Phantom Friday

[twothree]

Suspect the picture was taken sometime prior to 1976 as LT A T Davies was somewhere else at the time of publication.

[twothree]

On the other hand, it may not be him in the aircraft. Or, the name may not have been changed from his previous tour.

[CoffmanStarter]

Many thanks Twothree :ok:

Slowly we unravel the detail ...

[twothree]

And another thing? Fletchers or centre-tank? And the Sparrow? Perhaps that might help with the actual date of the pic.

[Blaenffynnon]

Both are contactable but I would need to check with Taff.

[CoffmanStarter]

Many thanks Blaenffynnon :ok:

Clearly only if the guys would like to join us ... They would be most welcome ;)

[tarantonight]

Getting there...........

[tarantonight]

Coff,

You have a PM.

TN.

[CoffmanStarter]

TN ...

You have a reply :ok:

Best ...

Coff.

[Rhino power]

This weeks contribution...
(all images credit & copyright - Rob Schleiffert (flickr)

F-4G 69-0277/WW - 4485th TS, Det.5
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7416/13498432715_e32ebd5f6e_o.jpg

FGR.2 XV419/AA - 19 Sqn
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3178/13069829335_35ac15be9f_o.jpg

RF-4EJ 87-6406 - 501 Hikotai
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3761/13610318603_75560bfc17_o.jpg

And last, but by no means least, the very last F-4 ever built (by MHI in Japan) and delivered to the JASDF on 20th May 1981 (still in service with 301 Hikotai)...
F-4EJ Kai 17-8440 - 306 Hikotai
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7356/13653917814_968ea4b49b_o.jpg

-RP

[tartare]

All these years later and it still looks menacing.
I reckon it's something about the combination of anhedral tailplane and the dihedral wingtips.
That and the knowledge of the power needed to accelerate something of that size and weight to Mach 2+.
All hail the mighty toom.

[CoffmanStarter]

Tartare ...

You are spot on with your comments ... Forget all this 4th/5th Generation nonsense :ok:

[tartare]

Actually, I have unresolved F-4 issues from my childhood.
Dad comes back to NZ from the UK.
From Harrods I gets the Dinky Toy Harrier with the switch on top that rotates the nozzles and retracts the centre gear at the same time, and the Dinky Toy Jag with the plastic canopy that springs open and ejects the dayglo orange pilot.
Well he got lost in a couple of days.
But my younger sister - my bleedin' sister gets the Dinky Toy grey USS Saratoga F-4 with the white plastic detachable Sarjent Fletchers!!!
Dead envious I were.
Never been the same since.
Not even the Dinky Toy Tonka with the swing wings, or the Sea King that had a battery powered rotor and could winch up the plastic Apollo 11 capsule it came with could make up for it.
There was something covetous about that Phantom... I'd nick it, but she always found it...

[Dan Gerous]

One of the nick names the Toom had over the years was "The Double Ugly". Never saw it myself, a lot is said about its brute power, but I've always thought it looked like an aircraft, certainly looks aerodynamic and pleasing to my eye anyway. I must dig the slides out, scanned and posted on here.

[CoffmanStarter]

There you go ... this thread also offers much needed therapy for many of us !

[CoffmanStarter]

DG ... Yes please ! No need to delay until next Friday ...

[CoffmanStarter]

Yes, I know it's not Friday yet ... but a couple of pics worth sharing I thought ;)

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af162/CoffmanStarter/IMG_1376_zps7e9x4lo7.jpg

Image Credit : Unknown

892 NAS embarked on HMS Ark Royal, again probably early 70's

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af162/CoffmanStarter/IMG_1377_zpsrswgcbxs.jpg

Image Credit : Unknown

153 of 767 NAS (OCU) early 70's I guess ... location unknown (anyone what to have a stab ? I'm not sure it's Yeovilton)

Sorry I can't readily tie-up Airframe Serial No's on these pics :(

Best ...

Coff.

[Rhino power]

Coff, 153 of 767 NAS is XT868. It was lost later in a horrible accident at Leuchars on the 12/5/78. The second link has a few personal accounts of the accident...

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=82623

Feedback (http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Aircraft_by_Type/RAF_Phantom/feedback_19780512_Phantom.htm)

-RP

[CoffmanStarter]

Many thanks RP :ok:

[CoffmanStarter]

Just to help our good friend Tartare with a spot of long awaited therapy ...

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j315/DeadCanDanceR/ModelosJCK/Dinky%20Toys/03-8.jpg

Sorry USS Saratoga variant/decals... But might be of some help ;)

Clearly the Sargent Fletchers have been lost ...

Coff.

PS. Some of these Dinky Models if ... "Mint In Box" ... go for +£200 or so :eek:

[Hueymeister]

What are the red lines for on the rear of the ac fuselage? End of engine turbine/big whirly bits?:}

[CoffmanStarter]

At a guess Huey ...

危険ジェットブラスト :ok:

[Hueymeister]

my kung fu isn't what it used to be...any ideas?

[CoffmanStarter]

Danger Jet Blast ;)

[Hueymeister]

Danger Jet Blast ;)

Ah so! Thank you very much

[walbut]

The red stripe around the rear fuselage is in line with the turbine section of each engine. You are advised not to stand in line with the stripe when the engine is running as a turbine disc failure might not be contained and would be a distinct hazard if it comes hurtling sideways out of the engine. A blade failure should be contained, but better safe than sorry.

Walbut

[CoffmanStarter]

Thanks Walbut ...

Everyday you learn something new :ok:

[BEagle]

On the subject of F-4 models, or rather toys, Airfix should forever hang their heads in shame at this piece of utter junk they sold in the '70s:

watch?v=BqvHATKNKf0

'Super Flight Deck'.....:rolleyes:

[CoffmanStarter]

BEagle ... The most disappointing Christmas present I ever had :(

PS. I've just remembered that I was given the Mk1 Flight Deck (Grey F4) ... The so called Super Flight Deck had a few subtle mods ... But was equally cr@p compared with BEagle's video of the Mk2.

Mind you ... This is something else :eek:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WXEiVDK0p88

[Rhino power]

The VX-4 'Black Bunny' F-4J modelled in the youtube clip (BuNo 153783), actually ended up with the RAF as ZE352 on 74 Sqn... :)

-RP

[Roly]

The radio control model was awesome, as was its construction and flying. Well done that man.

[tartare]

Mother of God.
That's not a model - it's a small cruise missile!
And the landscape - plus the model MB339 in the background and the accents suggest to me it's Nu Zild.
Idea starts to form about how RNZAF could reactivate fast jets...

[CoffmanStarter]

Roly, Tartare ...

In respect to flying a model like that, at those speeds, it must require an acute sense of spatial awareness and coordination ... It's clearly challenging enough when you're sat with hands on the flying controls in the direction of flight ... But standing remote on the ground :eek:

[Roly]

Too right. Now if we can persuade him to build and fit some missiles and a gun (which he probably could), we'd have an excellent drone destroyer.......:cool:

[CoffmanStarter]

I know it's not Friday yet ... But I believe Phantoms from 54 Squadron undertook a non-stop flight from Coningsby to Tengah, Singapore 18 May 1970 (on this day 46 years ago).

I believe the first two aircraft set a World Record time (14 Hrs 14 Mins) only to be beaten by the second pair, 24 Hrs later by 6 Mins. :ok:

Do we have any members who were involved either in the actual trip by the F4's or other supporting role air or ground ... AAR for example.

There must be a few tales to share ...


Update ...

Just found this on the Flight Archive Site ... Bit of a shame the final part of the article appears to be missing :(

Flight Archive : June 1970 : 54 Squadron (https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1970/1970%20-%201070.html)

Acknowledgment : RAF AHB

[CoffmanStarter]

I understand this is the departure of the Lead Pair with XV419 as the Lead Aircraft flown by S/L's G Arkell-Hardwick and D Reed. I can't ID the other aircraft seen, which was crewed by F/L's J Armstrong and D Mayner. The Second Pair were crewed by S/L J Nevil, F/L J Straughan, F/L's J Walmsley and A Spencer.

http://i1004.photobucket.com/albums/af162/CoffmanStarter/CiuOAV_XEAEkMGb.jpg-large_zpspmor1ee8.jpg

Image Credit : MOD RAF AHB

Prior to the World Record Flight ... The Phantom was only cleared for 10 Hrs continuous operation. Problem solved by ... 6 circuits of the UK undertaking 5 AAR 'Prods' (15 Hrs) with the help of Marham's Victors (undertaken earlier in 1969) ;)

Rhino ... Have you any more info ?

[OK465]

Considering air-to-air re-oiling was not available, this may have been the initial limitation. Flew the TF-41 (Spey essentially) in the A-7....only engine I ever saw with a nucleonic oil quantity gage. In any case, 15 hrs may well have needed some oil servicing at destination.

I don't recall J-79s having that limitation (or an oil quantity gage). Although those look like F4Js.

[Rhino power]

Sorry, Coff, got no more info than that you've already provided... (good stuff, by the way! :ok: )

Although those look like F4Js.

OK465, the jets in the picture are FGR.2's (F-4M under McDonnell's nomenclature), the RAF did eventually fly the F-4J, but not until 1984 and we only had 15 of them... ;)

-RP

[dcain]

From IAT 91, there were two F-4s painted up for the 75th Anniversary of the RAF. This is XT899. Scanned from my own slide.

[dcain]

2nd of the two F-4s painted up for the RAF 75th Anniversary at IAT 91. XV408. Scanned from my own slide.

[Shackman]

CS - re the UK- Singapore record.

We called it SAR escort; went West from Changi, then turned round and came back so as to 'allow' the F-4s to pass overhead, as we were down about 2000ft, and they proceeded on their merry way to Tengah. I covered the second pair - our sortie was almost as long as their time from the UK - but at least we had Honkers Stew and a toilet!

Shortly afterwards a Boeing 707 (I think from Singapore Airlines) beat the record as well, but wasn't trumpeted quite as loudly.

