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B737900er
30th May 2014, 21:14
Geofoto LLC is recruting one pilot for a Aerial Survey project in Saudi Arabia. Project is expected to last one-two month. Payment will be per day. Project specifications require a muslim pilot.
Requirements:
CPL pilot licence
Type rating PA31/42
min PIC 500 fh
min PIC on type 100 fh
Project specific requirements:
religion: muslim (project specifications demand a muslim pilot for flying in Saudi Arabia)
Advantage:
experience in Aerial Survey flying
Is this the beginning of the end, to ask for a specific religion to be eligible?
gorter
30th May 2014, 21:26
Their country their train set their rules. I'm going to assume it has something to do with Mecca or Medina or anything else pilgrimage related.
DooblerChina
30th May 2014, 22:08
No, it's not the beginning of the end. More likely survey work over religious sites which can not be overflown by non-Muslims.
ekwhistleblower
31st May 2014, 08:47
Is that written in the Quaran?
INeedTheFull90
31st May 2014, 09:04
It would be interesting to see reactions if it were a Christian only requirements. The PC brigade would be up in arms.
Superpilot
31st May 2014, 09:11
The world has long been used to Saudi Arabia's requirements in order to enter Mecca (you must be a Muslim), so why should an aviation job overflying the same sites you'd be visiting on the ground be any different? Stop trying to compare this situation to the West. Our governments put up with this backwards and totalitarian state so we can get cheap oil and plant military bases. Ultimately making aviation affordable for the masses and giving rise to your careers. It's a screwed up world but there you go.
BTW, try applying to the Mission Aviation Fellowship (http://www.maf.org/about#.U4mdHijihKk) as a non-Christian.
TowerDog
31st May 2014, 09:48
Been overflying Mecca many times, all infidels in the cockpit.
Never been a problem
Been overflying Mecca many times I doubt it, as it has a prohibited area around it to an unlimited altitude.
Globally Challenged
31st May 2014, 11:35
I doubt it, as it has a prohibited area around it to an unlimited altitude.
Indeed, I heard that 104% of the ISS budget goes to complying with that. :ok:
Luke SkyToddler
3rd Jun 2014, 00:19
Woop de doo
MAF - one of the largest GA organizations in the world - has had a requirement for many decades to not only to be a christian, but to have a letter of reference from a pastor, and a history of "demonstrated involvement in your local church", and I've never heard anyone crying about it on PPRUNE :rolleyes:
I don't believe religious fundamentalism has a place in ANY flight deck but, what's good for the goose is good for the gander
hifly787
3rd Jun 2014, 05:39
Would the US allow a Muslim to fly Air Force one ?
Um... lifting...
3rd Jun 2014, 06:21
Would the US allow a Muslim to fly Air Force one ?
How do you know one hasn't already? The answer to that, of course, is that you don't. Ridiculous question, really, as no religious or personal loyalty test can be applied to any such position. However, the Air Force's religious problems have generally been with fundamentalist Protestant proselytizers, so it is probably unlikely it's occurred.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Piltdown Man
3rd Jun 2014, 06:32
Would the US allow a Muslim to fly Air Force one ?
I reckon they would. If the man in front of them ticks the boxes he'll get the job. And that is the difference between a First and Third world country. Its manners, not money, that make'eth the man.
greenedgejet
4th Jun 2014, 15:22
Arguments about MAF are pretty nonsensical. The clue is in the NGO's title! And they do a hell of a lot of good even for Sir Bob Geldof.
Tis a bit like suggesting a preist or the pope's role should be open to anti Catholics!
That said I've not seen any atheistic groups excluding God believers from their "higher" echelons - but why would someone want to?
GlueBall
7th Jun 2014, 13:29
High flying pilots always have an edge in connecting with that imaginary friend in the sky. :rolleyes:
Religion is a very strange thing, don't forget as a Catholic you can't legally be PM of the UK. Although Disraeli was a Jew, not sure if he still was when he became PM.
Blantoon
21st Jun 2014, 23:21
Their country their train set their rules. I'm going to assume it has something to do with Mecca or Medina or anything else pilgrimage related.
And on my train set I'll only employ males, or white people, or heterosexuals... The "their train set" argument holds no water at all.
Reprehensible.
mikedreamer787
22nd Jun 2014, 02:55
Agree with mutt.
OE(P)-01
UNL
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Approx 40nm SE of OEJN
In any case I don't see a
problem them wanting a
muslim for photographic
work over local religious
sites. Makes sense to me.
Ivan aromer
22nd Jun 2014, 17:27
When I worked for Saudia (CC907) it was alleged that the heli pilots on the air ambulance where "honarary Muslims" to allow them to fly over and land in the Holy cities!
nonsense
23rd Jun 2014, 15:27
The world has long been used to Saudi Arabia's requirements in order to enter Mecca (you must be a Muslim), so why should an aviation job overflying the same sites you'd be visiting on the ground be any different? Stop trying to compare this situation to the West.
Been overflying Mecca many times, all infidels in the cockpit. Never been a problem
I doubt it, as it has a prohibited area around it to an unlimited altitude.
Having banned infidels from flying over Mecca, it's one thing to turn a blind eye to large passenger aircraft passing by at 35,000', but another thing entirely to actively hire one to fly at back and forth over Mecca at 1,000' and photograph the place in minute detail.
The folks on the ground who genuinely care about infidels in Mecca will never know who is flying the airliners, but at least some of them will certainly be able to read the job advertisement online, and once someone has noticed, the evidence is there for all to see.
Now, try flying over a few sensitive military bases in the USA without full authority and a background check, not merely the right citizenship or religion. Remember that religion IS intimately tied up with government and citizenship in Saudi Arabia, whether we in our comfortable secular societies like it or not.
My guess is that in the extremely unlikely situation that the US government found itself forced to contract outside pilots to photograph their "Nevada Test and Training Range" and/or Groom Lake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada_Test_and_Training_Range), aka Area 51 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51), they would be a tad sensitive about who exactly got to do the job too.