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MagnusP
5th Jun 2014, 15:08
Oh, dear.

BBC News - Gary Glitter charged with sex offences (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27720875)

Fareastdriver
5th Jun 2014, 15:17
I know he was banged up in Cambodia or Viet Nam. Also he sent his computer off for repair before that and the technician found a load of stuff on the hard drive. I surprised they didn't nail him then

IB4138
5th Jun 2014, 15:22
Just when you thought it was safe to get your platform shoes and hipsters out of storage, to see if you can still walk in item one and if item two still fit you.:rolleyes:

Fox3WheresMyBanana
5th Jun 2014, 15:22
Let's be Christian about this, and do unto him what he has done unto others.

RJM
5th Jun 2014, 15:35
You first! :uhoh:

Fox3WheresMyBanana
5th Jun 2014, 15:58
I was hoping we could get some lifers to do it

Forgive my grammar, should have read "have done unto him what he has done unto others"

charliegolf
5th Jun 2014, 16:40
that which?

CG:ok:

PS Foxy: I watched the USA-Canada Womens' Olympic semi at Old Trafford. Smashing game, great atmosphere. We were sat by very noisy (good natured) Americans, so just had to yell loudly for Canada. They lost, but played really well. Did they win the bronze? CG

Fox3WheresMyBanana
5th Jun 2014, 17:56
You are, of course, correct about "that which".

Yes, Canada got the Bronze, and in gratitude for your cheering you will be pleased to hear we beat the French to get it.:E

The manner of the semi-final loss was grating to say the least, and you would be hard-pushed to call any Friendly "friendly" for a while.

ShyTorque
5th Jun 2014, 17:57
Q: Which girls team did Gary Glitter play for?
A: All of them..

Saintsman
5th Jun 2014, 19:30
How does this work?

I think that he's already been inside for something similar. Whilst those were specific charges, he would have most certainly been doing the same with others in the same time period.

Whilst he certainly deserves prison time, if he is found guilty of the latest charges and gets a couple of years, when he comes out he gets accused of some more offences. Then two more years inside and repeat.

Or does he admit to numerous offences, gets say four years and be done?

How is justice best served?

Bob Viking
5th Jun 2014, 19:35
Castration. Or death. Or maybe both. Hmm, but which first?!
BV:E

goudie
5th Jun 2014, 19:47
Castration. Or death. Or maybe both. Hmm, but which first?!
BV:E
Place him in a wooden shed, stick his dick in a vice and clamp it locked, give him a knife and then set fire to the shed.....choice, choices!

vulcanised
5th Jun 2014, 20:46
I don't like GG or his 'music' but I do feel there was more than a modicum of stitch up in his previous conviction, and that will weigh against him now.

chevvron
5th Jun 2014, 21:12
Some years ago, Mrs C did a short poetry 'slot' relating to football on the evening sports programme on BBC 94.9.
One week she mentioned 'Garry Glitter' and 'paedophile' in the same verse. The following week on the day she normally broadcast, the BBC phoned her up and told her they'd re-scheduled things and her services were no longer required.

Mac the Knife
5th Jun 2014, 21:18
He may well have done it, but how it can ever be possible to establish the veracity of alleged events that happened over 30 years ago rather defeats me.

Mac

:hmm:

gingernut
5th Jun 2014, 23:54
30 years is a long time, was it beyond reasonable doubt ? If not, then I suspect no case to answer.

Was it ?

bcgallacher
6th Jun 2014, 08:48
I think that police resources would be better spent in making sure that similar crimes are not taking place now rather than prosecuting elderly men for events that took place 30 or 40 years ago. Why there were no investigations at the time is puzzling - how can a fair trial be held now based on decades old memories of events without supporting evidence I do not know.

Capetonian
6th Jun 2014, 08:53
I don't like GG or his 'music' but I do feel there was more than a modicum of stitch up in his previous conviction, and that will weigh against him now. I thought the same. He was made an example of for doing the same as hundreds of thousands of men do every year, taking advantage of young girls who were offered to him by family. It doesn't diminish his crime but it does make the punishment seem unfair when others of lesser 'notoriety' get away with it.

The police would be more useful dealing with people who are an ongoing and serious danger to society rather than dirty old men who aren't.

Lancair70
6th Jun 2014, 09:57
I think that police resources would be better spent in making sure that similar crimes are not taking place now rather than prosecuting elderly men for events that took place 30 or 40 years ago. Why there were no investigations at the time is puzzling - how can a fair trial be held now based on decades old memories of events without supporting evidence I do not know.

I also think it ridiculous that there's no statute of limitation on this thing. Seriously, I understand that what the person is 'accused' of doing is an horrific crime and needs to be punished, but after 30-40 yrs, stories can get so overblown, like chinese whispers, the longer it goes on the further it is from the truth. I'm not sure what the answer is but jailing old men who are no longer any threat on decades old stories seems absurd.