Sorry; should have added airborne SAR cover for transiting fast jets over both Indian Ocean was a fairly standard task. The Indian ocean was covered by Shacks from Sharjah and Gan, whilst we took them from roughly mid point Gan to Singapore - the idea being if anything did go wrong any one of us could be on scene relatively quickly. The Singapore - Autralia route was less often covered, and more normally for Royal Flights (on one occasion we covered Prince Charles trip to Darwin - we left Changi 2 hours before he landed there, he passed over us as we were half way, and landed 2 hours after he left. He did at least leave a case of cold beer for us, but unfortunately the Aussies just left the empty bottles!).

[CoffmanStarter]

Thanks for that Shackman :ok:

It's the additional side stories, like yours, that bring the headline event to life ... The SAR 'cover' being very important :ok:

[Minnie Burner]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q286/planetpics/F-5E_NFWS_in_flight_with_F-4J_VX-4_1985small.jpg


There is a link with the on-going story!

[CoffmanStarter]

OK MB you've grabbed my attention ... Spill the beans :ok:

[GeeRam]

OK MB you've grabbed my attention ... Spill the beans

My guess is that the Black Bunny F-4 in the photo is the F-4J that became ZE352 in RAF service.....??



A more recent photo of ZE352 :(

http://www.urbanghostsmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Phantom-F4J-ZE352-cockpit.jpg

[Rhino power]

My guess is that the Black Bunny F-4 in the photo is the F-4J that became ZE352 in RAF service.....??

No, the jet in Minnie Burner's pic (155539) is an F-4S. ZE352 was formerly F-4J 153783, the RAF's F-4J's were brought up to F-4S spec, but minus the leading edge slats.

-RP

[GeeRam]

In that case........I'm intrigued as well as to the connection.... :confused:

[Rhino power]

This weeks offering for your consideration...

(All photos credit & copyright - A.Watanabe)

F-4N 153065/ND-206 - VF-302 'Stallions'
NAS Miramar, August 1975
http://nabe3saviation.web.fc2.com/images6/aF41u-38.jpg

F-4N 151006/NF-102 - VF-161 'Chargers'
NAF Atsugi, November 1976
http://nabe3saviation.web.fc2.com/images6/aF41u-32.jpg

F-4J 158351/NE-113 - VF-154 'Black Knights'
NAS Miramar, August 1975
http://nabe3saviation.web.fc2.com/images6/aF41u-30.jpg

F-4N 150634/NF-207 - VF-151 'Vigilantes'
NAF Atsugi, November 1976
http://nabe3saviation.web.fc2.com/images6/aF41u-23.jpg

F-4N 150475/NL-213 - VF-111 'Sundowners'
NAS Miramar, August 1975
http://nabe3saviation.web.fc2.com/images6/aF41u-15.jpg

F-4J 158378/NE-200 - VF-21 'Freelancers'
NAS Miramar, August 1975
http://nabe3saviation.web.fc2.com/images6/aF41u-02.jpg

-RP

[CoffmanStarter]

Rhino ... Pics not showing this end old chap ;)

[Rhino power]

Rhino ... Pics not showing this end old chap ;)

That's weird, I can see them on my pc... :confused:

-RP

*edit* - scratch that, just cleared my browser cache and now I can't see them either! Will try again later...

-RP

[Minnie Burner]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q286/planetpics/F-5E_NFWS_in_flight_with_F-4J_VX-4_1985small.jpg


There is a link with the on-going story! OK, it was tenuous. The Tiger II reminded me of the fate of the "FEAF Tiger" subsequent to the Ghost Trail. (And what happened to the 'surplus' F-4Ks).

[CoffmanStarter]

Thanks for clearing that up MB ;)

[nipva]

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/greswell/88-B60_zpsx1rwvg8z.jpg (http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/greswell/88-B60_zpsx1rwvg8z.jpg)

[Geordie_Expat]

http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/greswell/88-B60_zpsx1rwvg8z.jpg (http://i359.photobucket.com/albums/oo32/greswell/88-B60_zpsx1rwvg8z.jpg)


Told you not to use T-Cut !!!

[Rhino power]

I like the hi-tech 'brackets' securing the lighting rig... :}

-RP

[pasta]

I like the hi-tech 'brackets' securing the lighting rig
What's the problem? Solid as a rock!

[Rhino power]

27th May 1958...

On this day, Bob Little took to the air for the very first time in F4H-1 142295, marking the maiden flight of what was to become the Phantom II and thus, the beginning of the first 58 years of flight of the world's greatest ever Jet fighter!

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5394/1483/1600/bob%20little.1.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5394/1483/1600/bob%20little%20002.jpg

-RP

[CoffmanStarter]

A fitting tribute RP :ok:

[MPN11]

Was the 2nd seat an after-thought? Or was the prototype built differently?

Ahhh ... Wiki explains that, and much more.
the canopy was reworked to improve visibility and make the rear cockpit less claustrophobic.

[Rhino power]

Was the 2nd seat an after-thought? Or was the prototype built differently?

All the prototype F-4's were designed for two seats, but the early jets were only fitted with the pilot's seat. The redesigned canopy (and raised cockpit floor) was as a result of early crews complaining of poor visibility, the revised profile canopy was fitted from aircraft No.19 (Block 3, BuNo 146817).

-RP

[sfm818]

MPN11 at post # 559


Perhaps you were thinking along these lines.


Boeing Images - F3H-3G/H Super Demon Mockup, Prototype for the F-4 Phantom (http://www.boeingimages.com/archive/F3H-3G/H-Super-Demon-Mockup,-Prototype-for-the-F-4-Phantom-2F3XC5OQHEU.html)


More here.


http://aviationarchives.********.com/2016/05/f-3h-g-report-and-photos.html


Postimage.org / gallery - F3 H C General Arrangement, F3 H E General Arrangement, F3 H G 3 View (http://postimg.org/gallery/2gybqxwus/)

[MPN11]

Thanks, sfm818 ... I'd picked up the Super-Demon earlier. It was the singularly single-seater imagery of the F4H-1 that piqued my interest.

Welcome on board, by the way. Good to see new faces, and I hope you stick around and contribute.

[Roly]

Great looking jet and 2 internal 20mm cannon to boot!

[NutLoose]

Here you go, a relative Phantom fest.

Warbird Information Exchange ? View topic - Those Phantoms sure were colorful ... (http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=58168)

[CoffmanStarter]

Nice one Nutty ... Many thanks :ok:

I have a feeling our good friend Rhino will be just as appreciative ;)

[Rhino power]

I have a feeling our good friend Rhino will be just as appreciative ;)

You're not wrong, Coff, some real beauties there! :ooh:

-RP

[RAFEngO74to09]

Greek AF Phantoms arriving at RIAT 2016:



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[RAFEngO74to09]

Another Greek AF Phantom vids:


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[Lyneham Lad]

Good to see the Greek F4's and F16's participating. Is RIAT picking up their fuel bill? ;)

[OK465]

They may be bringing Raki to trade for jet fuel.....although both are similar.

BTW I have a photo of the original F4H-1 I took as a kid at an open house at Edwards AFB in the 50s. I can't post pics here but if anyone wants it, let me know, PM or otherwise, and how to get it to you. From same 50s display also have F-107, F-105, F-8, A-4 & B-52/X-15 combo. Would like to see 'em posted here.

[OK465]

Looks like I can post attachments now.

[OK465]

Here's the others:

[RAFEngO74to09]

ROKAF F-4E video - includes use of a MJ-4 "jammer" (armament speak) to load an AGM-142 Popeye

1bPQfj6NpAo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popeye_(missile)

[Rhino power]

This week's selection...
(via Digital Vigilante)

VF-101 F-4J masquerading as a F-4N (notice the AN/APR-30 RHAW antenna on the fin cap)
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8069/8201786284_807a67aba0_b.jpg

F-4D 65-0797/HL - 421st TFS / 388th TFW
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8376/8550614022_43cb40ebb5_b.jpg

F-4D 65-0684/WR - 78th TFS / 81st TFW
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8371/8367324521_d74e67d8e9_b.jpg

F-4E 74-1054/CR - 32nd TFS (The USAF's only 'Royal' squadron)
https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3703/11709745323_1797e43f49_b.jpg

F-4G 69-7579/SP - 81st TFS / 52nd TFW
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8480/8205454471_bbe25f2eb1_b.jpg

-RP

[RAFEngO74to09]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmtaq9yWYAALqA0.jpg

[GunRack]

Saw this and thought of you guys.

Apologies if its been posted before (and to any eagle drivers present).

pg8-mx4KGK8

[jpboy]

Sometimes a photo needs no caption...... feel free if you wish though! :}

[Wingswinger]

Pardon me if someone has already pointed this out but shouldn't the title of this thread really be Phantom Phriday?

Thanks for all the lovely pics.

WS ( who always wanted to fly Phantoms but had to put up with Hawker Hunters, Harriers and Tornados instead)

[charliegolf]

WS ( who always wanted to fly Phantoms but had to put up with Hawker Hunters, Harriers and Tornados instead)

You poor underprivileged thing, you. Grrr (jammy git).

CG

[Baggiebird]

Hi All, this is my first post on Prune! I'm a very lowly ppl and aviation enthusiast but I wanted to contribute to this great thread.
In 1984, I wrote to RAF Leuchars asking if I could go for a flight in a Phantom. Obvious answer, er no!! However, I was invited by the station PRO to visit the station. I did so on 15 August 1984 and had a fantastic few hours, visiting the crew room and QRA shed and aprons, where I was allowed to take photographs - mostly what I wished, apart from in particular close ups of the cockpits of 2 Harriers that were there. I had a reasonable 35mm film camera (Pentax KX) but somewhat inferior to what I now have. I have scanned 2 images from some old photographs that I hope you will like. Being able to sit in the cockpit of one and photograph the crew strapping in and starting up the adjacent jet is something that I will never forget! So thanks again to the RAF and of course the PRO:) I am a bit worried that the scanned images are going to be rather small in size but we'll see.

698

699

[Haraka]

If I may make a comment on the book "Phantom Boys" . Like all of this series it is excellent and many of us will know the characters and incidents so well reported. My only regret is that it seems to be dominated by the AD guys. 6 and 41( in particular) are ignored ,although they deployed to Cyprus in '74 to face off the Turkish invasion. 41 swept the board in RAF competitions in '75 ( and come to think of it 2 Squadron don't feature much either).

