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Sallyann1234
11th May 2014, 12:32
I almost wept when I read this. Couldn't decide if the tears were sadness or laughter.

Thamesmead transgender woman 'gutted' after lodger nicks her lingerie (From News Shopper) (http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/11147377.Thamesmead_transgender_woman__gutted__after_lodger_ nicks_her_lingerie)

500N
11th May 2014, 12:39
Tears for his loss and laughter for the look ?

Bronx
11th May 2014, 12:47
'Roxanne' as Doug now calls himself :rolleyes: is "hoping to have the six-hour reassignment surgery done on the NHS".

With all the pre-op and post-op stuff on top of six hours surgery, how much is that going to cost?

I thought the NHS was short of money.
Don't the 'cuts' I read so much about apply to people like him? :confused:

SOPS
11th May 2014, 12:53
What has been seen, can never be unseen.

AtomKraft
11th May 2014, 13:45
There was no need for that link at all. That would keep one awake at night.:eek:

500N
11th May 2014, 13:50
"That would keep one awake at night."


That would ensure that you became another Roger Bannister and ran the mile in under 4 minutes :O


or like that joke in Friday's jokes, lose weight by the last method ;)

Capetonian
11th May 2014, 13:58
I'd rather watch the entire Urinevision song contest from start to finish than look at that again.

Lightning Mate
11th May 2014, 14:03
"Don't the 'cuts' I read so much about....


0/10 for spelling !

sitigeltfel
11th May 2014, 14:04
With all the pre-op and post-op stuff on top of six hours surgery, how much is that going to cost?

Change from £12.50p

Mac the Knife
11th May 2014, 14:09
Yes, it's sad - I have much sympathy for trans-people, who are some of the most misunderstood folk on the planet.

But at 65, the most she is likely to be offered is an orchidectomy and breast implants, which is relatively cheap. Vaginoplasty is unlikely to on the cards.

Mac

:cool:

cattletruck
11th May 2014, 15:03
If Doug commences a regular course of KFC his big breasts will develop all by themselves.

500N
11th May 2014, 15:06
If he lives that long !


(ref the guy who ate Maccas on a continuous basis where apart
from gaining weight his body organs started shutting down.

UniFoxOs
11th May 2014, 15:11
Don't the 'cuts' I read so much about apply to people like him?

Well presumably he will be receiving some sort of cuts.

OFSO
11th May 2014, 15:11
full sexual reassignment surgery

Is there anyone here qualified (or maybe with a good imagination) who can explain what this is ? Does "reassignment" mean "modification" ?

R

lomapaseo
11th May 2014, 16:09
Is there anyone here qualified (or maybe with a good imagination) who can explain what this is ? Does "reassignment" mean "modification" ?


I take it to literally mean your swap tasks for things like fingers and a$$holes

racedo
11th May 2014, 16:12
Is there anyone here qualified (or maybe with a good imagination) who can explain what this is ?

I have no :mad: idea but not going to stop me laughing at the photo.

4mastacker
11th May 2014, 16:20
After looking at that photo, a generous application of eye bleach is required. :yuk:

VP959
11th May 2014, 18:28
Is there anyone here qualified (or maybe with a good imagination) who can explain what this is ? Does "reassignment" mean "modification" ?

R

Unfortunately I made the grave error (I blame my inate curiosity) of watching such a procedure on TV a couple of years ago.

In essence, the surgeon removed the testicles, and remodelled part of the remaining scrotum into labia. The penis was cut with a longitudinal incision, the internal parts carefully stripped out and repositioned (in the case of the urethra and nerves) and then it was turned inside out, stitched up along the longitudinal incision and inserted into an incision made pretty much in the centre of where the scrotum had been. It was packed to keep it from healing closed, and the surgeon then spent some time converting the flaps of empty scrotum into something that made a fair resemblance of external labia.

As one may imagine, this was something, like the article above, that once seen cannot be unseen, hence the reason that I can remember it, even now.

G-CPTN
11th May 2014, 19:16
removed the testicles, and remodelled part of the remaining scrotum into labia. The penis was cut with a longitudinal incision, the internal parts carefully stripped out and repositioned (in the case of the urethra and nerves) and then it was turned inside out, stitched up along the longitudinal incision and inserted into an incision made pretty much in the centre of where the scrotum had been.I expect that that makes your eyes water and causes your voice to be squeaky.

lomapaseo
11th May 2014, 20:45
I expect that that makes your eyes water and causes your voice to be squeaky.

Don't they give you a general anesthesia first ?

