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rotornut
20th May 2014, 15:12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkYl_AH-qyk

Capetonian
20th May 2014, 15:35
I initially read it as how to SLOT a communist. That is what they deserve.

BenThere
20th May 2014, 15:44
If only we had the collective mentality of those days, I think it would be a much better world. Back then, people knew what's what.

charliegolf
20th May 2014, 16:05
Anyone who disagrees with anyone else on Pprune?

CG

onetrack
20th May 2014, 16:25
How to spot a Communist?? Why, you just look under your bed, of course - where all the monsters lurk!! :)

'Reds under the bed' (http://alphahistory.com/coldwar/reds-under-the-bed/)

Lon More
20th May 2014, 16:38
Very few "pure" communists left. A bigger danger to society is the resurgence of the right-wing fanatics. They even seem to be cloning themselves here on PPRune

Tankertrashnav
20th May 2014, 16:39
If only we had the collective mentality of those days, I think it would be a much better world. Back then, people knew what's what.

Yup, good old Senator McArthy - he sure knew how to deal with those commie bastards!

I lived with a family in Russia for four months in 1992, the year after the break up of the Soviet Union. The husband was a medical consultant and the wife a university lecturer, but they saw nothing strange in the fact that neither earned more than the woman's mother, who worked in the ticket office at the local railway station. One night the woman told me that they were bewildered that all they had believed in had been swept away, and didnt know how they were going to get on under the new regime.

I have lost contact, but I rather feel that a couple of idealistic communists like them would have fared very badly in Putin's brave new Russia, and I frankly felt sorry for them. Communism was an unmitigated disaster - a pity what replaced it in Russia is little better.

Dushan
20th May 2014, 17:17
"If a person defends the activities of communist nations while consistently attacking the domestic and foreign policies of United States, she may be a communist."

Now, who am I thinking of?

500N
20th May 2014, 17:22
Lon More

An even bigger danger is the left wing fanatics who have no experience but dictate to everyone else how things are to be done and what they can and can't do, often based just on ideology, not practicality or experience.

Tankertrashnav
20th May 2014, 17:25
Surely you all realise that the political spectrum is not a straight line, but a circle, with the policies of the extreme left and the extreme right meeting at a point where they are indistinguishable.

pigboat
20th May 2014, 19:49
Surely you all realise that the political spectrum is not a straight line, but a circle, with the policies of the extreme left and the extreme right meeting at a point where they are indistinguishable.
Yep. To use a baseball metaphor, go far enough into left field and you'll meet a right fielder.

John Hill
20th May 2014, 21:23
Relax guys, it is all part of the normal development of human civilistions.

At the start of the cycle a few of the 'haves' lord it over the 'have nots'. As time goes by a middle class emerges which has more than some and less than others.

A few generations pass and the aristocracy quietly acquires what little wealth the poor have managed to accumulate until eventually even tenant farmers are forced to leave their homes and wind up living on the streets of the cities.

The middle classes can see what is happening and know that they will be the next to be dispossessed. Some who fight the inevitable are called 'lefties' but others 'feed the crocodile' hoping that if they play the game hard enough they will be eaten last, these are the 'righties'.

This cycle only breaks when war, invasion or a social collapse restarts the game.

ExSp33db1rd
20th May 2014, 23:17
I fear that the ***** religion is a far greater threat then Communism ever was.

( fill in your own blank )

Lon More
20th May 2014, 23:40
An even bigger danger is the left wing fanatics who have no experience but dictate to everyone else how things are to be done and what they can and can't do, often based just on ideology, not practicality or experience.

That can be said about Farage, not going to stop people wasting votes on him though

10Watt
21st May 2014, 00:08
Now stop being silly.

The problem with Socialism in general is that there is always a pampered

elite.

rh200
21st May 2014, 00:40
A bigger danger to society is the resurgence of the right-wing fanatics.

Yes that would be the right wing communists, socialists and atheists who are collectivly responsable for the greatist systematic slaughter of human beings ever known though out the 20th century.

One of the greatest coups in relation to PR is disconnection of right wing dictators from communists, socialists.

As for how to spot a communist/ socialist, take a walk though the universitys, usually around the arts, humanities.

10Watt
21st May 2014, 02:46
We all occasionaly slip in our words when typing,

sometimes something is left.

