HAINAN ROSTERING AND MORE

[loco330]

Hey everyone!

Any A330 cpt based in CAN?
I am interested in rosters - what kind of flying you guys do out of there?
And what is the policy regarding OFF days etc...
Anyone with the family there? How does it look like for small kids (below 10 y.o.)? Any hospital where personnel speaks any English?
Any info will be appreciated.
Thanks!

loco330

[tcas69]

CAN? Hainan? please check your facts

[loco330]

PEK, CAN, XYI, SZX, HAK

The bases in China they are offering.
I checked my facts.
Maybe you should engage brain before fingers hit ENTER.
But hey, you probably know more that them....

[WYOMINGPILOT]

Hey Loco take a Chill pill Brah! Hainan has been advertising these positions for months but talk to the insiders. It is just a ploy, my friends there tell me PEK is the only 330 base actually being awarded. A few 320 guys have Haikou or Sanya as their base. The recruiters will try and bait you in offering multiple bases that don't exist. The 737 guys have been working for months trying to get Shenzhen as a base but it still hasn't materialized. Check with somebody there on the inside before making any decisions and don't base anything written on some website.

[loco330]

Thanks for the info A3twenty!
loco

[USMCProbe]

If I remember right local HNA pilots get double pay for international flights.

I worked for a different HN group airline, BCA, and for the most part they run them the same. Being "based" somewhere means nothing. They will just deadhead you out of your base, and then you layover 3-4 nights out of another airport where you stay in a horrific dump, in the middle of nowhere.

If you are going to be "based" somewhere, you want it to be where you operate out of, and you will want to do one day trips.

[Ethiopia]

Hainan Airlines to order 50 737 MAX 8s (http://aviationtribune.com/airlines/asia/item/1232-hainan-airlines-to-order-50-737-max-8s)

[dignified]

Has anyone gone for Chinese jobs were you pay your own ticket or have to pay last minute at the airport the tax portion of their own airline ticket to attend interviews? Would Hainan Airlines honor this expense whether or not you make it through the long process? How many trips do you have to make to China before you are being offered a job?

Pilot agencies recently complained not to apply for Hainan Airlines, as they never received the funds to reimburse candidates for their expenses on their first,second, third, and so many trips they made; Most recently I read on a French newspaper about pilots finally being hired after 14 months of waiting period. One would wonder if they ever needed foreign pilots or whether they are really interested to hire someone non Chinese? Do Chinese pilots speak English?

Most recently a Hainan airlines ad appeared on this forum, apparently an inside job from some A330 guru who works with an understaffed team who can barely keep track of the pilots they are recruiting. Rumors has it that the Nazis have created a new enclave in China, now that Chancellor Merkel seem to be flirting with the Chinese premier for more business opportunities. Has anything changed at Hainan Airlines recruitment compared to former pilot agencies doing the job?

Anyone from Hainan Airlines, preferably an independent unbiased foreign pilot who would like to comment on this? Are you people living in China with your families? Is there a chance to commute and make a living?, does Hainan honors your contract whether it is through agency of direct hire? Are you happy in China with all the stories about pollution and regimental practices?:eek:

[flyro]

Hi gents/gals,

I am planing to apply as dec on the A330 fleet with Hainan.I would appreciate any information regarding rosters,bases,net salary ................

Tks.

Regards.

Any interview help as well please.

[IZAD]

Avoid, avoid, avoid.

[emergencyexit]

Salary on the 330 is 12.500 us after being released (which can take up to one and a half year, YES, you are reading one and a half year).**This, of course, from the moment they call you to "report to fleet".**Before that and from the moment you applied you can stay over a year at home waiting for the "report to fleet call".**Bonus of 3.000 is paid every six month but at company's discretion, which means you are a kind of "hostage of the pending bonus" until the end of the six month period for 18.000...
I have to leave now and will come back later with more insider information.
Cheers!