[dat581]

A second Harrier Boys is due out in a few days so it's possible a second Phantom Boys may appear. Not many stories from RN aircrew either so add them in with 6 and 41 then you have enough for another book.

[57mm]

A second Phantom boys is in the pipeline.

[Vzlet]

Some pretty nice helmet cam and ground-based video of two F-4s arriving at Oshkosh this week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVfUtgABNbM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40fY2IC-RLU

[NutLoose]

Excellent pictures Baggie, thanks

[Stitchbitch]

Thanks Vzlet. Those Phantoms are all due to be demilled, rendered unflyable and sent to a bombing range soon. Such a shame, I well remember watching F-4 TACEVAL airfield attacks from my bedroom window at Odiham, and catching the occasional glimpse of RAF and German F-4s through the trees while visiting Rhinedalen as a kid.

[Rhino power]

This Friday's offering comes in the form of the story of 'FANGO 45', an Idaho ANG RF-4C that found itself in a spot of bother (took a 20lb Tundra Swan through a windscreen side-panel) during a twilight low-level sortie, and the help rendered by another Idaho RF-4C crew, 'FANGO 43'.
An interesting read...

The amazing rescue of Fango 45 - Flight Journal (http://www.flightjournal.com/blog/2011/09/28/the-amazing-rescue-of-fango-45/)

-RP

[India Four Two]

I was at Oskosh and saw the two QF-4s arrive and then give a display later in the airshow. Note that the back seats have been removed.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/IMG_3383_zps7mkyll8n.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/IMG_3381_zpsdtjulgvz.jpg

Very nice displays although they didn't do a low and slow blown-flap pass, which was my favourite Phantom display. One of them had a very weak afterburner. What would cause that?

As Vzlet posted, there are some nice Youtube videos. I particularly like the helmet-cam one, as I spotted my tent during one of the cross-wind legs! :)
Note the Garmin GPS in the centre of the panel.

cVfUtgABNbM

h1QxsOmXVCE

40fY2IC-RLU

[dragartist]

If any of you get the chance I would thoroughly recommend Richard Graham lecture on the Wild Weasels. we had him at Cambridge RAeS last night. Some of you will know Rich from the SR71. He spoke last night about his time in Vietnam. I understand he is in the UK for a few weeks yet. You may catch him at Duxford under the SR71.

[RAFEngO74to09]

The QF-4E made it's final appearance at the Nellis AFB's Aviation Nation - my "local" airshow - this last weekend.

Video by the excellent videographer spencerhughes2255 - start taxy and flying from 3:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TtxTF9BHKM

4TtxTF9BHKM

[bobward]

Airfix have just announced that they will be producing a 1/72 Spey powered Phantom in 2017. Best information to hand suggests it will be the FG 1 and due out around October '17. Just in time for Christmas!

Hopefully they will also release it as the FGR 2 later, as there is a much wider selection of colours and units available with that version. In any event, the new Airfix kits are superb, so the old girl may finally be give plastic justice.

I know Fujimi did both versions 20 or so years ago. Sadly these kits are very rare and you need a second mortgage to buy them....

Start counting down Chaps!!:D:8:ok:

[RAFEngO74to09]

Low level in HD with nice J79 sound.

hszQcP2FEAo

[India Four Two]

EngO,

Great find - I like the RT call - "Jedi Transition"

Star Wars Canyon is actually Rainbow Canyon alongside Highway 190 as it climbs out of the Panamint Valley (west of Death Valley). The best vantage point is the Father Crowley Lookout. If you are visiting Death Valley, it's well worth the trip west to spend some time at the Lookout - take a lunch (and plenty of water) and watch for the high-speed passes. Best not to do this in the summer.

More information and some great videos here:
The Jedi Transition: A Canyon That Fighter Pilots Love To Scream Through (http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-jedi-transition-a-canyon-that-fighter-pilots-love-1678453195)

If you are feeling adventurous, you can hike the canyon, but it requires four rappels/abseils! :eek:
Rainbow Canyon, Death Valley - Christopher E. Brennen (http://www.dankat.com/swhikes/rainbo.htm)

[RAFEngO74to09]

India Four Two,

Thanks - I'll check that out sometime.

More of the QF-4E at Star Wars Canyon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvV1gIrZWpY

QF-4E flying at Holloman AFB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjZE5ZzFwNo

[glad rag]

A bit OT perhaps, but what was everybody's fav scheme? I do like the Asian camo scheme on that second toom BUT for me it has to be the European 1 lizard (?) scheme, boy it looked MEAN in typical wet dingy winter weather (and of course I can't now find an appropriate image...)

[57mm]

Black Mike for me, closely followed by the Playboy bunny F4.

[Dan Gerous]

Best RAF one for me was the 43 Sqn jet, (XV571?), that had 4 large black and white checks and a large fighting cock on the tail. Only saw it once fighting with a Sea Harrier over the borders, never photographed it. Best one I photographed was a 57FIS from Rekyavik that visited Lossie late 70's and it had the Asian scheme and the tail was Black and White checks.

[Rhino power]

Favourite camo scheme(s) for me are...

Euro 1 (Lizard)
http://www.sharpshooter-maj.com/Images/twtd04/1985/667768.jpg
( © Unknown/Via Aeroslides/Peter Greengrass Collection )

Closely followed by RAF Grey/Green
http://sg-etuo.de/media/stolze/XT874J-eduo-astolze.jpg
( © Wieland Stolze )

Closely followed by SEA Wraparound with low-viz national insignia
http://sg-etuo.de/media/xdb/SP74662_WesthDuepp.jpg
( © Thomas Westhoff-Düppmann )

-RP

[glad rag]

http://www.f-16.net/g3/var/resizes/f-16-photos/album11/album28/aab.jpg?m=1371900888


I don't think it takes too much imagination to visualise this from above flying over typical Germany countryside on a driech day..movement or not I think you'd need a reflection or reheat plume to spot it; bit different of it skylines on you mind..

[GeeRam]

A bit OT perhaps, but what was everybody's fav scheme?

These two for me.:cool:

http://img2.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/42/d1/skyhornet2002/folder/858381/img_858381_32804972_4?1388050392


But I also do like the early colourful USN scheme's like this 'Jolly Rogers' one.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fb/38/42/fb3842c815de6c272f2a4a9214baf282.jpg

[BEagle]

The normal RAF paint scheme in my brief F-4 time was 'Barley Grey'....

That is, if you could actually see it under the general grubbiness of hydraulic stains, oil stains from the blowholes, unburnt fuel residue and erks' DMS shoe scuffs...

When the German Navy came with their F-104s, we asked how it was that even the interior of their aircraft panels looked almost brand new, compared to our shabby looking jets...

"Ve haff conscripts" was the simple reply. They did indeed - who worked long hours and were proud to keep the aircraft looking smart.

[Vzlet]

Six minutes of splendid footage (https://player.vimeo.com/video/199142621) of Japanese Phantoms.

[Box Brownie]

Dan Gerous - another photo of a 43Sqdn aircraft.
I took the photo at Gaydon - '75/76?

[Lyneham Lad]

Six minutes of splendid footage of Japanese Phantoms.

Impressive! Thanks for the link. :ok:

[TEEEJ]

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h261/TOMMYJO/phantom.jpg

Published on 22 Mar 2016
A Training sortie followed by GCA into Leuchars/Lossie (not sure) from the late 80's early 90's?

See from 1:26 for the shadow part

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[tartare]

That Phantom low level video shows the one thing that really struck me about flying in a fast jet.
Not so much rushing sound of air or roaring of engines (which I had expected as a civilian) but just the hum of electrics and other systems in your ears - much like the sound you hear in a helicopter headset.
And you sit still, as the world moves and rotates abruptly around you.
Then there's a point where your stomach suddenly catches up with your eyes and your ears - and you have that horrible, sweaty, sickly feeling.
Didn't throw up but came bloody close.
Only alleviated by trying to fly the damn thing.
A most uncanny experience!

[Brian Abraham]

Over on the Tech Forum the question has been asked "why the tailpipes angled down".

http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/590850-f4-engines-angled-down-why.html

Thought this would be the best place to gain insight. Realise all designs are a result of compromises, but was there any overriding consideration. Pitching moment, structural reasons etc?

Did it reflect in the aircraft handling in any respect?

Thanks Folks.

[57mm]

They were angled down so that we could leave a smart jet wake on the sea during mock ship attacks......

[Saintsman]

Dan Gerous - another photo of a 43Sqdn aircraft.
I took the photo at Gaydon - '75/76?
Must have been pre September 75 as the aircraft crashed practicing for a Battle of Britain display.

[gzornenplatz]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmforum.com-vbulletin/800x452/f4_for_pprune_ad9d9d1ede38799af924e82a86dabffe96001b0b.jpg
Once upon a time we (228 OCU that is) had a visit from a photographer from a Dutch aviation magazine. He sat in the back making happy noises and taking loads of pictures. Afterwards he gave me a few 35mm slides. Here's one I scanned.

[Vzlet]

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x517/23952744034_51ce7423d9_c_cf610a1bf9c3a28380408a8867676d3bdaf 6d24d.jpg
Hahn bird at Ramstein, April 1981.

[essdee]

Must have been pre September 75 as the aircraft crashed practicing for a Battle of Britain display.

'Q' was at Gaydon for the 'Farewell to Gaydon' Air Show on 17 August 1975. As Saintsman rightly says, the aircraft was lost just a month later on 18 September. The photograph was taken just after the gear was retracted, the flaps still being lowered and the aux air doors open.

Incidentally, judging by the 'Q' on the fin, the photograph may well be a reverse image. That reminds me of the jape played by a certain RC who flew 'O' to Finningley for the BoB display there a day after 'Q' was lost. Judicious use of white tape (and black for the nosewheel door) meant that when it arrived back in Northern Dispersal at Leuchars it had a different identity. It spooked the groundcrew a bit, and I confess to being a little anxious when it was the only jet available for me and BM to do the last trip of the day at the Leuchars air show!