Mostly Harmless
21st May 2014, 03:29
http://s.quickmeme.com/img/f9/f9991deb5f3662e07bf1a6390b008e70fdffcfd1d0bcc7459f6d4e8669c1 cc97.jpg

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/400x/24573364.jpg

Krystal n chips
21st May 2014, 07:00
"How to spot a communist "

Allow me to offer you this gentleman. A man who benefitted society, and was true to his principles.

Benny Rothman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benny_Rothman)

His obituary makes interesting reading although some in thrall to the corporate world..... and others to themselves and selective ideology , will have difficulty comprehending the totally unbiased judicial process let alone his victimisation.....although more astute readers will be able to make a strong correlation between those times.....and the present.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2002/jan/25/guardianobituaries

cattletruck
21st May 2014, 11:45
Post WWII in Greece there was a lot of civil unrest on who will run the country. Unfortunately the British decided to arm the communists who then went on a witch hunt killing thousands of people they thought were fascists and creating criminal records for those that they felt could be a problem.

In my area there was this quiet man called Vaggelis Magganas who stood up for doing things right and fairly which put him at odds with the communists. His activism was noticed and in one of the many massacres of the region he was thrown down a well along with 70 other bodies and left for dead.

But he survived, and at night he crawled out of the well and snuck out of town. He sought to regroup and a some while later his team burst open the prison gates setting the political prisoners free. Even though they were not armed and the British wouldn't assist them they eventually managed to overpower the brutal communists at the time.

My mother actually remembers him when she was young and tells me he had a young niece who would regularly walk alone to a field to tend to her farm animals, and he would be following in secret to see if anyone would dare take advantage of this child.

Sadly not much detailed documentation exists on this period as many records were burnt because they included a lot of falsification at the hands of the communists.

Blacksheep
21st May 2014, 13:17
One day in January, it was so cold I saw a Socialist with his hands in his own pockets.

arcniz
21st May 2014, 15:09
If only we had the collective mentality of those days, I think it would be a much better world. Back then, people knew what's what.

...even when it wasn't

Dushan
21st May 2014, 16:17
And some you don't even have to "spot". they show themselves.

Dem Congressman: 'We've Proved That Communism Works' | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/21/dem-congressman-weve-proved-that-communism-works/)

VP959
21st May 2014, 22:02
In my early Royal Air Force days an Intelligence briefing revealed a reasonably effective means of unmasking a Russian spy.

I well remember the photos of suspected communists/EOKA terrorists that were posted on the wall of one of the corridors in the mess at Akrotiri in the early 70's. Our favourite pastime was seeing how many we could spot in the various bars in and around Heroes Square in the evenings, a bit like playing bingo with spies. One got extra points for trying to chat up one of the supposed Russian seductresses working down there..............

rh200
22nd May 2014, 01:14
One got extra points for trying to chat up one of the supposed Russian seductresses working down there..............

How much for actually scoring:p. I bet there would have a lot of extra embellishment on some guys in their roles.:E

500N
22nd May 2014, 01:19
Like one of the top gun pilots said in the video, the real top gun pilots sat in a corner, totalled about 15, he reckons must have been 90 "Top Gun" instructors on the dance floor :O

bosnich71
22nd May 2014, 13:22
Cattletruck..... my old man disappeared in Greece in 1945 and was posted as M.I.A. Three months later he turned up again. Seems he had been captured by a bunch of Communists and taken on a walking tour of the mountains. Never spoke much about it but didn't vote labour after that... smiley added.

cattletruck
22nd May 2014, 14:20
That's fascinating Mr bosnich71, do you know which area?

I've come across a group on fbook called Australian Messinia and the group operator is trove of knowledge about British and other nation's presence in Greece during/post WWII. If your father went MIA in the southern Peloponnese then you may want to get in touch with him and see if he has got anything.

bosnich71
23rd May 2014, 00:38
Cattletruck..... my Dad is long gone I'm afraid so I can't ask him anything. He ,like many others, didn't talk a great deal about his war time experiences. Most of what I do know came from my Mother and my elder Brother.
Father was a regular infantry soldier during the 20's and 30's and when war was declared in 1939 he was immediately re-called .... literally within an hour on the 3rd.Sept.His second lot of army life was in the Signals, no doubt due to his age, a bit safer than Infantry anyway.
His M.I.A. in Greece was his second time, the first being at Rheims during the retreat to Dunkirk.
The story ref. Greece as far as I know was that somehow he and other British army personnel were take captive by members of the Greek Communist party.. guerillas ? ... and then marched around the mountains for approx. 3 months until they awoke one morning to find that the Greeks had disappeared. They then walked to a village form where they were re-united with the authorities.

