EK 747-8

[go46ball]

Not sure this will ever happen but I've been proven wrong before!

Boeing Peddles 747-8 to Emirates as Alternative to Airbus A380 - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-01/boeing-peddles-747-8-to-emirates-as-alternative-to-airbus-a380.html?cmpid=yhoohttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-01/boeing-peddles-747-8-to-emirates-as-alternative-to-airbus-a380.html?cmpid=yhoo)

[puff m'call]

I wish:):):)

[Snake man]

I'm with you on that one, Puff.

[littlejet]

yeah, dual rated for the same salary...

[heavy.airbourne]

The dripstone cave in the desert - funny!

[glofish]

Jeez! The dugong guzzling too much fuel? What a surprise, didn't see that one coming, after all the rhetoric from Timmy and other fans.

Well, put under its wing whatever donkey you want, there will still be two too many, as with the struts, and it will remain overweight by design.
But replacing a four-legged dinosaur with another one?
Same, same, but different ......

As long as a new design performs only equally to one that has 15+ years, you will keep on begging for less guzzling donkeys.
Imagine the 350 or 77X performing only about equally to the 333 or 77W, the foul mouthing they would get!

The 380 can perform well, yes, but i guess it needs the subsidised price from the EU citicens to achieve that.
Is Boeing able and prepared to match that?

[donpizmeov]

The dugong is ****e. You will never see it take any of the 777 flying, and it will never do the west coast as it hasn't got the legs.


The don

[thehonourablefong]

glofish

They're all at it, buddy. I'm a bit surprised that anyone has to break this to you:

Boeing: Biggest state subsidy in U.S. history - Strange Bedfellows ? Politics News (http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepolitics/2013/11/11/boeing-biggest-state-subsidy-in-u-s-history/)

You have no idea of how much the 380 makes on a trip, in fact you have no idea of how much the 777 (which has 40 fewer premium seats on it) that you fly makes per trip. What is your opinion based on? Simply that the 380 is big and has 4 engines? Seems a bit thin...

My part, regarding the article that started this thread:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/iata-emirates-dismisses-boeings-747-8i-overtures-399923/

Seems like only a 380-sized aeroplane makes sense with 4 engines...can't imagine the 748 can make much difference versus the 773-ER

[glofish]

i know, i know, you guys had convinced me earlier, the dugong is way better than the T7 .........

But why is Timmy shouting for better performance then?
Why is the performance of a new, fantastic design only "comparable" to a almost 15 year old one, when it should blow it out of the air by a minimum of 20%?
How can it be cheaper on purchase than the smaller, older one if not subsidised?
Why are at any time more or less 10% of the fleet over at maintenance, as for the older one you will rarely see 5%?
Why is the competition not running down Airbus' doors for dugongs, if it is that much better?

I hear all the good things, but these answers are looming, and now this article.

And finally: Let a poor John Deere driver gloat a bit! After all we are losing some nice flights to it, now even Mumbai and Delhi. ;)

[thehonourablefong]

I love your edit glofish!

Not sure the 380 is better than the 777 or vice-versa, think they might each have their niches though...

I love this bit though:

“The new engines they’re pressing Airbus to put on their plane, we’ve already got four of them,” Wojick said

Not sure if that might be oversimplifying the matter! 748 has something like a 12T defecit in payload capacity...

[Payscale]

Listen all you bean counter wannabees.
Tim buys and airplane. Sends you an email to learn to fly it. You do your best not to scratch it and spend as much time with your family as possible. Who cares what it looks like or if it flies on cooking oil or not. End of story.

All this crab about donkeys:ugh: and dugong:rolleyes: is just as tiring to read as the OM/D

Good night Gents

[Al Murdoch]

What he said ^^

[The Outlaw]

Yep...its gotten old, stale, boring and stupid to read....kind of like the Ford vs. GM fight the "good ol" rednecks have in the states, when watching Nascar in the trailer park with a 6 pack of Bud...while the wife is shopping at Wal Mart.

"Yee Haw"...

[glofish]

..... then don't read it gentlemen!

I like reading such articles and writing about it and i like winding up dugong drivers!