[sandozer]

'Q' was at Gaydon for the 'Farewell to Gaydon' Air Show on 17 August 1975. As Saintsman rightly says, the aircraft was lost just a month later on 18 September. The photograph was taken just after the gear was retracted, the flaps still being lowered and the aux air doors open.

Incidentally, judging by the 'Q' on the fin, the photograph may well be a reverse image. That reminds me of the jape played by a certain RC who flew 'O' to Finningley for the BoB display there a day after 'Q' was lost. Judicious use of white tape (and black for the nosewheel door) meant that when it arrived back in Northern Dispersal at Leuchars it had a different identity. It spooked the groundcrew a bit, and I confess to being a little anxious when it was the only jet available for me and BM to do the last trip of the day at the Leuchars air show!

Good spot, indeed the photo is
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1365x930/j_xt874_akrotiri_72_39a0285795d21b6900ecbcdc39c094c383165674 .jpg
Akrotiri, I think 1972.. That will be me doing a BF.
reversed. The yellow "RESCUE" is on the starboard side of the forward fuselage. Here is one of me taken a fair few years back in Akrotiri, the big zap from our Italian friends in Grazzinese.

[Dark Helmet]

Great picture Sandozer! Brings back memories.

[Geriatric old ground]

I saw them off and I saw them back in again. Are there any 14 Sqn groundcrew from the early 70's still kicking around?

[Dan Gerous]

Solway Museum are painting their Phantom XV406, back to a camo scheme. This used to be the gate guard at 14MU at Carlisle.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x528/carlisle_toom_01_01ca053a396d7e471e9747c9c7d858839901fadb.jp g


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x516/carlisle_toom_02_aa838ca95d1518ccaed0b356dd8bffd3a5a5ee8c.jp g

[Tashengurt]

Solway Museum are painting their Phantom XV406, back to a camo scheme. This used to be the gate guard at 14MU at Carlisle.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x528/carlisle_toom_01_01ca053a396d7e471e9747c9c7d858839901fadb.jp g


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x516/carlisle_toom_02_aa838ca95d1518ccaed0b356dd8bffd3a5a5ee8c.jp g

Bit of a shame I think the, OCU colour scheme was the one I remember.
I always liked that jet because the serial No. was the same as my then girlfriends phone number, 406! (Short numbers in Leuchars!)

[tremblerman]

That is not an OCU paint job.
It is a Trembler (111 Sqn.).

[weemonkey]

Solway Museum are painting their Phantom XV406, back to a camo scheme. This used to be the gate guard at 14MU at Carlisle.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x528/carlisle_toom_01_01ca053a396d7e471e9747c9c7d858839901fadb.jp g


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x516/carlisle_toom_02_aa838ca95d1518ccaed0b356dd8bffd3a5a5ee8c.jp g

NOPE! First is far more representative of the aircraft I knew. Looks 1000% more businesslike too!!

[wiggy]

OK....it may well be the piccy/camera angle or my ageing eyes but that centreline tank doesn't quite look "right"...have I miss remembered?

[Tashengurt]

That is not an OCU paint job.
It is a Trembler (111 Sqn.).
Huh? The bottom one is, agreed. (Never mind)
The top one's definately OCU.

[BEagle]

The One Eleven ;) squadron nose marking is incomplete, green/grey camouflage is incorrect for an aircraft fitted with TESS and the centreline store is unusual.

Whereas the 64(R) painted original was correct.

[Dominator2]

K....it may well be the piccy/camera angle or my ageing eyes but that centreline tank doesn't quite look "right"...have I miss remembered?

Wiggy - I quite agree, that is not the CL Tank that the RAF flew with. Not quite sure what tank it is?

Equally flying in B Fit was not the norm in the RAF until 74 Sqn equipped with the F4J with the American High g tank. The RN used B Fit due to Carrier weight limitations.

[GeeRam]

XV406, 42 years ago.......

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1024x660/1152838_large_63fe3da73031e645560248c74711c03a3247657e.jpg

[Minnie Burner]

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1432x832/vn_f_4_e57e585e92ca46d8144d65ee143c3a2269048181.jpg

[Rhino power]

...74 Sqn equipped with the F4J with the American High g tank. The RN used B Fit due to Carrier weight limitations.

74(F)s F-4Js never had the high-g C/L tank, it was the standard 600 gal McDonnell item...

-RP

[Tashengurt]

I've seen the tank on 406 and it's neither a baggage pod or faired SUU. It was hanging on by one lug a few years ago.

[Dan Gerous]

Never noticed the tank, but I think it may be a spare they had lying around at the museum. I'm not claiming any knowledge on the subject, but it may be off the Meteor they have there. The 111 Scheme is obviously unfinished. The museum is only open at certain times, so I couldn't get any info, as there was no one there to ask. It may be the angle I took the 2 pics at, but the thing that struck me when comparing it with the old pic of the 64 Sqn markings was the similarity between the 2 versions of the Tornado. The black nose on the 111 marked pic appears to make it look more squat than the grey 64 pic, which has a sleeker looking effect, similar to the difference between a camo GR1 and a grey F3 Tornado.

[tremblerman]

The 228 OCU F4s had the 64 Sqdn Scarab Beetle on the fins when I was on the line.
I still have know idea who I upset during training to get a wondrous posting like that!!!

[Dominator2]

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/541x361/64_sqn_858d14f171e88bf5cddae54f2687bf79894c0562.jpg
64(R) markings in 1982 when I joined as an Instructor. Scarab was even one of our squadron callsigns.

[Rhino power]

*WARNING: Viewer discretion is advised, may cause grown men to suffer moist eyes!*

Stunning video of the last few weeks of 302 Hikotai Phantom ops...
Just two Phantom squadrons remain in JASDF service now, 301 Hikotai with the F-4EJ Kai and 501 Hikotai, with the RF-4E Kai and RF-4EJ Kai and these too will finally relinquish their last F-4s in 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfc7qBVplxQ

-RP

[Saintsman]

No link for me?

[RAFEngO74to09]

Great stuff for those of us who still love seeing the beast and the memories it brings back !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlfxZah1A5k

[India Four Two]

It’s still Friday where I am! I just stumbled on this marvelous video:

https://youtu.be/rT_gLtwAjBs

[MPN11]

Interesting dragging the brake chutes all the way to the ramp.

[India Four Two]

I noticed that too. Since these were last flights, they probably didn't care about wear and tear on the chutes.

[Lyneham Lad]

I noticed that too. Since these were last flights, they probably didn't care about wear and tear on the chutes.

As regards 'wear', one of the front-seaters seemed to have forgotten to wear his bone-dome...

[23sq]

This is a list of all the Phantom manuals I have in PDF. If any are of use to someone on here I would gladly send copies

AP101B-0900-1A General

AP101B-0900-1B Corrosion Control & Decontamination (Paint)

AP101B-0900-1C Structure, Hydraulics, Bleed Air & Pneumatics

AP101B-0900-1D Flight Controls

AP101B-0900-1E Services Systems

AP101B-0900-1F Air Systems

AP101B-0900-1G Safety & Survival

AP101B-0900-1H Propulsion Systems

AP101B-0900-1J Air Induction System

AP101B-0900-1K Fuel System

AP101B-0900-L Elect Power Supply & Distribution System

AP101B-0900-1M Lighting & Centralised Warning System

AP101B-0900-1N Misc. Instruments

AP101B-0900-1P Air Data Computer Set

AP101B-0900-1Q Automatic Flight Control System

AP101B-0900-1R Armament Systems

AP101B-0900-1Y Materials USA/UK Equivalents

AP101B-0900-1Z List of Publications

AP101B-0900-13 FG1, FGR2& F4-J Modification Lists

AP101B-0901-1B FG1 Communication, Radio Navigation & Identification System

AP101B-0901-1C FG1 Navigation, Flight Director & Bombing Systems

AP101B-0902-1A FGR2 Systems Integration

AP101B-0902-1B FGR2 Communication, Radio Navigation & Identification System

AP101B-0902-1C FGR2 Attitude Reference, Flight Director & LCOSS

AP101B-0902-1E FGR2 Inertial Navigation & Attack System INAS

AP101B-0902-1F FGR2 Reconnaissance Systems

AP101-0900-3A1 Illustrated Parts Manual – Index

AP101-0900-3A2 Illustrated Parts Manual – Airframe

AP101-0900-3A3 Illustrated Parts Manual – Mechanisms, Controls & Ejection Seats

AP101-0900-3A4 Illustrated Parts Manual – Utility, Hydraulics & Pneumatics Systems

AP101-0900-3A5 Illustrated Parts Manual – Instrumentation, Electrical & Electronic Systems

AP101-0900-3A6 Illustrated Parts Manual – Fuel System, Power Plant & Related Systems

AP101-0900-3A7 Illustrated Parts Manual – Special Support Equipment & Armament

AP101-0900-3C/3D Scales of Ground Support Equipment/ Scales of A/C Servicing Spares