[emergencyexit]

Rosters is issued 15 days by 15 days and announced one or two days before they apply.**They are of course subject to constant changes and the biggest issue is that you cannot plan on the days you'll be at home, especially if you commute.**Forget to meet appointments with your dentist, car repair etc. unless they take you last minute.**Your wife and kids are also better be prepared to adapt to a last minute style of living.**We witnessed the case of a colleague who missed the birth of his baby while the baby came exactly on time known for months.**This "missing" was caused by a bad mood scheduler who just enjoyed his power of playing/fooling with the poor pilot's most important things in life...

[flyro]

Thank you very much for the information so far.Just to clarify ,haianan is advertising one month ON,one month OFF,how does that work ?When they say "base" what do they mean,operating base?
About that "report to fleet",in that case we need to wait for an unknown period?

Thanks again,

Cheers.

[loco330]

Just got back from their process.
It was all a surprise party. Every day was badly organised and more and more expenses were not covered by Hainan. The recruitment team had no clue about the pilot specific questions. Everything was in the hands of Mrs. Angela. Useless. And she has the authorisation to nothing. She can not even authorise a taxi transportation if 5 more people in different offices don't countersign. But she is in charge. Expect zero help when it comes to important matters.
After a week of non organisation I decided to quit the idea and went back home. I never got anything reimbursed.
A330 bases are Beijing and Shenzen (if you don't have kids).
Living in PEK is expensive. Descent townhouse will cost 4-5k$ a month, 3 bedroom appartment 2,5-3k$.
Hainan has a contract with one school corporation only. So kids go there otherwise they don't contribute. I have 2 kids (5&7 y.o.), the top up from my pocket is 30-35k$ per year all together. The exact number is "classified" information. They did not pass it to us.
Mostly flying domestic, 1 flight a month international.
The max money comes to 251k$, rest is only possible school and medical allowance that never gets paid to you.
All this is for residents after tax.
Medical you top up 1.8k$ for adults and .9k$ for kids per year.
From what I have seen it is something I do not recommend for family guys that have some years to work....
It is a good money bag if you are there alone and it is a job that will provide you with a cherry on top of your already existing pension cake. You must be ready to say:' F...this I am going home!" after 2 months if you don't like it. And not flick once.
It is up to everyone to make up their own minds.
My info is less than a month old.
Cheers!

loco330

[alienpilot2014]

I'm planning to quit Taca Airlines and apply to BCA @ Hainan Base for PIC A320, have two kids and need your experienced advice.
Regards

[dignified]

Es preferibile seguir comiendo arroz chiclayano que ir a la china a comer arroz chino sin saber que ponen adentro. Los colegios pésimos y por las nubes, vivir en China con familia? Suicidio, no cometas ese error, no creas que ganaras lo que proponen, es todo una grande mentira, un engaño, una decepción.
No se cuales sean las condiciones en Latino América estos días, pero no cambiaría todo ese mundo de tranquilidad y calma por dinero sujeto a miles de condiciones. Además, el sistema de reclutamiento es una larga tarea, mínimo tres viajes a la China y después una larga espera para que de pronto te digan, no gracias, y sin haberte pagado el dinero que gastaste en tiquetes, etc.
No importa que compañía en China te busque, son todas la misma historia y las agencias que reclutan una muy falsa pretensión, cuidado, mas vale mantener la calma así sea ganando poco que aventurar en un mundo de incertidumbre.
Anda, aplica, ya veras como todo lo que he escrito aplica, y espero no sea muy tarde para regresar a casa, donde te estiman, hablan tu lengua y tienes una cultura Inca tan grande como aquella que descubrió la Papa.:yuk:

[emergencyexit]

I believe that regarding the number of aircraft Hainan is contemplating in the coming months they will upgrade conditions at offer. Nevertheless, they are totally incapable of changing the attitude towards foreign pilots who are disconsidered with subtle hatred and psychological harassment. If one thinks he can take that versus the money, he must feel free to try the game.