Tankertrashnav
11th May 2014, 22:28
I used to have a gay nephew, who is now a heterosexual niece.

He went to the Netherlands for his op which he paid for himself - these days it would have been a lot easier to get it on the NHS.

It's been the making of her (quite literally). She's not a freak, just a perfectly normal woman getting on with her life, in a steady relationship with a nice bloke. As a man she was fortunately small and slightly built (5'5" and size 5 shoes) with delicate features so she really does look like a woman.

The only time I still think of her as a man is when she is talking about cars - she has retained her passionate interest in them and I have had cause to ask her advice on repairs as her knowledge of car mechanics is far superior to the average bloke's.

Oh, and she can in-line park as well!

Bronx
11th May 2014, 23:52
She's ..... in a steady relationship with a nice bloke.

And assuming he knows 'she' used to be a guy, also an unusual bloke?

SawMan
12th May 2014, 00:16
Some years ago in Las Vegas one of the hottest and most expensive 'escorts' was a Transexual woman, and nobody there knew her past, even after their 'date' in bed. She's retired now. I just happened to learn of this from befriending someone related to her who showed me some childhood pics and there was no mistaking that it was the same person. For some folks, it's simply who they are and without the change they really have no life to look forward to. Live and let live I say, and to each their own happiness.

alisoncc
12th May 2014, 00:54
Is there anyone here qualified (or maybe with a good imagination) who can explain what this is ? Does "reassignment" mean "modification" ?Eighteen days in Phuket International Hospital ten years ago did it for me. Reliably informed that the results looked like "original fit". No imagination needed. Chose not to watch the link. Little interest.

Nervous SLF
12th May 2014, 02:02
[QUOTE=VP959;8473591]

The penis was cut with a longitudinal incision, the internal parts carefully stripped out and repositioned (in the case of the urethra and nerves) and then it was turned inside out, stitched up along the longitudinal incision and inserted into an incision made pretty much in the centre of where the scrotum had been. It was packed to keep it from healing closed, and the surgeon then spent some time converting the flaps of empty scrotum into something that made a fair resemblance of external labia.

/QUOTE]

Could be a tad awkward if he only had a 3 inch penis ?:E

david1300
12th May 2014, 03:48
Reminds me of the couple on their wedding night, when they each agreed that there would be no secrets between them. He confessed that he wasn't really a virgin - in fact, although he had never told her this before, he was previously a pilot, and he was actually 'quite experienced'. "That's OK, darling", she said, "I have to confess that I too, have a past that I have not told you about - I used to be a hooker". "Oh darling", he said, "that's quite alright. In fact I am sure there are quite a few tips and moves you could teach me" he whispered in eager anticipation. "I'm not so sure", she said "there wasn't much I learned playing for Scotland that was any good."

probes
12th May 2014, 05:44
Holy Jeezuz!
I blame you, AtomKraft. :ouch:

Solid Rust Twotter
12th May 2014, 06:00
The chromosomes don't lie. Any changes to standard issue are cosmetic.

At the end of the day, whatever blows your kilt up.

alisoncc
12th May 2014, 06:12
Your assumption is that they are either XX or XY. Black & white. And what if the chromosomes are indeterminate? Here are some aberrations:-

Chromosome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosomes#Aberrations)

Towards the end of WWII and in the few years after apparently there was some kind of edict from the College of Surgeons that any babies born with indeterminate gender were to be surgically altered to make them male as the country was going to be short of men. It's the kind of thing they did in those days.

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Tankertrashnav
12th May 2014, 08:34
And assuming he knows 'she' used to be a guy, also an unusual bloke?


Most certainly he knows.

I'm getting the impression you dont quite approve of all this, Bronx?

Fliegenmong
12th May 2014, 10:42
"Eighteen days in Phuket International Hospital ten years ago did it for me."

Interesting Alisoncc.......and an interesting article here....

Veteran surfer reveals sexual seachange - 24/02/2014 (http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3951444.htm)

another article here if you can't see the ABC link...

Surfing World | Westerly Windina (http://www.surfingworld.com.au/features/westerlywindina)

Another Gold Coast Legend was Peter, now Westerly (A Westerly on the Northern end of the Gold Coast is offshore, and the surf cleans up very well indeed, it also only ever occurs during the winter.....)

I did read article somewhere about how long the recovery was.

Westerly lives in a humble little place far from the Gold Coasts legendary Point breaks, but did go on to get a law degree, and a degree in Marine Biology I think, pretty much came up with the idea of 'man on man' surfing competitions, a shame really.....

