NZ not adopting ICAO age ruling

[747-419]

New Zealand Ministry of Transport is not going to adopt ICAO Amendment 172.


The New Zealand Human Rights Act states you cannot discriminate on age so there is no retiring age limit for NZ Airline Pilots.


What is Ozzie's stance on the this ICAO amendment?

[Mach E Avelli]

Dunno what the 'stance' at CASA is, but because we have similar anti discrimination laws they would be p!ssing up a rope to introduce a mandatory retirement age for pilots.
To get around it they simply ramp up the medical and other compliance requirements to a point where it is not worth the aggro to maintain a current licence.
As for employers, they can't assign over-age pilots to fly in airspace where ICAO or other State limits apply. So from a practical angle, older pilots can only fly Trans Tasman and to a few other places like PNG where they are not so worried about age. An employer who had only a long haul operation would have to be exempted from keeping pilots on the payroll if they could not fly anywhere in that company's network, n'est pas?
There is enough local work to see a few established older pilots persist into their seventies, as indeed several have already. But I don't see too many opportunities for pilots over 65 who are not already very well-established in a local company to break in to the Aussie scene, if that is what you are hoping for.
Add to that a bunch of QANTAS pilots who will grab their redundancy payouts then flood the local market, and an outsider 'of a certain age' won't find too many opportunities here.
Of course the selection process can't officially discriminate either, but there are ways around that, too. The trick cyclists can do whatever they want with aptitude testing, and how would an individual passed over as a result ever prove an age bias? There comes a time for us all, and we have to accept that.

[004wercras]

Allegedly this old bloke has an A380 endorsement, so CAsA MUST be supportive of the elderly in the aviation community?

Deputy Director of Aviation Safety
Terry Farquharson Deputy Director of Aviation Safety

PROFILE
Mr Terry Farquharson joined CASA in 1999 and held a number of senior management positions prior to being appointed as Deputy Director of Aviation Safety in 2010.

He holds Bachelor of Business and Master of Business Administration degrees and is a Fellow of the Royal Aeronautical Society, a member of the Australian Institute of Management and a member of the Society of Experimental Test Pilots.

Mr Farquharson began flying in 1964. In 1966 he commenced a career in the Royal Australian Air Force, during which he graduated from the Empire Test Pilot School and was a qualified flying instructor on a number of training and strike aircraft.

In 1979, Mr Farquharson joined Cathay Pacific, where he was responsible for managing the conduct of the company's ongoing airworthiness flight test program and the acceptance and certification of flight simulators.

ROLE

The Deputy Director provides strategic support and advice to the Director of Aviation Safety across the range of CASA's activities. When required, the Deputy Director assumes responsibility for specific projects or initiatives on behalf of the Director. The Deputy Director also acts for the Director in his absences and represents CASA at government and international meetings as required. The Deputy Director has responsibility for the Safety Systems Office and knowledge information management services functions within CASA.

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[thorn bird]

004, pity he knows Fck all about aviation.

[DeltaT]

There is no need to introduce a retirement age in NZ, seeing as the hype would have us believe every Air NZ pilot over a certain age can't wait to retire. :E

[004wercras]

Thorn bird, what about some of these 'aviators'?

Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Image Gallery (http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_92565)

There is an assortment here of pensioners, sociopaths, wordsmiths, pony pooh peddlers, lick licks, spin doctors, facial hair supporters and even a tyre kicker or two! And here is a little 'treat' for all you kids who like playing 'Where's Wally' - If you look really really closely you may just happen to see the identity of the two who have A380 endo's!! (Hint: One is wearing a suit and one is wearing standard CAsA flak jacket green). And have fun as the first person to guess correctly wins two Choccy frogs, a free tour of the Brisbane HQ worm farm and an all expenses taxpayer funded A380 endo!

P.S The funny thing is that none of the models in these photos were willing to pose in the Styx Houseboat Uniform. Go figure? Also no Wabbits were hurt during the making of this production.


Toot toot

[waterbottle]

747-419

Bit misleading in your comment.

NZ will most likely apply the new standard, though they MAY apply for an exemption for NZ domestic operations. Aus may do the same meaning SOME trans Tasman flights are possible as well.

If this is how it works out then over 65s would have to move to the A320 at ANZ.

Cheers

[belowMDA]

Waterbottle you are correct I think in your interpretation of how the rule will be implemented.

Just as well we're about to buy them some shiny new A320s

[4dogs]

747-419,

Age discrimination was, for all practical purposes, abolished in Australia with the passing of the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission Act 1986.

Part 5 of the Civil Aviation Regulations 1988 reflected that reality by providing the regulatory means for pilots to continue flying in Australia until such time as they could no longer hold a medical or pass a proficiency test.

I seem to remember around about 2008 a high capacity RPT pilot still flying at 74, so this issue is nothing new in this jurisdiction. :ok:

Stay Alive,

[c100driver]

The combined age restriction of 120 is then scrapped (I think). Meaning two 64 year old's could fly together.



There has never been a 120 combined age restriction. It was an age pairing restriction. The P in C was limited to 65 but if the P in C was over 60 then the FO had to be under 60. i.e. Capt 64 the FO had to be 59 or less or Capt 59 then the FO could be any age.

This new standard is 65 game over for any pilot seats for international operations. The crew pairing restriction is gone but the limit is 65 for all pilots on international ATO.

New Zealand Government has indicated it will file a difference with ICAO for within the domestic FIR. Who knows what occurs in the Tasman


NZCAA, based on the NZ Human Rights act intend to file a difference with ICAO

Nothing to do with NZCAA it is NZ MOT that is the Government signatory to ICAO