[IZAD]

For the folks of this part of the world, I may see it as natural reaction, specially when they are inspired by morons under the name DGM & Trusted Advisor; If this is what a westerner can contribute into a society with such mentality of let's save the company money under the pretense of let me show you how?;then case closed. In average, the last foreigners hired here since year 2013 have spent over 12-14 months on recruitment, another 9-12 months on line training, when in essence we were told during induction, that we would be 3 months tops under training before being released on the line. These above are facts, not rants at least from the right seat perspective on the narrow bodies; There is no shortage of pilots here, they told all of us they need us ALL urgently here, when in essence they do not have sufficient staff to man even refunds for expenses invited applicants spent in coming this far.:sad: a pathetic outfit:yuk:

[hugeduck]

This year may not be a good timing to apply to HNA. They are undergoing some personal changes and policy changes. Current pilots working there do not like the new contracts they are presenting and the new recruiting manager. Hold your application and wait till things are clear.

[hugeduck]

" BCA @ Hainan Base for PIC A320"
BCA hires A320 captains.
Hainan Air stopped their A320 CCQ program.
Choose big city to stay if you want to bring the family.

[six7driver]

Anybody on the 787 expat contract with a basing in SEA with any real world info on the job at HNA that can share info as to real world vs contract conditions offered? PM only please.

[USMCProbe]

Hainan had a very bad rep for excessive line training as of 2 years ago. A couple 73 guys I know were in training for over a year and both came current with >10k PIC on the 73.
I also heard from a recruiter(the owner of the agency) that the 330 ccq and a very high failure rate. Like, all of them.

I think BCA and Tianjin were both better places to work.

My personal knowledge is 2 years old.

[PT6Driver]

They have an advert here on pprune, however following the link leads to a rather sparse and confusing site.
Can anyone tell me what is actually being offered for dec on 737. Would only be interested in comuting style contract.
Ie salary, bonus , work schedule, accommodation etc.
Noted posts by 330 applicants

[CMD-A]

Came back from the first half of screening recently, so maybe guys who are actually there can provide more first hand experience.
As far as my first impression goes: very amature recruiting department. If they are not trying to impress aplicants, I can only imagine how they treat people who already signed.
Anyways, money is pretty much as advertised, no commuting, they only want local, sched is 4 on 2 off ( days it is) or so, living conditions/expenses depending on base you chose.
Overall very unprofessional though.
If someone offers big bucks, there is a good reason for it.

[IZAD]

Before you even consider coming to China for the first time, here are few facts, not rants about this HNA-Overseas, a wolf in sheep skin:

1. You will never see your paid travel and/or documentation money reimbursed. You have to make at least two to three trips to China to start class, and when I say China, they toss you around different cities making you pay the tax portion of your ticket, to be reimbursed.

2. HNA-Overseas is a scam operation. The whole team was created to shaft Pilot Agencies for paying salaries to pilots sitting home awaiting the long process of recruitment. If you thought the Greeks invented burocracy, check again what Marco Polo left behind in this land and it only smells bad to say the least.

3. What they tell you in the initial interview is lies and deception. There is no $348000.oo income after tax per year, not even half of it, they are adding old values of cost accommodation, medical insurance, and other perks from which you actually contribute a portion for your family.

4. Training is non existent. The LIP(line instructor pilots) are a bunch of nomads who treat you worse than a new recruit, you are considered a First Officer even if you joined with over 5000 hors PIC on time.

5. English levels, not even Level one. Most of senior instructors need interpreter and CAAC SIM checkride is a show were you only wonder why you came here on the first place; This language problem applies on your daily routine even in the larger cities in China, PEK,SHA,CAN does not matter, you live and breath a polluted environment in darkness.

6. Chinese never look at you in your eye; They are also misguided by unexperienced project managers who are not there to help you but to make money out of pilots during recruitment by not refunding your claims.

7. Google is not available here, so you need other slow motion websites that without help you cannot read as they are all in Chinese and subject to hackers and predators to steal your identity.

