ABC News: Airservices Terminal Control

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Airservices Terminal Control and ABC TV News

I believe ABC TV National News last night (Thursday 12 June) there was a segment in relation to Airservices moving the terminal control units at places like Sydney and Cairns to the enroute centres.

A pilot was interviewed who claimed that a crash near Lake George may not have happened if there had been local knowledge and local terminal controllers employed at Canberra.

Anyone know what the full story? Why are Airservices moving this or is it just to save a dollar?

[peuce]

I think you'll find that concerns about "local knowledge" went out the window long ago. Case in point...closure of Flight Service.

The issue now is...what do we legally have to provide and what is the cheapest way of doing it?

Not what we would probably like, but kosher just the same.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

And, of course, the 'savings' will be 'passed on'......

Really...???

:ugh:

[sunnySA]

From the desk of Anthony Albanese, shadow minister for Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism.
Abbott must reject air safety cuts
The Abbott Government must rule out a cost-cutting proposal by Airservices Australia that would see it close air traffic control operations in Sydney, Adelaide and Cairns.

The proposal to centralise national air-traffic control in Brisbane and Melbourne does not pass the common sense test and should be rejected immediately, as it has been in the past.

ABC radio has revealed that Airservices Australia proposes reducing costs by amalgamating terminal control units, which monitor airspace around airports.

Air-traffic control would be run out of Brisbane and Melbourne under the proposal.

Airservices Australia floated this cost-cutting proposal the last time Warren Truss was Transport Minister but it was rejected when Mark Vaile became minister in 2006.

Now that Warren Truss has returned as transport minister, this proposal is also back.

Mr Truss should reject it like his predecessors did.

Australia has an enviable record of air safety because governments of all political persuasions have always put safety first and regarded the issue as being above politics.

Air-traffic controllers do an important job bringing local knowledge to monitoring air safety.

On aviation safety, is it always better to be safe than sorry.

[Hempy]

All part of Dick's 90's grand plan. It's only taken so long because of the COST, DISRUPTION, and DIFFICULTY, but we'll get there one day :rolleyes:

[Horatio Leafblower]

So obviously, now the Libs are in power, Dick is back in favour?

I suppose he'll be back on the expanded board shortly? :ugh:

[The Banjo]

In the 80's Telstra ( or whatever it was called at the time) had a similar brainstorm; they were going to have one super telecommunications centre built in Newcastle that would have centralised most of Australia's communications in one spot.

THE NEWCASTLE EARTHQUAKE caused a rethink of that policy before implementation.

Fundamental infrastructure design MUST look beyond the upfront costings. We must have redundancy built into such systems to guard against war (one smart bomb would stuff the entire country for months) natural disasters inc. floods, bushfires, earthquakes, tsunami(ask the Japanese about that one....) disease epidemics, sabotage be it through cyber attack, terrorism or a lone nutter gaining access.

It is called, "having all of your eggs in one basket".

[004wercras]

I still remember when QF centralised load control and based it all in Sydney, where the controllers speak directly to the leading hands at the mainline ports around Australia. Worked well until there was a small fire in the ops room in Sydney which damaged the equipment. Virtually no QF planes could receive their weight and balance out of the Sydney office and some ports had planes stuck on the ground for 24 - 36 hours. Must have cost them an absolute mint....Yep, all eggs and just one basket. Tsk tsk.

C'mon Hoody, bad idea mate. Don't play the accountant, play the safety conscious person that we know you are.

P.S At least we know that the Gov'mints head accountant ATSBeaker would be getting a hard-on over such an idea :ok:

[Sunfish]

Im surprised all air traffic control hasn't been outsourced to India.

How many people is a lack of controller local knowledge going to kill? My guess is plenty. Still recall being in the VFR corridor heading for Kilmore and a very concerned controller helping to deal with the Five VFR aircraft like me coming the other way. I guess that becomes a thing of the past.

[500N]

Put out by Shadow minister Albanese and pushed by the ABC with another agenda, that of any story that embarrasses the Gov't is a good one.

Beware agenda of the ABC as from what I can see it wasn't covered in any detail (if at all) by the other media.

[Nautilus Blue]

How long was Albanese responsible for aviation? Does he not know where controllers presently are in relation to 'their' airspace? CB APP has been in ML centre for what, 18 years?

PS better not mention 'remote towers'.

[Paragraph377]

Beware agenda of the ABC as from what I can see it wasn't covered in any detail (if at all) by the other media.
Perhaps the fact that Fuhrer Abbott and Co have recently boned the ABC in its 'robust budget cuts' as payback for previous 'bad publicity' and reporting about the Liberal Nazi Regime has something to do with the news story??

[500N]

"efficiency dividend" of 1% of the total ABC budget and one that the ABC was excluded from for the last 10 - 15 years,
one of the few to be excluded. (Should have been 20% !)

[Flying Binghi]

...something to do with the news story??...

...more to do with the ABC. The ABC is both corrupt and incompetent.

I regularly post comments to ABC news or opinion pieces. Only about half of my posts are listed by the ABC. I'm a taxpayer and as an Australian, one of the owners of the ABC, so am fully entitled to have my polite say. And yet the ABC picks what it thinks is 'appropriate'

A recent example...

Via the Drum:
"In the past week both the US and China have revealed ambitious schemes to tackle climate change, putting Australia on the outer when it comes to taking action...

...a senior government adviser, Professor He Jiankun, stated at an academic workshop that China will take on an absolute cap on emissions.