If you however dislike reading it that much, just don't do it.
But don't read it, write back and then make condescending remarks about people who read it and write about it!

Simple.

[Stall Inducer]

No 747-8s for EK according to TC. See the end of this article :-
June 2, 2014

Emirates said on Monday it hoped to achieve progress soon on its call to upgrade the Airbus A380 with new engines.

Emirates has expressed interest in applying the lessons of other Airbus re-engining projects - the 'neo' or new engine option - to the four-engined superjumbo.

"There is a distinct possibility that if the neo is built it will give a 10-12 percent performance improvement, so it is definitely worth having and we are hoping to move on that pretty soon," chief executive Tim Clark told reporters.

Such a project would involve an upgraded engine from Rolls-Royce, as well as some weight reduction and better aerodynamics on the aircraft, he said on the sidelines of the IATA airline industry meeting in Doha.

Engine Alliance, a joint venture between General Electric and Pratt & Whitney supplies the engines for the A380s operated by Emirates but is not expected to take part in any engine upgrade as its shareholders focus on other projects.

Emirates increased its order for A380s in November, adding 50 aircraft to bring the total on order to 140. The first 25 are due to be delivered in 2016 and 2017, Clark said.

The second batch will be delivered after 2020 and could be fitted with upgraded Rolls-Royce engines, if that project goes ahead, he added. Emirates will however take delivery even if there is no decision to upgrade the double-decker jet.

"If they don’t produce it we will take it under the old version. There is nothing out there that resembles what the A380 can do."

Emirates is not interested in Boeing's 467-seat 747-8, Clark said, despite a report of talks between Boeing and the airline.

(Reuters)

[Payscale]

End of story Dungaree Dude:(

[vfenext]

glofish criticising people for being condescending, that's funny right there!

[Al Murdoch]

It's bad enough having to listen to infantile drivel on the flight deck, without it being here as well.

[cerbus]

So why do you tools troll through pprune?
You know what this website is about.

[Al Murdoch]

Because there is the occasional nugget of useful information.
But you're right, I often ask myself the same question.

[The Outlaw]

Glo,

That whole T7 vs 380 is old...really REALLY old... no one cares with the exception of the Jerry Springer crowd and pre teen school girls...lets move on and act like 18 year olds now.....deal?

Since I became a "mature" 19 year old I realized that it doesn't matter what you fly as long as it pays ME....I could give a **** about how much it makes for the company or not... I haven't seen the figures or am I privy to other influences. For anyone to think they are that enlightened and are still actually "flying" the aircraft only goes to show that they failed...probably as managers...and that is saying something..not all good either....there is a little more to it than your casio calculator and 30 seconds worth of calculations.

Leave it up to Tim....its his job...if he has failed then email him and tell him so...then copy his response to you here so that the peasants become enlightened.

As for winding up "dugong drivers" (BTW one of the dumbest names I've ever heard)...if this is what you really live for then....well...what I say! Good for you...little camper!

Knitting would be step up from this...

[vfenext]

Maybe this will silence the little campers. From latest Flight International and also quoted in todays "National" from an article about the IATA meeting going on in Doha.
The Dubai carrier’s president Tim Clark says he is not in talks about an order for Boeing’s largest aircraft

[Callsign Kilo]

It does look like a dugong though. Some thought has been put into this!

[Al Murdoch]

Jerry Springer crowd
I like it - spot on.

[The Outlaw]

I COULD give a **** means I don't care...mainly because I don't care much for **** in the same manner as I don't care how much it makes for the company.

In Other words...****=bad. Not giving **** can be a sign of respect given the subject at hand.

Whereas:

If you give a ****, you then you have indicated your position or stance on the matter at hand, especially if your "token opinion" remains in evidence.

Its English...difficult to grasp I know. Hope this clears it up.

[JammedStab]

So what's better....777 or A380?

[HarryDunne]

This English really is difficult to grasp eh Outlaw.

If one doesn't give a **** it means one doesn't care. In fact, one doesn't care so much that not even a **** shall be given.