8. Money is the only reason you are looking at this gig, well think again, you will have to go through several hurdles to get half of what they advertised for. Foreign pilots spend over six, nine, and 12 months, during line training; There are few experienced checkers, but not a single instructor, they have no idea of recruiting experienced pilots.

9. I wish I can continue, but they just called me for a flight, by the way you have no rosters, at the end of your day off, they inform you last minute of your pattern for the next five to six days, you are at the mercy of clercks here, there is no Operatonal Control Centre; Burger King or McD is runned better that this outfit.

I recommend highly another post at PPrune called, IF YOU LIKE..., it is crystal clear about what you are about to face if you persist coming this far. I am already putting job applications elsewhere. I made a mistake coming here.:confused:

Do not buy any promises from HNA-Overseas, they betrayed even their own pilot agencies to recruit the Chinese way, cheap and ordinary methods, this place stinks!:yuk::yuk:

[On Final]

Hello All,


I am looking at Hainan to fly their A330 and looking for good data from anyone who is currently working there. I have read the posts here duly noted, thanks.


But I am still trying to conform the data from anyone, especially those working at Hainan Air. If you have worked there in the past 6 months is good too.


I have been reading for years about Hainan Air and understand lately they have changed their recruiting department and process.


Feel free to PM me as well..!


Thanks much..!


Happy Trails.


On Final

[Chinos]

Hi all,

I se a lot of 'pprune style" bitching here, and,as usual, very little facts.

Could anyone, employed as PIC in 2014-2015 on A330 give his real feedback on how things are for A330 Captains and their rosters, please?

Anyone doing 1 month ON, 1 month OFF?

Anyone bases in Europe?

Any credible feedback on training period until release?

What about the new recruitment team and what's the reason behind the "HNA Direct" broker-less options? Is is better to go through a broker?

Thanks for any factual feedback. PM welcome, too.
Happy flying :cool:

[tcas69]

I left Hainan June 2012 and some of my friends are still there.
We were on A340 and one of my friend's conversion to A330 took 12 months.
As he is rather used to the way Hainan works and knows their limitations this did not faze him at all, he rather expected it. So he did his 8 months linetraining, sometimes flying righthand seat when the planned instructor was otherwise disposed, just being flexible as usual.
I think you can only survive if you come with an open mind and are willing to try at least different ways of thinking. I always thought that logic is universal but .....
The good thing: salary was never a problem and on time.
nice, funny people on the flightdeck and in the back(the . . moronpercentage is the same as in every other company)
But not for the fainthearted or with family!!!
BTW: he is still on a 70% parttimecontract with guaranteed 14 days off in Europe, traveldays not counted)

[de facto]

Dignified,back in his cave.:p
IZAD,there are a few ex Turkish airlines fos who youd fit perfectly with..damn me i forgot their names...
Oh yes,one is Pork flyer...have fun!

[IZAD]

Indeed Dignified is missed, he won the Nobel price in pprune for best posts ever, he has something de facto users lack of, big B@lls. Check loco330 or emergency exit, they also post fresh and up to date facts about the fantasy job of ¥348 per year. You are better of with posting threads on this forum on behalf of pprune admin, I like the one in Aussie land, good thought.:eek:

[On Final]

Hello, I am looking for information from anyone who has had a Sim Check on the A330 in the last 2 months or so. I wanted and idea of Sim profiles if you have the data.


If not any other information would be appreciated.


Best,


On Final

[dc8dude]

Come on Herb, you know you will never leave Chengdu!! :O

[USMCProbe]

On Final

Let me think.

Single engine.
Direct Law.
Dual FMGC failure.
Overweight, in Kunming.
NDB DME RWY 03 Circle to land 21. (can't remember RWYs in Kunming)
Incapacitated FO. (This might make things a bit easier)

Are any Chinese sims different than this?

[On Final]

Yes, your right, standard for China..haha

[Chiquitete]

You missed BA medium to poor only broadcasted in chinese language:ugh: