View Full Version : Yup... we have a military coup.

22nd May 2014, 14:28
Good evening ladies and gents

As of about 16.30 local a military coup has been declared here in Thailand. Not sure how it affect your Ts & Cs but you need to be aware if you are inbound to any of our airports.

Chocks Away
22nd May 2014, 14:48
Relax brother, just another coup. :ok:
Trading as normal and designed to create stability on the streets in the region while political groups start getting animated. The Military have tried getting all parties together to "nut it out" but no common ground found.
Good luck.

22nd May 2014, 14:50
From what the BBC are saying, just the usual Thai military coup...

"The politicians won't agree, so we will bang their heads together until they do, but we will bang the Yellows' heads a trifle harder than the Reds' heads..."

22nd May 2014, 15:11
travelled up from swampy,via Mor Chit, this afternoon. Not a soldier in sight.

22nd May 2014, 15:51
All ok further south too. More worried about the Wx than the coup. :ok:

Metro man
22nd May 2014, 16:25
10:00pm to 5:00am curfew declared but passengers arriving at the airport outside these hours exempted. Departing pax advised to be at the airport very early.

VTBS operating normally, probably much less chance now of the airport being overrun by protesters or the ATC centre being occupied.

22nd May 2014, 16:35
As we say in Florida, another Coop-Day-Tut.

22nd May 2014, 17:11
all tv stations now off air here with a banner instead saying "National Peace and Order maintaining Council" across the screen.
Some social media believed to be offline and rumours the internet is next.

22nd May 2014, 17:52
Yep, landed in Phuket this afternoon, 3 days off in Pa tong beach, just downing the second beer and it's last orders at 22.00, the place is in total lockdown.
Still I'm up early for a day trip to Phi Phi so an early night'll probably do me good. Can't see the local Table Tennis clubs :E being to pleased though!

23rd May 2014, 00:43
This has been planned for some time, and was reasonably well executed. Prayuth, the Army Commander, has a short temper, is out of his depth, and not very competent. Expect another interim PM to be appointed soon - probably a senator from the appointed list, or a member of the Privy Council.

Elections unlikely in the foreseeable future, and the political disunity is a convenient smokescreen for the real issue, which is the royal succession. I think the reign of Rama IX may be rapidly coming to an end, and this has decided the timing.

23rd May 2014, 02:09
At least I now know who to blame when PPRuNe joins the banned list in Thailand!!

23rd May 2014, 08:40
Can we have a military coup in the UK, please.

23rd May 2014, 09:55
You could if we still had the army

23rd May 2014, 11:01
Just the same same here in Korat. Coup not arrived here yet.:E

23rd May 2014, 11:22

You are a very open traitor.

Do you want regicide too?

How any one who has served in the UK military could want that bunch to actually RUN the country is a total mystery to me!

23rd May 2014, 14:26
Just to keep this in perspective,this is number 12 in the last 80 years. :oh:

23rd May 2014, 15:31

You are a very open traitor.
Many thanks! :ok:

Far better than being a secretive one.

It probably helps to have a traitor's outlook to spot the secretive ones in Government.

1973 was an exception. W-a-a-a-a-y too easy. The Queen's military still missed it, though, so what are the chance these days?

Pom Pax
23rd May 2014, 15:43
This is number 19 in the last 80 years! The number 12 is the success rate.
It should be noted the current dynasty was founded by a coup over 200 years ago.

23rd May 2014, 23:04
Annoying Hell out of the landlady of my local.

She is getting married this coming September. She had her honeymoon booked, in Kenya. This was cancelled a couple of weeks ago so she rebooked.

You have (a few guesses) where the rebooking was.

23rd May 2014, 23:35
All jokes aside, importantly...

...will this affect worldwide prices of Thai take-away?

24th May 2014, 00:24
.will this affect worldwide prices of Thai take-away?

Brides or food ??:E

24th May 2014, 02:12
Don't they have hard drive factories, has anyone looked at th prices:p.

24th May 2014, 02:53
All quiet here in Pattaya except the bar owners are not happy!!
I see the crown prince and his entourage (30)are ensconced in a very expensive hotel down in Hampshire,moved in a week ago ,think he knew something!!!??

24th May 2014, 03:07
Well, He is an Army General after all.

Pom Pax
24th May 2014, 19:16
Just beginning to think this coup may just fizzle out.

24th May 2014, 20:39
Ops normal at BKK airport the other day.

25th May 2014, 09:57
Yep ops normal at both Don Muang and Suvarnabhumi.

25th May 2014, 11:25
The Powers That Be have blocked the U.K. Mail on line, in Thailand ,due to an article that it has printed today. Would hate to lose PPruNe. :sad: :(

25th May 2014, 18:17
Would hate to lose PPruNe

If possible, please keep posting so we will know you still have the internet.

Course, if the powers to be have already shut down the internet there, you will not be able ot read this.

And thank you for informing us on what is going on from, err, the inside. :p

26th May 2014, 00:23
an article in the London evening Standard now. Busy busy busy generals.:eek:

26th May 2014, 02:25
To put this in context - The previous (civilian) administration also blocked websites.

26th May 2014, 02:40
Its hard being a parent, when do you intervene when to siblings are having it out. How far do you let it go, a bit of a rumble on the floor, a few punches or just let it escalate?

26th May 2014, 04:12
Arrived in BKK yesterday morning, terminal like a ghost town. No queues in immigration. Took shuttle bus to Don Mueang. Armed soldiers present outside and in departures area checking locals IDs. Flew to Ubon Ratchathani, same army presence at airport. Drinking outside at local hotel last night.Turned lights and music down at 10pm. Out on the street this morning, business as usual. All local TV shut down except True sports. Still have BBC news, Al Jazeera etc reporting on coup.

Ancient Observer
26th May 2014, 12:42
For a country that has so many quite delightful and charming people, where do all these nutters, headbangers, and generally horrible politicos come from?

dubbleyew eight
26th May 2014, 13:16
where do all these nutters, headbangers, and generally horrible politicos come from?

they are actually from thailand.
if those gentle loveable people get a whiff of real money and succumb to the green eyed devil of greed they can slowly change to be talented pursuers of self interest.

thailand is a very different country, there is nothing stopping them in the pursuit.

26th May 2014, 14:35
Religion plays a BIG part. :sad:

27th May 2014, 00:57
Religion plays a BIG part.

Care to enlighten me on that bit! Apart from the bit done south, I was unaware of any religious issue in reference to the current crisis.

27th May 2014, 03:43
The biggest losers are the people.

Game over for democracy in Thailand (http://www.smh.com.au/comment/game-over-for-democracy-in-thailand-20140526-zrord.html)

Let's stop pretending about Thailand. There is a polite international fiction that last week's military coup is just a temporary interruption to democratic rule.
No. The evidence of this century is that Thailand is not a democracy at all.
The latest coup is confirmation that this is a country which fundamentally rejects the central precept of representative democracy – that the people choose their rulers.
Since 2001, the people have chosen their rulers decisively. In six consecutive elections, they have voted for the party of Thaksin Shinawatra or his allies.
His margin of victory in 2005 was the biggest in modern Thai history. His sister's margin of victory in 2011 was the second largest. The Thai people affirmed their choice yet again at the polls just three months ago.
There was electoral fraud, as there is in every Thai election. But no credible expert has tried to argue that the results of the last six elections did not reflect the people's choice.

Such a beautiful country, but a complete basket case, when it comes to politics.

Metro man
27th May 2014, 07:00
Thaksin bought his votes by bribing the poorer areas of Thailand (Red Shirts) with money stolen from the richer areas (Yellow Shirts).

He paid off his power base with largess from the treasury and a scheme to buy rice from farmers at prices far in excess of the free market. All the time creaming of millions of $$$ along with his cronies.

Ultimately of course, it was unsustainable and the house of cards collapsed.

There is very little difference between Thaksin and looney left wing councils in the UK. Any fool can get elected with populist policies, you simply keep dishing out other peoples money until enough people benefit to give you a majority.

“Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people’s money. It’s quite characteristic of them.”
Margret Thatcher

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. Alexander Fraser Tytler

Democracy is wrong if 51% of the electorate can plunder the remaining 49%

27th May 2014, 07:52
Very interesting Metro Man.

But the pollies have now also worked this out so they promise the earth and then renig on all promises as soon as they get elected.
That's how it works here in Oz anyway.

I think politics is the biggest scam foisted on people everywhere.
When your only choice is between Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber
It's not much of a choice at all.

Metro man
27th May 2014, 11:02
That's why democracies have a two party system. It alternates between a left wing, high spending party which wrecks the finances, and a right wing strong medicine party which has to sort out the mess, becoming unpopular in the process.

Then people who have had enough of belt tightening, vote in the left wingers again and so the cycle continues.

SMT Member
27th May 2014, 11:15
That's why democracies have a two party system.

Think you will find the vast majority of democracies have far in excess of only 2 parties, and that those democracies with only 2 parties to chose from are creating very polarized constituencies. A 2-party system also frequently leads to the party holding the reign being unwilling to compromise with it's opponent, and thus anything they voted in during their rule is likely to be overturned when the other lot takes over.

I for one can't fathom how a society so diverse as the e.g. US can embrace the political leanings of the entire electorate with only 2 parties.

The best functioning democracies are those with multiple parties having seats in parliament, with no single party holding absolute majority. This forces the formation of coalition governments, which in turns leads to policies that are unlikely to be overturned at the next election, and which are representative of the wishes of a large majority of the electorate, not just '51%'. Of course, this requires the politicians having a large sense of responsibility, which means that in some parts of the world it leads to chaos and permanent stalemate. For functioning multi-party democracies, I offer you most of Western Europe - the Nordics, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland and Austria in particular. For the opposite, basically anything south of the Alps.

Metro man
27th May 2014, 11:34
There are usually only two parties which are electable. The UK has Conservative and Labour, the USA has Democrat and Republican, Australia has Liberal/National and Labor.

Italy is dysfunctional and can't keep a government for more than about 18 months.

Zimbabwe has had the same clown for 34 years and is in a shocking state.

Switzerland seems to work as does Singapore.

27th May 2014, 13:27
Perhaps Slasher could run for President or whatever it is they have in Thailand? The time he used to spend posting pictures of enormous breasts on here, could perhaps, be spent running for office? Just a thought :)

27th May 2014, 14:03
Nah; he'd make more of a contribution to mankind (if not, perhaps, womankind) if he just carried on posting the aforementioned pictures. ;) I wonder what he's up to now?

SMT Member
27th May 2014, 16:17
There are usually only two parties which are electable. The UK has Conservative and Labour, the USA has Democrat and Republican, Australia has Liberal/National and Labor

You seriously need to broaden your horizons if that's what you think. I listed 8 nations that have several parties in their parliaments, strongly suggesting your knowledge of political systems in very many democracies is insufficient to make such remarks.

27th May 2014, 16:21
At one of our less respected newspapers, when reporting the coup, they led off with the headline.... Military Coup in Taiwan.

Metro man
28th May 2014, 00:29
Coalition governments are weak and don't stay in power for long, they lack the ability to take tough but necessary measures. A tax rise or cut in public expenditure will affect one of the parties support base and is likely to be rejected.

Democracy works best were everyone is the same race, speaks the same language and is on a similar economic footing. There are very few countries were this is true.

If the whole electorate wanted better public services and the whole electorate agreed to pay higher taxes to pay for those services then that is a genuine democratic decision.

The less we'll off want better services but can't pay for them, the more we'll off have private education and medical care and don't want to pay for something they don't use.

If the better offs are in the majority the worse offs will be neglected. If the worse offs are in the majority then the better offs are plundered.

If everyone was equal, the tax to services ratio would be fair to all.

SMT Member
28th May 2014, 07:32
Coalition governments are weak and don't stay in power for long, they lack the ability to take tough but necessary measures.

Have you tried running that statement by someone like, say, Andrea Merkel? For the record, we've had nothing buy coalition governments in my home country for the past 30-odd years, and they usually stay in power for the duration of the election period. And they've taken some pretty tough measures over time when necessary.

As said above, you really need to broaden your horizons and educate yourself a bit, which might lead you to offer opinions based on facts rather than ideology.

Metro man
28th May 2014, 10:14
Coalitions might have worked for Germany, but Italy has averaged a new government every year since the end of world war two.

This is taken from an article in The Economist;

Forming a government, and then keeping it together, depends on the co-operation of a gaggle of groups, often with diverging interests. If a small party falls out with its coalition partners, it can bring down the government.

Here's a link to the whole page if you want to educate yourself.

The Economist explains: Why is it so hard to form a government in Italy? | The Economist (http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/04/economist-explains-8)

SMT Member
28th May 2014, 15:25
Coalitions might have worked for Germany

The fact that you injected the word 'might' in the above sentence, makes it utterly clear you are an ideologist with no interest in hearing anything that doesn't fit your agenda. As if that alone wasn't enough, you take the worst functioning democracy in Western Europe and use that ascertain that all coalition governments are bad.

There are far, far more functioning multi-party parliaments and coalition governments in Europe than there are bad ones. The fact you seem incapable of understanding that, or at least make an effort to understand, is very telling indeed.

But if you really think a 2-party state is always the best, please elaborate on the success of Republican vs Democrats in the US. If anything is a dysfunctional mess of polarized millionaires (that'll be the congressmen, -women and senators in case you're wondering) giving scant, if any, regard to the wishes of its electorate, that'll be it.

Ancient Observer
28th May 2014, 15:40
So that makes you a German working for the Met Office?

Does the nutter in charge still assault everyone with his French good morning hand shake?

Metro man
28th May 2014, 15:45
I didn't state that a two party system is best, this is what I said about it in an earlier post.

That's why democracies have a two party system. It alternates between a left wing, high spending party which wrecks the finances, and a right wing strong medicine party which has to sort out the mess, becoming unpopular in the process.

Then people who have had enough of belt tightening, vote in the left wingers again and so the cycle continues.

I live in a country which has had the same party in power since 1965 and in that time gone from a third world into a wealthy first world country. Low taxes, little crime and very stable. A huge sovereign wealth fund, strong currency and a high standard of government services. Policies have changed little in the last fifty years because they got it right in the first place.