Hope this helps

Harold

[glofish]

I get the drift:

As the debate 380 vs. T7 apparently is soooo old, please note that I did not mention that contest in my contribution: Others took it up. I merely made fun of the fact that Timmy asks for better 380 performance. I had to realise that this comes close to blasphemy!

Lesson No1: Never question the dugongs performance here.

As making fun of or winding up seems to be ok on the Caravan ME forum (I think it’s funny myself), it seems to be childish when dugongs or their drivers are involved.

Lesson No2: Never wind up anyone involved with a dugong, there is no sense of humour involved there.

As critcising management about anything concerning T&C issues seems not only politically absolutely correct and accepted (they are apparently completely incompetent and ignorant in such matters), the faith in our big Manitou is unrattled when it boils down to the dugong. He seems to know exactly what he does there and any doubt raised is either out of line, not in the competence of the party raising it or childish.

Lesson No3: EK management is only to be criticised if no dugong involved.

As waist of money, like sponsorships around the world, seem to influence our T&C’s and is therefore correctly prone to our ire, this does not seem to apply to doubts about performance of one of our most important tools.

Lesson No4: Right or wrong about that is irrelevant, such issues are no longer to be raised!

As some contributors perceive my sarcasm about the dugong as out of line and childish, although it is about a professional issue in context with the thread, they perceive it as absolutely professional and correct to debate endlessly about a “do” or “don’t” before a “care” preceding a “****”.

Lesson No5: Grammar is more important than anything else. Even when causing a thread drift.

[Curiouslibra]

although it is about a professional issue in context with the thread, they perceive it as absolutely professional and correct to debate endlessly about a “do” or “don’t” before a “care” preceding a “****”.
I don't care who you are, that's funny **** right there!:}

[Capn Rex Havoc]

Glofish- It is WASTE not Waist. :E

[glofish]

:eek::uhoh::ooh:

Didn't pick that one up, nor did my spelling check programme ..... what a shame!

:8

[The Outlaw]

Glo...

Nice one!

That is what some may refer to "IRONY".

The enlightened might actually make the connection between the importance about giving (or not giving as the case may be) a ****...and the validity of comparing the T7 and the 380 ( or dugong ) as Springer crowd prefer.

Timmy asks for better 380 performance. I had to realise that this comes close to blasphemy!

Not really....wouldn't you want the best efficiency out of your SUV/PRIAS/GOLF CART that you could get?

Funny...I refer to a A380 as a 380. I also refer to a 777 as a 777, an A320 is a 320 and I refer to a 747 as a "747". I dont understand the whole dugong and John Deere BS but if it makes you feel good to do so then who am I to judge? I suppose its a lifestyle choice.

Just sounds fu..... retarded is all...


PS... The type I operate pays me the same salary I had last year...what does yours pay?

[glofish]

Outlaw

Your quote reads:
Timmy asks for better 380 performance. I had to realise that this comes close to blasphemy!

whereas my contribution reads:
I merely made fun of the fact that Timmy asks for better 380 performance. I had to realise that this comes close to blasphemy!

This is a classic gutter-journalist distortion of meaning, willfully.
Change job, you're good at it. :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Glofish out

[The Outlaw]

Harry,

I see your point, but if you give **** to someone, isn't that a bad thing? IE: I'm giving glo **** for using the word "dugong", however I'm also "taking the piss" on the **** I give. If I didn't give a **** then no one would be in **** or getting any ****.

May have to email Oxford for clarification...

Many ways to skin a "scat"!! (couldn't resist)

Glo,

Just what point are you trying to make? The quotes are the same...no? Or did I miss something?

What you do seem to say is that you enjoy pissing on the 380 crowd (that's "dugong" for the challenged)

PS...did you email Tim? Did he ask you to join the commercial team? I'll bet the lads on the 9th floor would welcome your opinions and knowledge...c'mon you can tell us....we're open minded!

[JammedStab]

Podcast: The Argument For An Airbus A380neo | Things With Wings (http://aviationweek.com/blog/podcast-argument-airbus-a380neo?NL=AW-05&Issue=AW-05_20140610_AW-05_676&YM_RID='email'&YM_MID='mmid'&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_4)

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