onetrack
23rd May 2014, 03:21
bosnich71 - Far better for your father to have been captured by the Communist guerrillas, than by the Nazis. He probably wouldn't have survived capture by the Germans, particularly if he and his group were captured in a remote area. :(

bosnich71
23rd May 2014, 05:30
Onetrack ..... he was actually captured by the Germans in 1940 and was being escorted, on foot along with a few thousand others, towards Germany when he decided he would rather walk in the opposite direction which is what he and a mate did.
They initially made towards St.Nazaire but eventually decided against that which I suppose is a good thing given what happened to the poor souls on the Lancastria.Finally caught a train to Marseilles, a freighter to Gibraltar and a ride on a Navy ship back to U.K.
The Army being the Army they then posted him to Inverness which is about as far from his, then pregnant, wife as they could manage. Mother then carried me through the Birmingham Blitz whilst looking after my 6 year old Brother until I was born in the January at which time we all went off to Inverness just in time for Dad to get his orders for Nth.Africa etc.etc.

onetrack
23rd May 2014, 10:40
The bottom line is, of course, that the Allies decided that Communists were our friends, up until 1945 - and one has to admit, the Commies in more than one country took out a vast number of Nazis, thereby helping our war position no end.

However, in the aftermath of WW2, the Commies became the Western worlds next greatest evil, after Hitler and Tojo.
The paranoia of McCarthyism destroyed a lot of innocent peoples lives, until McCarthy himself was exposed as a political thug, and the equivalent of a schoolyard gangmeister.

rh200
23rd May 2014, 13:13
The bottom line is, of course, that the Allies decided that Communists were our friends

No surprise in that, marriage of convenience. The age old the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

the Commies became the Western worlds next greatest evil

Deservedly so, I think the genocide associated with them is well documented.

The paranoia of McCarthyism destroyed a lot of innocent peoples lives, until McCarthy himself was exposed as a political thug, and the equivalent of a schoolyard gangmeister.

McCarthy was a tool, an ends to a means, basically a way to keep the fifth column suppressed. Actually I thought I read somewhere most of the people he targeted where indeed found to be commie sympathizers, with the exception of one or two.

onetrack
23rd May 2014, 15:20
rh200 - Well, you've been reading some biased stuff, then - because there's a section of American society that still worships McCarthy, and tries to extensively downplay the damage he did to many thousands of innocent people (particularly in the entertainment industry) - purely because they expressed leftist views.

The term "McCarthyism" has entered general use as a reference to paranoiac witch hunts, where people are hounded for their beliefs, not their criminal actions.
It's a term used for generalised, unsubstantiated accusations that are applied without any reference to fairness of treatment under the law.

McCarthy succeeded in blacklisting some 10 or 12 thousand people, who had done nothing wrong, in criminal terms. These people were deprived of income, unable to secure employment, and suffered greatly. McCarthyism was nothing more than the 1950's version of a Salem witch hunt.

I'll leave you to do your own research on the McCarthyism era - there may be some eye-opening discoveries out there that allow you to gain a more balanced view of what was a particularly nasty period of repression in U.S. history, in a country that prides itself on freedom and rights of the individual.

Dushan
23rd May 2014, 17:06
rh200 - Well, you've been reading some biased stuff, then - because there's a section of American society that still worships McCarthy, and tries to extensively downplay the damage he did to many thousands of innocent people (particularly in the entertainment industry) - purely because they expressed leftist views.




There is nothing innocent about having and expressing leftist views.

BenThere
23rd May 2014, 19:10
Not to be a revisionist, but one could make the case that McCarthy was a harbinger in that he saw the threat the left posed and acted on it with the means at his disposal.

McCarthy's methods were no more foul than the current use of the IRS to silence and intimidate conservatives were they?