It caused a whirlwind around the globe: China is ready to take on the same form of climate commitment as developed countries, converting its existing commitment to reduce the ratio of emissions to GDP..."


Here's my two attempt post with the Professor placing his comments in context...

"...“It’s not the case that the Chinese government has made any decision. I’m not a government official and I don’t represent the government.” – Professor Jiankun He..."

Via the worlds most read climate web site China Denies U-Turn On CO2 Emissions | Watts Up With That? (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/04/china-denies-u-turn-on-co2-emissions/)

No where in the 262 listed comments was it mentioned that the main gist of the drum article was false. The Drum article has not been edited to include the professors clarifying comment.

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[le Pingouin]

What do you expect? Watts Up With That is hardly a credible, reliable or balanced source of info. Just because something is popular doesn't make it authoritative. What's more, If it likes to feature Monckton that's a sure indication it's a load of rubbish.

[Ollie Onion]

NZ atc was all centralised to a big ATC unit built in the safest place they could think of.... Christchurch! End result was a big earthquake, an evacuation and a loss of ALL ATC nationwide for 20 minutes! Makes me think 'all your eggs in one basket' is a bad idea.

[Flying Binghi]

via 500N:
...the ABC with another agenda, that of any story that embarrasses the Gov't is a good one...

via le Pingouin:
What do you expect? Watts Up With That is hardly a credible, reliable or balanced source of info. Just because something is popular doesn't make it authoritative. What's more, If it likes to feature Monckton that's a sure indication it's a load of rubbish.

Perhaps le Pingouin can show where WUWT got it wrong ?..:hmm:
I suggest le Pingouin actually read the link and note the sources WUWT is using..:cool:

Taking note of 500N's comments here are the first three paragraphs of the ABC article that the ABC wouldn't allow to be corrected:

"In the past week both the US and China have revealed ambitious schemes to tackle climate change, putting Australia on the outer when it comes to taking action. This could make for awkward conversation when Tony Abbott meets Barack Obama this week, writes Frank Jotzo.

The Australian Government should like this. The world's superpowers look like they are getting it together on climate change.

US president Barack Obama has announced a program to cut carbon emissions from the US power sector and China is set to take on an absolute cap on emissions, with policies to make it happen..."

Australia left behind on climate action - The Drum (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-09/jotzo-australia-left-behind-on-climate-action/5509062)


Some more comments from Professor Jiankun He via WUWT:

"It’s not the case that the Chinese government has made any decision... ...I’m not a government official and I don’t represent the government."

China Denies U-Turn On CO2 Emissions | Watts Up With That? (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/04/china-denies-u-turn-on-co2-emissions/)


Why is it that an Australian taxpayer has to go to the poorly funded WUWT web site to get factual news when we have a billion dollar 'news' service right here in Oz - A news service with an agenda against the Australian peoples interest. Seems to me we dont need the corrupt and incompetent ABC..:hmm:












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[Jack Ranga]

Too many colours Binghi :ugh: especially for our colour blind bruthas.

[500N]

Jack

Like me, shockingly so :O

Hey, at least he didn't use Green ;)

[Flying Binghi]

via Jack Ranga:
Too many colours Binghi, especially for our colour blind bruthas.

JR, it been a fairly standard format for me for some time now. Red, blue or black for others comments and normally black for my comments..;)









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[Jack Ranga]

Sorry Binghi..............I've been 'away' for a while :cool:

[Flying Binghi]

via fpvdude:
Fb, you're getting all worked up because... because a news outlet won't accept "evidence" from wattsupwiththat? A website sponsored by the heartland institue. And then you act shocked and hurt.

:confused:

fpvdude, you clearly have not fully read my comments nor have you read the WUWT link..:hmm:

I have been commenting at the ABC for some years now and have quiet the litany of similar incidents. There's no "shocked and hurt" about it, its more a job of perseverance and plodding on to get rid of the corruption..:cool:

Now, from experience, and as 500N noted in this thread, when i see a thread title with ABC News in it there's a fairly good chance of identifying the sheer corruption and incompetence of the ABC..:hmm:











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[le Pingouin]

Binghi, you seriously think WUWT is a more credible news source than the ABC? Next thing you'll be claiming Bolt, Jones, et al are fair, balanced and not trolls. God help us. Enough thread drift.

[Flying Binghi]

via le Pingouin:
Binghi, you seriously think WUWT is a more credible news source than the ABC? Next thing you'll be claiming Bolt, Jones, et al are fair, balanced and not trolls. God help us. Enough thread drift.

Well le Pingouin, perhaps you can show us where WUWT got it wrong...
China Denies U-Turn On CO2 Emissions | Watts Up With That? (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/04/china-denies-u-turn-on-co2-emissions/)
...perhaps with your knowledge of WUWT you will be able to find something on the WUWT site that is wrong..:hmm:

As to thread drift. The thread title clearly puts ABC news as part of it. A poster has commented on the 'integrity' of ABC news. And in support I have posted that the ABC is not to be trusted and an example from personal experience of why it is not to be trusted.

le Pingouin, i note that thus far nobody has attempted to debunk my claims or the WUWT 'report', instead we get attempts at diversion..:hmm: ...as i say, the links there, please do show us where WUWT is wrong...:hmm:









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[500N]

I didn't just post my original post because of my views of the ABC.

I do read a fair few other newspapers and hadn't seen it in any of them
so before posting, I did a search on the key words and only found it on the ABC, plus the original from Albanese. Which confirmed that the ABC ran with it partly as it was Anti the current Gov't.