AP101B-0900-5A2 Safety & Servicing Notes

AP101B-0900-6A1 SRI – General Information

AP101B-0900-6A2 Structural Repair Instructions (SRI) - Fixed Structure

AP101B-0900-6A3 SRI – Doors & Removable Panels

AP101B-0900-6A4 SRI – Control Surfaces & Removable Structural Components

AP101B-0900-6A5 SRI – Typical Repairs, Repair of Special Structure & Sealing

AP101B-0902-10A1 FGR2 Wiring manual

AP101B-0902-10A2 FGR2 Wiring manual

AP101B-0902-10B1 FGR2 Wiring manual

AP101B-0902-10B2 FGR2 Wiring manual

AP101B-0901-15A FG1 Aircrew Manual

AP101B-0901-15B FG1 Aircrew Weapons Manual

AP101B-0902-15A FGR2 Aircrew Manual

AP101B-0902-15B FGR2 Aircrew Manual – Weapons System

AP101B-0903-1HA F-4J(UK) J79 Principles of Operation

AP101B-0903-1HB F-4J(UK) J79 Testing & Troubleshooting

AP101B-0903-1HC F-4J(UK) J79 System Maintenance

AP101B-0903-15A F-4J(UK) Aircrew Manual

AP102C-2401-1A1, 1A2 & 1A3 J79-GE-8 & -10 Bay Maintenance

AP112F-0701-1 CADC

FG1 & FGR2 Plane Captain’s Handbook

RAF Weapons Course Notes (Early). Mud Mover days and covers Mk5 Seat

RAF Phantom GSE Handbook

MACE report – Phantom Engineering Data Review dated May 1987

DFS Review No96 Phantom 7 year review

AP102C-1101/1102/1105-3A Spey 202/203 Illustrated Parts Catalogue

AP108E-0529-12 PSP Type ZD

AP109B-0137-1 MB Ejection Seat Type 7A General & Technical Information

AP109B-0137-3A MB Ejection Seat Type 7A Parts manual

AP109B-0137-5F MB Ejection Seat Type 7A Bay Maintenance Schedule

AP118M-0501-13 LAU 7A Launcher

American manuals

F4H-1 Structure McDD Pub SEDR 148

F4H-1 Air Induction System

F4 Accident Investigation Workbook

F4 Serial No Conversion Chart

NAVWEPS 01-245FDA-3-1 McDD F4A,B&RF4B Phantom SRI Levels C to F Maint

F4B,C Plane Captain’s HB

F4B,J Ordnanceman’s HB

F4B,J,RF4B Plane Captain’s HB

TO 1F-4C-3-1-1 McDD F4C,D,E&RF4C Phantom SR Org

TO 1F-4C-3-1-2 McDD F4C,D,E&RF4C Phantom Fixed Str

TO 1F-4C-2-8 McDD F4C Phantom Power Plant

TO 1F-4(R)C-1CL-1 RF4C Aircraft Checklist

F4C J-79 Emergency Instructions

McDD Phantom F/RF-4C/D/E Crew Chief’s HB

F4C,D,E Armament Systems HB

TO 1F-4C-1 McDD F4C,D&E Phantom FM

TO 1F-4E-1 McDD F4E Phantom FM

TO 1F-4C-1-2 McDD F4E Phantom Thunderbird Config

F4E Armament HB

TO 1F-4G-1 F4G Wild Weasel Flight Manual

NAVAIR 01-245FDD-1 NATOPS McDD F4J Phantom FM

[Rhino power]

As regards 'wear', one of the front-seaters seemed to have forgotten to wear his bone-dome...

Nope, all were wearing their helmets...

-RP

[XV410]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1124/892077_10200786539563617_71758723_o_422969b9e994fab10171e2ee fe2393870f284ff0.jpg
I think I can show this now

[XV410]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/492x492/632df5f9_4f5f_49a2_982a_716ec834240a_e27177d5dc231695175167e 8d7d8c25d83ac52c6.jpg

[Vendee]

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1124/892077_10200786539563617_71758723_o_422969b9e994fab10171e2ee fe2393870f284ff0.jpg
I think I can show this now

Obviously the parking brake was up to it. Personally, I would have splashed out on a third chock under the nosewheel.

I once had to ground run a Jaguar at a Canadian Starfighter base in Germany following an engine change. The Canadians kept asking where I wanted the chains attached to. It was rather embarrassing to explain how little thrust there was on one Jag engine and that a full reheat run with just chocks would be fine. :ok:

[XV410]

Toe brakes pressed and emergency brakes strapped on, 13.700lb fuel and an aircraft weight of circa 32,000lb empty so quite a bit of weight. 20,500lb thrust from the LH engine and about 12,000lb thrust on the RH engine, all it does is compress the nose leg slightly. Does burn the grass though

[Dark Helmet]

Now we’re talking!
I didn’t possess a camera in those days but the experience of being on the ‘sheep dip’ at max reheat will simply never leave me. A similar feeling to being outside on a Tornado double reheat run!

[XV410]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/720x477/37599832_10216525214660658_8132575116765691904_n_276__5decb6 04b6ee3c961818dfea7b65bb7da7221ee4.jpg
The heart of the beast, well RAF/RN only

[Dark Helmet]

XV410: Great picture!

[Vzlet]

What's the purpose of the ramps in #641 above?

[57mm]

To angle the jetpipes upward away from the ground?

[XV410]

And to stop chipping the concrete, digging the tarmac up, burning the grass.

[Trumpet trousers]

And to stop chipping the concrete, digging the tarmac up, burning the grass.
Well, if you had a real fighter with 2 engines properly located one above the other, the problem simply wouldn’t occur! 😉

[Vzlet]

Thanks, gentlemen.
(It seems rather obvious now, in hindsight!) :O

[NutLoose]

You may be unaware but a team have been set up to recover the Phantom that was on the burning pan at Manston, and ownership has been transferred I believe, more details here.

https://www.key.aero/forum/historic-aviation/147103-british-phantom-aviation-group-official-topic?page=5

[Dominator2]

Trumpet,

You obviously flew that "Vertical Twin Jet" that was designed as an interceptor not a fighter. Good aircraft with very limited weapons capability.

You are obviously envious of the Phantom II to write on this thread? Most of us believe that it was a true honour to have flown such a great aircraft

Remember that the F4 Phantom was one of the best Multi Role jets ever built. Only to be bettered by the F15E and some of the more recent 5th generation aircraft.

[Phantom Driver]

Well, if you had a real fighter with 2 engines properly located one above the other, the problem simply wouldn’t occur! 😉

Ahh, English Electric ; now them were the days. (Hawker , Gloster, Blackburn , etc etc ; long gone now . Brings tears to the eyes...) .
But one has to admit the Lightning also had , like the F4 , a certain " je ne sais quoi ", aka "character " . However , being slightly biased , my vote has to go with Dominator-

Most of us believe that it was a true honour to have flown such a great aircraft
Remember that the F4 Phantom was one of the best Multi Role jets ever built. Only to be bettered by the F15E and some of the more recent 5th generation aircraft.

I would probably add the F16 to that list . If we spotted them at low level over the North German plains , the usual call was --"F 16's ? Run , lads ! "

[Ascend Charlie]

Wasn't the brit version of the F4 the slowest, fuel-burningest, draggiest, ugliest version of the F4 ever built? All to give Roys-Rollce a leg-up for local content.

[Rhino power]

Wasn't the brit version of the F4 the slowest, fuel-burningest, draggiest, ugliest version of the F4 ever built? All to give Roys-Rollce a leg-up for local content.

slowest? Yes, for ultimate top speed at higher altitudes.
fuel-burningest? No, the Spey had lower SFC than the J79.
draggiest? Yes.
ugliest? No, no versions of the F-4 were/are ugly! They Spey engined ones were just 'beefier' looking!

-RP

[walbut]

In response to XV410's posts above I have a reminiscence from what was then HSA at Holme on Spalding Moor. The airfield was surrounded by farmland away from the village in an area known locally as Land of Nod. We had a similar engine running bay with two ramps for the main wheels of the Phantoms and a 'venetian blind' type of jet blast deflector at either end. In the 1980's we were investigating a problem reported by the RAF - the good old days when they raised F760 which were followed up by industry investigations. The aircraft had a pair of fuel transfer pumps in tanks 4 and 6, one electric, one driven by a hydraulic motor. The electric pumps ran continuously when electrical power was available. The hydraulically driven ones ran when running in reheat, to keep the collector tanks full under the high engine fuel flowrates, or in the event of an electrical failure. However the hydraulic motors would occasionally fail for some unknown reason, possibly vibration when running in reheat or possibly a pressure fluctuation in the utility hydraulic system.
We instrumented an aircraft by fitting pressure transducers in the hydraulic motor supply lines and recording fuel contents from the aircraft gauging system. As a first step we decided we would do a sustained engine run from full internal fuel down to the level where tanks 3-7 had emptied so we knew the motors had experienced the transition from the pumps pumping fuel to pumping air. I always enjoyed an aircraft engine run so I was outside alongside the aircraft while my instrumentation colleague watched the paper spool out of the UV recorder in the cabin. After about five minutes running in full burner with two Spey 202s thundering away while swallowing around a 100 gallons of Avtur a minute, the concrete behind the aircraft began to spall and saucer sized chunks of concrete began to be hurled into the jet blast deflectors, bounced up into the air and rained down on the surrounding countryside including the road that ran around the airfield perimeter. At the end of the run I walked back into the cabin to look at the traces and the phone rang. I picked up the receiver and the irate voice of a local farmer on the line asked 'What the f*****g hell are you b*****s up to now, your'e driving my bullocks berserk' I explained that we were carrying out a special test, we had finished for the day and it was not going to be a regular event.
Subsequent analysis showed there were large hydraulic pressure spikes as the pump transitioned from pumping fuel to pumping air. Alas there was no easy solution, at least not within the MoD budget or inclination, so as far as I can remember, nothing further was done.

Walbut

[Dark Helmet]

Walbut: Lovely anecdote!
I remember we used to stand behind the blast deflector and watch the reheat light up. A great sight: especially at night. I don't think it would be allowed these days.

[Dominator2]

Phantom Driver,

If we spotted them at low level over the North German plains , the usual call was --"F 16's ? Run , lads ! "

That may have been true in the late 80s but certainly to at the start. When Beauvechain first got their F16s they preferred to operate with the Wildenrath FGR2s. Although the F4 radar display was rudimentary we had good detection ranges and we knew where we were (mostly). That was where we developed MFFO to great effect. We even went to the Richthofen Wing and briefed them on the concept. Bearing in mind that the F4F only had a Pulse radar in those days.

Certainly, one did not want to mix it with an F16 with our 2 wing tanks AND Center Line Gun Pod. The AIM9L made a great difference once that became available to the RAF.

Even the F15s from Soesterberg flew on our wing on many occasions in the murky weather at low level in North Germany.

[Shackman]

Ah - the Land of Nod. Actually a farm approx 1km north east of H-o-S M; one of my favourite targets for rotary students to find when doing spot nav at 100ft after departure from Leconfield.

[DuncanDoenitz]

Wrong side of the drag-curve with this, (posted 14 March 2019), but are you sure that is XV406 "M"??

In preparation for a Station Open Day, the Sqn had commisioned hundreds of "Squadron Prints" of the subject aircraft, and the plan was to have it on static display in the hangar; punters could then have their photo taken sat in the actual aircraft and buy a Squadron Print as a souvenir. Nice little earner for Sqn funds.

In the event '406 suffered an engine failure the day before the show and had an engine removed. We towed it across to the "sterile" south side of the airfield and hid it in a revetment. Next, an alternative aircraft is put on static display, fablon over its true markings, get the painters in and, voila, XV406 "M" has a doppelganger (on one side only).

[Shackman]

Ahh - the Land of Nod, Actually a farmhouse apporx 1k north east of Holme and one of my favourite targets for the rotary students doing spot nav at 100ft (another was the Ellerside Breast Plantation in the Lake District).
But I do miss the sight and sound of the F4 and Lightning these days - and if truth be said the once heard never forgotten sound of the Voodoo!

[NutLoose]

Wrong side of the drag-curve with this, (posted 14 March 2019), but are you sure that is XV406 "M"??

In preparation for a Station Open Day, the Sqn had commisioned hundreds of "Squadron Prints" of the subject aircraft, and the plan was to have it on static display in the hangar; punters could then have their photo taken sat in the actual aircraft and buy a Squadron Print as a souvenir. Nice little earner for Sqn funds.

In the event '406 suffered an engine failure the day before the show and had an engine removed. We towed it across to the "sterile" south side of the airfield and hid it in a revetment. Next, an alternative aircraft is put on static display, fablon over its true markings, get the painters in and, voila, XV406 "M" has a doppelganger (on one side only).

The final RAF Jaguar print for 20 Sqn is similar, short one jet, nooo problem, borrow one, slap on some masking tape and hey presto a full set.

[TEEEJ]

A blast from the past!
8yv8Og0MO6s

[Ascend Charlie]

I thought the Hush House was for Harriers?

He says "Idle" and the A/B goes to full.
"What RPM you got?"
"50%" as the flames blaze out the back.
I suppose these people are now the Aviation Experts for the BBC TV?

[Rhino power]

I thought the Hush House was for Harriers?

Why would the Hush House be for Harriers on a Phantom base?

-RP

[Vendee]

Why would the Hush House be for Harriers on a Phantom base?

-RP
Don't tell him.... its all hush hush :=

Perhaps he meant "Hash House Harriers"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_House_Harriers

[NutLoose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7G1rvmwfIk

[tremblerman]

As far as I can remember, the ramp was used because, at Max Mil Power with reheat, the wee beastie was known to vent fuel from the vent pipe under the rudder.
This was why No. 7 tank was locked out and not used.
Buttons in the [starboard wheel well I think] wirelocked shut with something that looked like baling twine.

[walbut]

Reading Post 668 above reminded me of another similar accident I was involved with in the same area. In December 1980 Phantom XV414 crashed about 10 miles north east of Great Yarmouth. The aircraft had been practicing interceptions at night with another Phantom when the crew noticed they had used more fuel than expected. They aborted the sortie and turned to return to Wattisham when the right engine fire warning illuminated and the navigator could see the reflection of a rear fuselage fire in the outer wing panel. The pilot shut down the RH engine but the LH engine fire warning caption then illuminated. The crew ejected and were successfully picked up by a search and rescue helicopter within 30 minutes The aircraft crashed into the sea about 200 yards from a lightship but despite an extensive search no significant wreckage could be found.
Flight Systems at BAe Brough were tasked with providing advice to the Board of Inquiry and we wrote a short report suggesting three possible causes of a major fuel leak and fire. The most probable, we thought was an engine bay fuel feed pipe had fractured or chafed. The bellows of the pipe connecting to the engine backing pump was particularly prone to damage due to chafing from the covering braiding and pressure pulsations in the system when reheat was selected. A second possibility was a fuel pipe on the engine had failed. One of the pipes, I can't remember which, was prone to fatigue failure if the engine was allowed to run out of fuel. The third possibility was a fuselage bag tank failure but we thought this was the least likely as we would have expected it to be progressive and picked up early as a result of fuel leaking from the tank bay drains. The report went off to the B of I and we heard no more for several months.
About 7 months later a local fisherman located the wreckage and, rumour had it, approached MoD and said you give me £X000 and I will give you back the remains of your aircraft. A fair proportion of the wreckage was recovered and dumped in a hangar at RAF Wattisham. I was advised by my boss at the time that an RAF engineering officer was convinced the cause of the accident was a fuselage tank failure. I seem to remember the RAF engineer was called Bob Jones but I can't remember his rank and I never met him. I was asked to go down to Wattisham and have a look at the remains of the aircraft and spent a couple of weeks in the hangar trying to piece together a picture of what happened. I had never done anything like this before but I basically drew out a chalk centreline down the hangar floor, marked out fuselage stations and buttock lines and started looking for bits in the centre and rear fuselage and laying them out in the approximately correct locations. The local BAe rep, who I think would have been Jock Shepherd provided assistance with access to tech pubs and drawings A pretty clear picture emerged in that there were no signs of fire around the front of the engine bay where the suspect feed pipes were placed. However there was clear evidence of a fire in the vented compartment under the tank floors and above the engine bay. I can't remember where the fire appeared to have started but it was probably under tanks 5 or 6. It looked like Bob Jones, if that was his name, was correct. The tank sidewall had probably cracked as a result of fatigue induced by pressure variations in the tank, this had cut or chafed through the rubber bag tank and fuel had leaked in large quantities down into the engine bay. The vented cavity under the tank floors should have been sealed to prevent fuel leaking down this path but it looked like it had found a way through and been ignited by a hot surface on the engine or possibly use of reheat.
Subsequently a mod programme was introduced to fit a liner in the tank bays to protect the bag tanks in the event of cracks developing in the tank structure.
One of the engines in the hangar stank to high heaven as a result of a large crab which had died, lodged up against the front of the LP compressor. I have another souvenir of the incident, although I cant put my hands on it at present. I had to take a colour blindness test to be permitted to drive on the airfield. This was successful and I was presented with a chit, by a probably dyslexic RAF corporal, that said Gareth Jones of British Earospace is approved to drive on Wattisham airfield. I also still have the photos, a selection of which are shown below. I never found out how much the fisherman was paid.
Walbut


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[NutLoose]

Want one???

85% completed restoration rebuild so far and up for sale, worlds only potentially flyable private Phantom

see

https://www.platinumfighters.com/phantom2


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[Dominator2]

completed restoration rebuild so far and up for sale, worlds only potentially flyable private Phantom

I was under the impression that Hawker Hunter Aviation Ltd (HHA) owns a fully fully airworthy and flyable F4F (Ex GAF)?

Anyone have any updates? i

[Green Flash]

The Collings Foundation has one too https://www.collingsfoundation.org/aircrafts/f-4d-phantom/

[Rhino power]

I was under the impression that Hawker Hunter Aviation Ltd (HHA) owns a fully fully airworthy and flyable F4F (Ex GAF)?

Anyone have any updates? i
They still have their spares/ground trainer (37+89) at Scampton, the 'flyer' (ZK848, ex 38+48) is still in Germany and, I understand, has never flown since retirement in 2012, I'm not even sure if it's had any anti-det runs, the last pics I saw of it, it was in a hangar with something along the lines of 'do not de-mil, private use' scrawled on the side under the cockpit...

-RP

[GeeRam]

The Collings Foundation has one too https://www.collingsfoundation.org/aircrafts/f-4d-phantom/

The Collings Foundation have had their's for a number of years and were indeed the first civilian (non-mil contract) operated F-4 Phantom in the world.

However, since the fatal crash of their B-17G last October, I'm not sure whether the F-4, or their F100 and A-4 have been flown, and certainly not for paid flights, with their FAA exemption being withdrawn, and not likely to be reinstated without some drastic changes, or maybe never with the likely lawsuits coming in their direction once the report is out.

[Williams_World]

This is a list of all the Phantom manuals I have in PDF. If any are of use to someone on here I would gladly send copies

AP101B-0900-1A General

AP101B-0900-1B Corrosion Control & Decontamination (Paint)

AP101B-0900-1C Structure, Hydraulics, Bleed Air & Pneumatics

AP101B-0900-1D Flight Controls

AP101B-0900-1E Services Systems

AP101B-0900-1F Air Systems

AP101B-0900-1G Safety & Survival

AP101B-0900-1H Propulsion Systems

AP101B-0900-1J Air Induction System

AP101B-0900-1K Fuel System

AP101B-0900-L Elect Power Supply & Distribution System

AP101B-0900-1M Lighting & Centralised Warning System

AP101B-0900-1N Misc. Instruments

AP101B-0900-1P Air Data Computer Set

AP101B-0900-1Q Automatic Flight Control System

AP101B-0900-1R Armament Systems

AP101B-0900-1Y Materials USA/UK Equivalents

AP101B-0900-1Z List of Publications

AP101B-0900-13 FG1, FGR2& F4-J Modification Lists

AP101B-0901-1B FG1 Communication, Radio Navigation & Identification System

AP101B-0901-1C FG1 Navigation, Flight Director & Bombing Systems

AP101B-0902-1A FGR2 Systems Integration

AP101B-0902-1B FGR2 Communication, Radio Navigation & Identification System

AP101B-0902-1C FGR2 Attitude Reference, Flight Director & LCOSS

AP101B-0902-1E FGR2 Inertial Navigation & Attack System INAS

AP101B-0902-1F FGR2 Reconnaissance Systems

AP101-0900-3A1 Illustrated Parts Manual – Index

AP101-0900-3A2 Illustrated Parts Manual – Airframe

AP101-0900-3A3 Illustrated Parts Manual – Mechanisms, Controls & Ejection Seats

AP101-0900-3A4 Illustrated Parts Manual – Utility, Hydraulics & Pneumatics Systems

AP101-0900-3A5 Illustrated Parts Manual – Instrumentation, Electrical & Electronic Systems

AP101-0900-3A6 Illustrated Parts Manual – Fuel System, Power Plant & Related Systems