And what about the refusal of the attorney general of the United States to enforce the law when it is to the disadvantage of his political constituency? What about providing known murderous drug cartels with assault weapons across the border? What about releasing convicted criminals unconditionally solely because they entered the country illegally. Is that good?

con-pilot
23rd May 2014, 19:42
When it comes to “McCarthyism", don't foget one major, very important fact. The main stream media of those days, supported “McCarthyism" just as they are strongly and just as totally committed to the liberal mantra and the Obama agenda today.

If the main stream media was so bloody wrong back then, what makes them so bloody right today?

Just something to think about.

John Hill
23rd May 2014, 20:31
Being afraid of 'Reds' under the bed is so passé as the bogey man de jour is any follower of Islam.

BenThere
23rd May 2014, 20:33
airship,

I thought we were old friends, here on JB, where we are for the most part free to assert our views. We clash swords and get on with the dialogue.

My heartfelt disclaimer is that it is never personal.

I respect your perspective and will address where I think it is wrong. But it's never directed at you personally.

I do like the acerbic wit, granted, and I feebly attempt it at times. And you are a favorite target, I admit, along with John Hill and others. But I do thrive on the discussion and value you as a foil. I wish you would accord me the same respect, counting on me to challenge you, and appreciating it.

You probably wouldn't be comfortable in my presence, as you seem not to accept the things I believe.

Two's in
23rd May 2014, 21:00
Most people overlook the most terrifying aspect of Communism to 70% of Americans. It is Godless, therefore can not be accepted under any terms.

John Hill
23rd May 2014, 21:09
It is Godless, therefore can not be accepted under any terms.

Obviously Islam and Sharia law meet that qualification at least. On the other hand Christians are a minority in the world largest democracy.

BenThere
23rd May 2014, 21:31
Personally, I found the most terrifying aspect of Communism to be the tendency for mass slaughter, but that's just me. The Godlessness goes without saying, given that.

Christians are a minority in the world largest democracy

Are we focusing on India now?

John Hill
23rd May 2014, 21:51
India is indeed the world's largest democracy and we are focussing on the relevance of religion to system of government.

10Watt
25th May 2014, 01:59
Look mate,

if you have an axe to grind then get on with it.

Please don`t faff about, spit it out.

Up front.

What`s the worst that can happen ? you are under the Nato umbrella.

John Hill
25th May 2014, 02:02
If you really must drag this thread off topic I should tell you that NZ is not under anyone's umbrella and we could surely get no further from the North Atlantic if we tried.

BTW, the last time any military forces attacked NZ they were from a NATO country and other NATO countries carefully looked away.

10Watt
25th May 2014, 02:13
You`ve lost me there.

Just confusion.

What are you getting at ? Speak up, you are allowed.

Dushan
25th May 2014, 02:17
I think a mod has been deleting a few posts of mine and 10 Watts.

We've been too unkind to communists.

500N
25th May 2014, 02:18
John

Greenpeace deserved it - except the French should have done it on
the high seas and sent it to the bottom - forever.

And someone should do it to the rest of the Sea Shepherd fleet,
currently one down :ok: and a few more to go !


Now, where are those limpet mines :O
Anyone up for another Operation Rimau !

500N
25th May 2014, 02:19
"We've been too unkind to communists."


You can never be too unkind to them,
that's why I support water boarding !

Dushan
25th May 2014, 02:29
I think John Hill would welcome the lefty spin of the BBC with open arms. I don't think that's it. I think 500 is right. Sinking the Rainbow Warrior in NZ waters, by the French is considerd an act of war. Yeah right, attacked by the French. I'd be ashamed to claim that.

10Watt
25th May 2014, 02:32
Did anyone see the other nights tv report on Belarus ?

A tad like North Korea but the balding Da is alive and well, and

preparing his son for greatness........ by being under his armpit ?

500N
25th May 2014, 02:39
I wish people like John would go and live in places they love so much, like North Korea.

Would make life so much more enjoyable.

But no, like most lefties, happy to espouse the ideology but no way do they want to get off
the safe and secure gravy train of the west !

10Watt
25th May 2014, 03:09
lndia is the World`s largest democracy.

Discuss.

So who gets to vote ? Let`s have a think.

The young girls who get gang raped to death. Nah, maybe not those.

The young professional women who get gang raped to death on public

transport. Best left alone.

Maybe the males then.

Should we be taking corruption into account ?

10Watt
25th May 2014, 04:10
John,
all you have to do is explain your thinking.

There must be a reason, no blame attached.