Solid Rust Twotter
12th May 2014, 12:02
Indeterminate is a different matter entirely. That's not the case with a specific set of chromosomes.

Either way, it's down to what blows your kilt up as I said.

Bronx
13th May 2014, 18:06
TTN I'm getting the impression you dont quite approve of all this, Bronx?

I don't approve of taxpayers paying for it, like I don't approve of taxpayers paying for breast enlargements, penis enlargements etc.
If folks want to pay for it out of their own money that's their business.


I only said he must be an unusual bloke because, aside from the type of guys who get a kick out of sex with lady-boy prostitutes which I am NOT suggesting he is, I think most guys wouldn't want to be with a 'woman' who used to be a man and has had his bits chopped off.

Mac the Knife
13th May 2014, 18:32
"Towards the end of WWII and in the few years after apparently there was some kind of edict from the College of Surgeons that any babies born with indeterminate gender were to be surgically altered to make them male as the country was going to be short of men. It's the kind of thing they did in those days."

Can we have a citation? No? Didn't think so...

Mac

VP959
13th May 2014, 18:47
Bronx wrote:

I don't approve of taxpayers paying for it, like I don't approve of taxpayers paying for breast enlargements, penis enlargements etc.
If folks want to pay for it out of their own money that's their business.


I only said he must be an unusual bloke because, aside from the type of guys who get a kick out of sex with lady-boy prostitutes which I am NOT suggesting he is, I think most guys wouldn't want to be with a 'woman' who used to be a man and has had his bits chopped off.

This is the sort of attitude towards gender identity that used to prevail towards mental illness in Victorian times.

I worked with a very nice bloke who was, quite clearly, uncomfortable as a man. He coped with it by pretence, but one that was clearly very stressful. I liked him a great deal, and suspected for some time that he had a long standing gender identity issue. He was not gay, in fact he was married, albeit somewhat unhappily. Finally, in his mid-fifties he got up the courage and admit to having felt he was the wrong gender for at least 40 years. all those who knew him were, if anything, relieved, as it was obvious that, by telling us what we'd all guessed already, he was a very much happier and more confident person.

Over the next year or so, as he started the transition process (which is slow, with a great deal of counselling) we watched her confidence grow. The shy, nervous, but highly capable chap we'd all known transformed into a confident woman, and it was obvious to all of us that "he" had really, deep inside, been a woman all along. I continued to work alongside her for a couple of years after full transition, and can honestly say that I've never seen anyone seem more comfortable and happy with who they were.

I can understand the shallow and smutty comments, but it is worth remembering that gender identity isn't about sex or sexuality, or the type of bits someone has below, it's a deep and inherent feeling of being trapped in a body of the wrong gender. The chromosome argument is also a red herring, as they only form a small part of someone's gender identity. It is perfectly possible, in fact not that uncommon, for someone to have a physical gender (as determined by chromosomes and external appearance) that is different to their mental gender.

The world would be a happier place if people were more tolerant of genuine conditions, like gender identity.

Solid Rust Twotter
13th May 2014, 19:27
Interesting development. Same sex marriage is severely frowned upon in Zulu culture, yet both families seem OK with it. The strident response from ASA back when it made international headlines may sound somewhat hollow in light of this new twist. Mac may be the right person for the lowdown here...


Caster pays lobola for wife

2014-05-12 09:31


Cape Town - South African silver medallist Caster Semenya is reportedly set to marry girlfriend and fellow athlete Violet Raseboya.

Zulu weddings: Tradition versus modern ceremonies

According to the Daily Sun website, the 23-year-old Semenya has sent her parents to Raseboya's family in Polokwane to negotiate lobola - a traditional Southern African custom whereby the family of the fiancé is paid for her hand in marriage.

An insider revealed that both families were happy to negotiate lobola, with Semenya's family paying R25 000.

Semenya first shot to stardom in 2009 when she won gold in the women's 800m at the 2009 World Championships in Berlin, before being controversially subjected to gender testing.

She won a silver medal in the 800m at the 2012 London Olympics.

Preparations for the wedding are reportedly underway.


Of course, the chip wrapper mentioned as the source is not known for high standards of journalistic integrity.

500N
13th May 2014, 19:33
Well, the 24th Regiment of Foot will have to provide an honour guard at the wedding ;) :p :O

Along with a quick rendition of "Men of Harlech"

Solid Rust Twotter
13th May 2014, 19:45
Fahsands of guests arriving then, are they...?:}

Tankertrashnav
13th May 2014, 22:49
VP 959 - good, thoughtful post, thus a bit out of place on Jet Blast ;)