AP101-0900-3A7 Illustrated Parts Manual – Special Support Equipment & Armament

AP101-0900-3C/3D Scales of Ground Support Equipment/ Scales of A/C Servicing Spares

AP101B-0900-5A2 Safety & Servicing Notes

AP101B-0900-6A1 SRI – General Information

AP101B-0900-6A2 Structural Repair Instructions (SRI) - Fixed Structure

AP101B-0900-6A3 SRI – Doors & Removable Panels

AP101B-0900-6A4 SRI – Control Surfaces & Removable Structural Components

AP101B-0900-6A5 SRI – Typical Repairs, Repair of Special Structure & Sealing

AP101B-0902-10A1 FGR2 Wiring manual

AP101B-0902-10A2 FGR2 Wiring manual

AP101B-0902-10B1 FGR2 Wiring manual

AP101B-0902-10B2 FGR2 Wiring manual

AP101B-0901-15A FG1 Aircrew Manual

AP101B-0901-15B FG1 Aircrew Weapons Manual

AP101B-0902-15A FGR2 Aircrew Manual

AP101B-0902-15B FGR2 Aircrew Manual – Weapons System

AP101B-0903-1HA F-4J(UK) J79 Principles of Operation

AP101B-0903-1HB F-4J(UK) J79 Testing & Troubleshooting

AP101B-0903-1HC F-4J(UK) J79 System Maintenance

AP101B-0903-15A F-4J(UK) Aircrew Manual

AP102C-2401-1A1, 1A2 & 1A3 J79-GE-8 & -10 Bay Maintenance

AP112F-0701-1 CADC

FG1 & FGR2 Plane Captain’s Handbook

RAF Weapons Course Notes (Early). Mud Mover days and covers Mk5 Seat

RAF Phantom GSE Handbook

MACE report – Phantom Engineering Data Review dated May 1987

DFS Review No96 Phantom 7 year review

AP102C-1101/1102/1105-3A Spey 202/203 Illustrated Parts Catalogue

AP108E-0529-12 PSP Type ZD

AP109B-0137-1 MB Ejection Seat Type 7A General & Technical Information

AP109B-0137-3A MB Ejection Seat Type 7A Parts manual

AP109B-0137-5F MB Ejection Seat Type 7A Bay Maintenance Schedule

AP118M-0501-13 LAU 7A Launcher

American manuals

F4H-1 Structure McDD Pub SEDR 148

F4H-1 Air Induction System

F4 Accident Investigation Workbook

F4 Serial No Conversion Chart

NAVWEPS 01-245FDA-3-1 McDD F4A,B&RF4B Phantom SRI Levels C to F Maint

F4B,C Plane Captain’s HB

F4B,J Ordnanceman’s HB

F4B,J,RF4B Plane Captain’s HB

TO 1F-4C-3-1-1 McDD F4C,D,E&RF4C Phantom SR Org

TO 1F-4C-3-1-2 McDD F4C,D,E&RF4C Phantom Fixed Str

TO 1F-4C-2-8 McDD F4C Phantom Power Plant

TO 1F-4(R)C-1CL-1 RF4C Aircraft Checklist

F4C J-79 Emergency Instructions

McDD Phantom F/RF-4C/D/E Crew Chief’s HB

F4C,D,E Armament Systems HB

TO 1F-4C-1 McDD F4C,D&E Phantom FM

TO 1F-4E-1 McDD F4E Phantom FM

TO 1F-4C-1-2 McDD F4E Phantom Thunderbird Config

F4E Armament HB

TO 1F-4G-1 F4G Wild Weasel Flight Manual

NAVAIR 01-245FDD-1 NATOPS McDD F4J Phantom FM
Can I have AP101B-0901-15B FG1 Aircrew Weapons Manual please?

[seer557]

This is a list of all the Phantom manuals I have in PDF. If any are of use to someone on here I would gladly send copies

AP101B-0900-1A General

AP101B-0900-1B Corrosion Control & Decontamination (Paint)

AP101B-0900-1C Structure, Hydraulics, Bleed Air & Pneumatics

AP101B-0900-1D Flight Controls

AP101B-0900-1E Services Systems

AP101B-0900-1F Air Systems

AP101B-0900-1G Safety & Survival

AP101B-0900-1H Propulsion Systems

AP101B-0900-1J Air Induction System

AP101B-0900-1K Fuel System

AP101B-0900-L Elect Power Supply & Distribution System

AP101B-0900-1M Lighting & Centralised Warning System

AP101B-0900-1N Misc. Instruments

AP101B-0900-1P Air Data Computer Set

AP101B-0900-1Q Automatic Flight Control System

AP101B-0900-1R Armament Systems

AP101B-0900-1Y Materials USA/UK Equivalents

AP101B-0900-1Z List of Publications

AP101B-0900-13 FG1, FGR2& F4-J Modification Lists

AP101B-0901-1B FG1 Communication, Radio Navigation & Identification System

AP101B-0901-1C FG1 Navigation, Flight Director & Bombing Systems

AP101B-0902-1A FGR2 Systems Integration

AP101B-0902-1B FGR2 Communication, Radio Navigation & Identification System

AP101B-0902-1C FGR2 Attitude Reference, Flight Director & LCOSS

AP101B-0902-1E FGR2 Inertial Navigation & Attack System INAS

AP101B-0902-1F FGR2 Reconnaissance Systems

AP101-0900-3A1 Illustrated Parts Manual – Index

AP101-0900-3A2 Illustrated Parts Manual – Airframe

AP101-0900-3A3 Illustrated Parts Manual – Mechanisms, Controls & Ejection Seats

AP101-0900-3A4 Illustrated Parts Manual – Utility, Hydraulics & Pneumatics Systems

AP101-0900-3A5 Illustrated Parts Manual – Instrumentation, Electrical & Electronic Systems

AP101-0900-3A6 Illustrated Parts Manual – Fuel System, Power Plant & Related Systems

AP101-0900-3A7 Illustrated Parts Manual – Special Support Equipment & Armament

AP101-0900-3C/3D Scales of Ground Support Equipment/ Scales of A/C Servicing Spares

AP101B-0900-5A2 Safety & Servicing Notes

AP101B-0900-6A1 SRI – General Information

AP101B-0900-6A2 Structural Repair Instructions (SRI) - Fixed Structure

AP101B-0900-6A3 SRI – Doors & Removable Panels

AP101B-0900-6A4 SRI – Control Surfaces & Removable Structural Components

AP101B-0900-6A5 SRI – Typical Repairs, Repair of Special Structure & Sealing

AP101B-0902-10A1 FGR2 Wiring manual

AP101B-0902-10A2 FGR2 Wiring manual

AP101B-0902-10B1 FGR2 Wiring manual

AP101B-0902-10B2 FGR2 Wiring manual

AP101B-0901-15A FG1 Aircrew Manual

AP101B-0901-15B FG1 Aircrew Weapons Manual

AP101B-0902-15A FGR2 Aircrew Manual

AP101B-0902-15B FGR2 Aircrew Manual – Weapons System

AP101B-0903-1HA F-4J(UK) J79 Principles of Operation

AP101B-0903-1HB F-4J(UK) J79 Testing & Troubleshooting

AP101B-0903-1HC F-4J(UK) J79 System Maintenance

AP101B-0903-15A F-4J(UK) Aircrew Manual

AP102C-2401-1A1, 1A2 & 1A3 J79-GE-8 & -10 Bay Maintenance

AP112F-0701-1 CADC

FG1 & FGR2 Plane Captain’s Handbook

RAF Weapons Course Notes (Early). Mud Mover days and covers Mk5 Seat

RAF Phantom GSE Handbook

MACE report – Phantom Engineering Data Review dated May 1987

DFS Review No96 Phantom 7 year review

AP102C-1101/1102/1105-3A Spey 202/203 Illustrated Parts Catalogue

AP108E-0529-12 PSP Type ZD

AP109B-0137-1 MB Ejection Seat Type 7A General & Technical Information

AP109B-0137-3A MB Ejection Seat Type 7A Parts manual

AP109B-0137-5F MB Ejection Seat Type 7A Bay Maintenance Schedule

AP118M-0501-13 LAU 7A Launcher

American manuals

F4H-1 Structure McDD Pub SEDR 148

F4H-1 Air Induction System

F4 Accident Investigation Workbook

F4 Serial No Conversion Chart

NAVWEPS 01-245FDA-3-1 McDD F4A,B&RF4B Phantom SRI Levels C to F Maint

F4B,C Plane Captain’s HB

F4B,J Ordnanceman’s HB

F4B,J,RF4B Plane Captain’s HB

TO 1F-4C-3-1-1 McDD F4C,D,E&RF4C Phantom SR Org

TO 1F-4C-3-1-2 McDD F4C,D,E&RF4C Phantom Fixed Str

TO 1F-4C-2-8 McDD F4C Phantom Power Plant

TO 1F-4(R)C-1CL-1 RF4C Aircraft Checklist

F4C J-79 Emergency Instructions

McDD Phantom F/RF-4C/D/E Crew Chief’s HB

F4C,D,E Armament Systems HB

TO 1F-4C-1 McDD F4C,D&E Phantom FM

TO 1F-4E-1 McDD F4E Phantom FM

TO 1F-4C-1-2 McDD F4E Phantom Thunderbird Config

F4E Armament HB

TO 1F-4G-1 F4G Wild Weasel Flight Manual

NAVAIR 01-245FDD-1 NATOPS McDD F4J Phantom FM


I would be very grateful if you could send me a copy of the Wild Weasel Flight Manual.

Many thanks.

Seer

[seer557]

23sq

Please clear you PM box - too full to receive new messages.

Seer

[SLXOwft]

Found these going through a box of old photos from my youth and thought I would scan for a Friday - apologies for the quality. Mostly STCAAME visitors with a10TRW roller thrown in. Further apologies to 23, 29, 43 and 64/228OCU.


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[Vzlet]

Part of a TLP course at Jever, April 1986:
https://live.staticflickr.com/4225/34530182473_e9141a20b5_c.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/UBjdeF)

[grobbling about]

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Possibly the same TLP course in ‘86. The aircraft subsequently known as ‘Black Mike’

[Vzlet]

It would have been a different course, as the Germans were the only F-4 participants at this one.