Worrals in the wilds
6th Jun 2014, 10:19
I hear what you're saying, but does that apply to all criminal accusations? What about unsolved murders from the 1980s where DNA evidence can now shed light on events? What about death bed confessions? How about when some innocent person digs up their garden to put in a pool and finds a skeleton? Do we shrug our shoulders and say that whatever happened, happened too long ago to worry about it? No, we don't.

Worldwide, many old murder cases have been re-opened due to better investigative techniques. Many people who thought they'd gotten away with terrible crimes have recently been brought to justice. Others have been found innocent by modern technology after being found guilty by a court, though sometimes it was too late :sad:.

Like many people I get dubious about ancient sexual assault accusations. Like many people I wonder why those people didn't come forward at the time and wonder whether time has affected their memory. However, as with murders there are many legitimate reasons why those accusers did not come forward earlier. There are also liars and exaggerators, which is why we have a court process to establish whether the accusations are legitimate or untrue.

To introduce a statute of limitation would be to imply that a person can commit a crime and get away with it provided that a certain amount of time has passed, and I don't think that's a good idea.

Metro man
6th Jun 2014, 10:23
How long was it from the end of WW2 that prosecutions for war crimes committed during 1939/45 stopped ?

probes
7th Jun 2014, 06:48
Like many people I get dubious about ancient sexual assault accusations. Like many people I wonder why those people didn't come forward at the time and wonder whether time has affected their memory.

Why didn't they? Mostly because they were told or thought no-one would believe them. And who does one 'come forward' to? Your Mom? Who'd say - are you mad, he's such a celebrity? Where's your proof?
But, if there are others who say so, one might have second thoughts. Being older, too, and more able to stand the ordeal. Maybe.
Real 'storytellers' excluded, of course.

To introduce a statute of limitation would be to imply that a person can commit a crime and get away with it provided that a certain amount of time has passed, and I don't think that's a good idea.
That one I'd totally agree with.

crewmeal
7th Jun 2014, 07:44
For those who wish he wasn't around this was a good movie from Channel 4....

Execution Of Gary Glitter - YouTube

Standard Noise
7th Jun 2014, 07:49
"Hello and welcome to this weeks episode of Celebrity Noncegate! Tonight we have a returning contestant Gary Glitter and we all know what that means....."
(Crowd) "Up the Sh*tter!"
"And what does he get for two in a bed? That's right, to share a cell in the Scrubs with Big Vern and play Vern's favourite game....."
(Crowd) "Up the sh*tter!"
"Gary hasn't had much success since his last appearance on the show so he's decided to take on public opinion one more time so tonight we have brought in the big guns, give a big warm welcome to his opponent, Mr CPS!"

Fareastdriver
7th Jun 2014, 13:43
I can remember at least two occasions where I was encouraged to jump into bed with a underage girl.

By their mothers.

Just as well I turned the offers down.

vulcanised
7th Jun 2014, 15:16
I think there's a huge divide between the likes of Savile and Cyril Smith who went looking for their victims and the likes of Harris and Hall where the victims sought them out.

chevvron
8th Jun 2014, 02:43
With Harris at least, it seems some of the 'sexual assaults' are no more than a playful pat on the bum; now we all do that don't we? Well I used to but maybe I'd better not any more.

419
8th Jun 2014, 03:46
I hear what you're saying, but does that apply to all criminal accusations? What about unsolved murders from the 1980s where DNA evidence can now shed light on events? What about death bed confessions? How about when some innocent person digs up their garden to put in a pool and finds a skeleton? Do we shrug our shoulders and say that whatever happened, happened too long ago to worry about it? No, we don't.

With cases involving bodies being found or DNA coming to light, there is at least some form of physical evidence.
Many of the cases involving celebs took place decades ago and there may not be any physical or corroborating evidence, simply the word of one person making claims against another person.

I don't doubt that most of the claims are genuine, but I wouldn't be surprised if some people have simply jumped on the bandwagon in the hope of getting a pay out from the BBC/government.

mikedreamer787
8th Jun 2014, 08:56
Mr Gadd blew it in Viet Nam when
child porn was found on his puter
after he sent it in for repair.

Total bloody idiot - he had a great
pad and setup in picturesque Vung
Tau then went and shot himself in
the foot. He should be jailed first
for being a d!ckhead then thrown
back in for life for the charges.

fitliker
8th Jun 2014, 14:29
If he had of stayed within his top of the pops circle of friends and kept his deviances in the UK ,he probably would never have been caught and he probably would have been offered the same protection that Saville enjoyed from friends in high places. He probably would have been given an OBE or even knighted for services ,from those perverts and child molesters who hide in plain sight in the UK.
Time to bring back the pillory in the village square and burn some witches :)

G-CPTN
11th Nov 2014, 11:36
BBC News - Gary Glitter denies 10 sex charges (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30002924)

dazdaz1
11th Nov 2014, 15:53
His past convictions, he deserved the all the prison time he got. There again these new alleged charges, innocent until proved guilty is the law of the land lets not forget that. Pontification of the new charges (UK posters) be very aware what you post.