Falcon 7X at Cannes !

[Lima Oscar]

Hi guys,

I saw a Falcon 7X (G-IONA) at LFMD.

I haven't seen any change with the operationnal requirements, still limited to aircrafts of 22T MTOW.

Was it an emergency landing ? Any info ?

Thanks :ok:

[Booglebox]

I guess you mean G-IONX?

[DefDefect]

At the risk of sounding like a pedant, I've always wondered how the 900ex and 900easy chaps got in. The limit equates to approximately 48500lbs (depending how many decimal places you use for the conversion) which easily lets in the 900b and c but the later ones (ex etc) are 500 lb over.

OK, OK. I am being a pedant.

[FlyMD]

Guys, the limit is not on the "structural" max landing weight, but on the max landing weight as certified. Now guess what happens when you certify a mod that lets you placard a lower-than-structural landing weight by means of a piece of cardboard place on the instrument panel.. voila!

[CL300]

No you are not; these operators are illegal as per se in Cannes, like the Legacy operators on the 650 happily coming in at 24+ tons

As the DGAC is concerned they only see the ICAO code of the plane which is conveniently the same for all 900 or Legacy...

For the F7X, i just dropped a line to Ops...Answer : they can come , but we do not know how or else...You have to comply with a SB....none spotted on the Dassault Portal...
one can call Ops ( sorry handling) in CEQ : +33 4 9390 4110

For FlyMd , the limit was on Max certified mass... I do see nowhere an amended "arrete" http://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/jopdf/common/jo_pdf.jsp?numJO=0&dateJO=19951208&pageDebut=17904&pageFin=19951208&pageCourante=17905

[Lima Oscar]

Yep sorry, i was meaning G-IONX.

It seems to be the first time a FA7X lands at LFMD.
Cannes is certified MTOW limited ;)

[CL300]

The first CIVILIAN F7X....:ok:

[Lima Oscar]

Yep, ETEC (french air force) FA7X have been there a few times :ok:

[Dash 7 Rider]

FSBA-F7X-292-R1 limits the take-off weight to 48,500 lbs specifically for Cannes

[CL300]

it does not appear on my dassault portal, do you have a link or a copy of it ?

oups found it ...

GENERAL
MAXIMUM TAKE-OFF WEIGHT
48,500 LB OPERATION LIMIT INDICATION FOR CANNES-MANDELIEU AIRPORT
1. PLANNING INFORMATION
A. EFFECTIVITY
This Service Bulletin is applicable to FALCON 7X aircraft with serial numbers 2 through 67, 69 through 85, 87 and subsequent which have not previously implemented DASSAULT AVIATION modification FALCON 7X M1355.
B. REASON
The purpose of this Service Bulletin is to give the aircraft the capability to be operated at Cannes- Mandelieu airport (LFMD) with a MTOW of 48,500 lb in accordance with the requirements from this airport.
It is done with the use of a reversible label installed on the instrument panel, allowing to display only when required a MTOW of 48,500 lb instead of 70,000 lb.
• If the visible side of the label shows the MTOW limitation of 48,500 lb, operations at Cannes- Mandelieu airport are allowed under the conditions described in ANNEX 7 of the Airplane Flight Manual revision 18.
• If the visible side of the label shows no MTOW limitation, operations with the Type Certificate MTOW of 70,000 lb (31,752 kg) become again applicable.
C. DESCRIPTION
This Service Bulletin is divided into three sections:
• Section 7X-292-1: The operation consists in installing the placard holder on the instrument
panel.
• Section 7X-292-2: The operation consists in installing the placard for operations with a maximum
take-off weight at 48,500 lb (22 000 kg).
• Section 7X-292-3: The operation consists in installing the placard for operations with a maximum
take-off weight at 70,000 lb (31 752 kg).
The purpose of this Service Bulletin is to allow the aircraft to switch between two operational configurations. Therefore, sections 7X-292-2 and 7X-292-3 can be signed off as often as needed.
D. COMPLIANCE
If you choose to comply with this Service Bulletin, accomplishment should be performed at the first opportunity.
E. APPROVAL
This Service Bulletin covers DASSAULT AVIATION modification FALCON 7X M1355 which has been approved by EASA.
The technical content of this document is approved under the authority of DOA nr. EASA.21J.051.

[Sop_Monkey]

I would have thought the restriction would be the max landing weight, especially public transport.

The LR60 was too heavy to be landed a there for our company yet another company used LFMD for their LR 60's.

[CL300]

It is not a question of runway performance for operation. In 1995 when the runway was lengthened from 1200m to the actual specs, the maximum weight of airplane MTOM was increased from 13 tons to 22 tons, since then it have been a fight with the neighborhood about the increased noise, etc...
The "strict" 22 tons limitation prevents ANY aircraft with a certified MTOM greater than 22 tons to operate in Cannes ( even if they can take off and land in one hundred meters). Leaving Falcon 900 EX / LX in a kind of no/no but yes you can situation and banishing F7X or anyone above 22 tons. Embraer's had a permanent SB getting the weight below 22 tons; now Dassault has flipping card limitation....Leaving the MTOM ( not the landing ;-)) at 48500Lbs instead of 70000Lbs..
I shall wait the explanation to the greens !!!!

[FlyMD]

Oh yeah, TOW not LDW )) Shame, but I can still go quite far in a 7x with 11'000lbs of block fuel. Now if they could just magically make more parking spaces in lFMD....

[CL300]

In fact you can do much better, since the SB is labelled MTOM, you can land with 50500; drop 10 pax and leave with 48500...preventing undue refueling at premium price. In truth this is VERY high flexibility.
The only friendly advice will be to set the park brake sealed ON, in order to prevent the "highly trained" people to move your plane around, I think that is the airport with the most claims for wingtips/tails/airframe damage in the western world :suspect:...