[grobbling about]

It would have been a different course, as the Germans were the only F-4 participants at this one.

Ok, maybe my photo was taken on the earlier course. Certainly there was German F4 representation along with us as we enjoyed a visit to the Jever brewery with the Richthofen Sqn folks.

[salad-dodger]

Ok, maybe my photo was taken on the earlier course. Certainly there was German F4 representation along with us as we enjoyed a visit to the Jever brewery with the Richthofen Sqn folks.
So the “TLP 2/86” on the intake ramp is not the date then?

[Rhino power]

So the “TLP 2/86” on the intake ramp is not the date then?

The '2' is just the course number...

-RP

[salad-dodger]

And the 86?

[MPN11]

And the 86?
Post #680 ... 1986?

[Rhino power]

And the 86?

The year in which it's held.

-RP

[ivor toolbox]

The tank sidewall had probably cracked as a result of fatigue induced by pressure variations in the tank, this had cut or chafed through the rubber bag tank and fuel had leaked in large quantities down into the engine bay. The vented cavity under the tank floors should have been sealed to prevent fuel leaking down this path but it looked like it had found a way through and been ignited by a hot surface on the engine or possibly use of reheat.
Subsequently a mod programme was introduced to fit a liner in the tank bays to protect the bag tanks in the event of cracks developing in the tank structure.

Walbut



Tank sidewall 'panting ' was quite common....spent many days doing repairs in all of them...

Then many more days gluing the liners in place too...

Ttfn

[Vzlet]

I don't remember the number of the course (at which I was an observer for just a week), but the RAF sent Harriers and Lightnings, the USAF A-10s and F-15s, the Germans F-4s and Alpha Jets, and the Belgians Mirages.

[grobbling about]

I don't remember the number of the course (at which I was an observer for just a week), but the RAF sent Harriers and Lightnings, the USAF A-10s and F-15s, the Germans F-4s and Alpha Jets, and the Belgians Mirages.
Canadian F-18s (brand new and failed to get airborne quite a lot), South Dakota ANG A7s and GAF F4Fs. Must have been others as well

[SLXOwft]

Saw this story on the 'hall site.

https://www.mildenhall.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2212373/illuminating-history-f-4-phantom-ii-restoration/


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Image courtesy of the US DoD and Airman 1st Class John Wright

[Ascend Charlie]

Did anybody ever phly a Phantom with the "winglets" up? Was it possible?

[Rhino power]

Did anybody ever phly a Phantom with the "winglets" up? Was it possible?

The Phantom didn't have 'winglets', if you mean the outer wing panels, then yes, several F-4s have flown with the outer wing panels in the folded position and survived the episode, several have also been lost along with the crews... Probably the most widely publicised is a USAF 57th FIS F-4E, there are several images of it in flight online along with the full story.

-RP

[Ascend Charlie]

Ummm...that's why I called them "winglets" instead of winglets.

[Duchess_Driver]

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At the risk of repetition.... thought this had already been posted on this thread but couldn’t find in going back 20 pages or so. Not my photo, uncredited image off the web.

[Rhino power]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/154x144/27931ce0_8730_42cc_85bf_046a34fb9e9a_2399f4aa1016b73547b87f2 d7101eac38674b31e.jpeg

At the risk of repetition.... thought this had already been posted on this thread but couldn’t find in going back 20 pages or so. Not my photo, uncredited image off the web.

That's a pic of the 57th FIS F-4E that I mentioned above, here are a couple more images found on t'internet of the same 'incident'... (credit/copyright unknown but, obviously a fellow 57th FIS crew)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x707/1_5020eaf2faed8849b6bf7aed1aab34167c123fdf.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1000x713/2_879ea67b90f8b9ca26715d8a6055337162d97b4e.jpg
-RP

[RAFEngO74to09]

More phantastic videos of JASDF Phantoms !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsJBgaPR6D4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn0vjDxaT8w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cB070UJhRM

Happy childhood & early RAF service memories of the skies of Europe being filled with the sound of 1,296 J-79s in the 648 x F-4G / F-4E / F-4D / RF-4C in all these USAFE units - let alone the 1000s more in the German AF F-4s and every man and his dog's F-104s - how times change !

10 TRW RAF Alconbury (72)
48 TFW RAF Lakenheath (72)
81 TFW RAF Bentwaters / RAF Woodbridge (72)
36 TFW Bitburg AB (72)
50 TFW Hahn AB (72)
86 TFW Ramstein AB (48)
52 TFW Spangdahlem AB (72)
26 TRW Zweibrucken AB (48)
401 TFW Torrejon AB (72)
32 TFS Soesterberg AB (24)
57 FIS NAS Keflavik (24)

[RAFEngO74to09]

Another video of JASDF 301 Sqn Phantoms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYzGcVlzQ6Q

[RAFEngO74to09]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0azol70Kc0U

[Big Pistons Forever]

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1399/4c4f83fe_8390_4e94_b3e9_5acae297da5f_55e86eb21aa7c123222645f abf3b641ceda3540f.jpeg
Possibly the same TLP course in ‘86. The aircraft subsequently known as ‘Black Mike’

Must be RAF. 25 guys 17 different orders of dress .....

[wub]

Must be RAF. 25 guys 17 different orders of dress .....

Including someone using a flasher mac for the intended purpose.

[Tashengurt]

Blimey! Scott Wishart at far right I believe. He must've been there to pack the brake 'chutes.
Scruffiest man in the RAF!

[NutLoose]

Glad the thread has resurrected, Ok.........unintentional 82,125 ft per min climb rate in a Phantom!...

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/that-time-an-f-4-phantom-ii-outran-an-f-a-18-hornet-and-zoomed-at-82125-feet-per-minute/

[NutLoose]

Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LYy50hVf2s

[RAFEngO74to09]

If we're going back that far we may as well do "The Full Monty" and enjoy some more of the earliest surviving videos from the Phantom in RAF and RN service.

First Phantom FG1 delivered:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8yH-fEruWA

Phantom FG1 + Phantom FGR2 enter service - "about 170 are on order at a total cost of nearly 400 Million Pounds" - Bargain !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie0YcOZATM0

892 Sqn commissioning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0sU-t-8KE

Some sporty arrivals here when 892 Sqn on the 83,000 ton USS Saratoga in 1969:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbnISnjmk_Q

Trials on HMS Eagle - which never got the refit for operational deployments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-EzDxZPQCY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epS1HRZpDyY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFTVLzX22XU

54 Sqn in Singapore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh7ocppbNI4

[Saintsman]

Looking through some old photos, I came across this one. Taken at Akrotiri in 83 or 84.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1168x792/epson011_f4ce94cf7cc0e199f938e653056fd4b55b070554.jpg

[RAFEngO74to09]

Another Phantastic video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciekYh3fIhM

[RAFEngO74to09]

Last Phantom built - a F-4EJ 17-8440 - delivered May 1981 - over 39 years ago.

Still looking Phantastic !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHqsX0wPIN0

[RAFEngO74to09]

JASDF 301 Sqn ceased operation of the F-4EJ on 20 Nov 20.

Final commemorative paint schemes here - demonstrating real pride of ownership - and a significant budget !

"In our memories, Phantoms are flying forever !".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZJ6_FKVVyI

[Geezers of Nazareth]

In 1990 I was one of the 'lucky few' selected to attend RAF Wattisham for the launch of the RAF Phantoms for the 1990 BoB flypast over London. We had almost complete access to the flight-line prior to engines-start, they taxied right past us on their way to the end of the runway, and then we were escorted to the edge of the runway (well, maybe 20ft away!) for their departure. It was loud, and there were 18 aircraft, so my ears were still ringing the following day.

I took photos of almost every aircraft, but most of the pictures are not very good. There was no digital in those days, so it was a case of 'take plenty of pics and wait to see what the chemist would do with them!'. A lot are out of focus, a lot are not in-frame, and a number are 'not level.

However ...
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1342/eguw_1990_bob_ze359_f3f489c6fd70b9f735c9a636b598b384411953a1 .jpg
F-4J(UK) ZE359 'J' of 74 Squadron
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1389/eguw_1990_bob_xv462_139db74aec635a77e951f17ef36a99c5bad27336 .jpg
Phantom FGR.2 XV462 of 92 Squadron
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1361/eguw_1990_bob_xv432_171e0a02f0cfb45d9761afc6119ea7e284e17602 .jpg
XV432 'N' of 56 Squadron

[salad-dodger]

You’re right, they’re not great are they? The light doesn’t look great, but even allowing for that......

[RAFEngO74to09]

Great video here - part of the JASDF 301 Sqn "Final Week" !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdKPbudhpqo

[Minnie Burner]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1389/eguw_1990_bob_xv462_139db74aec635a77e951f17ef36a99c5bad27336 .jpg[/img]
Phantom FGR.2 XV462 of 92 Squadron
XV432 'N' of 56 Squadron
I wonder who will be the first pedantic, smartass 🔔🔚 to point out that it's a 🐬, not a 🐍

[teej013]

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1703x1156/mpa01_28324c94ae46afccf472786c1e8cc50569e04ccf.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1712x1184/mpa02_9ad2af7ee98212d78ece25bbc9e788d483bf8824.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1110x1490/mpa_fly_by01_ffcd10f4d42e75a9e2509c8af3687c9eca406d7e.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1724x1180/mpa_rhag01_725750e1c1239a5d5df4619b57773901790b4f94.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1716x1184/mpa_rhag02_70ff5b9fd4ad7a93dd85aae3748075dc7d2b965a.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1743x1012/mpa_rhag03_33905277776a0e800e4f41c2e4a3f239f9ad4771.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1751x1241/stanley_flare03_b60de601512301c2862477ab36df387744a69d72.jpg
Some Pix I took, from Stanley & MPA, Various trips between 1983 & 1987.
Teej...

[Dan Gerous]

Wow, blast from the past with that first one Teej. A view I saw a few times, and I might even have a similar shot. Just noticed the Eagle on the tail of it, and shouldn't that Eagle be facing forward?

[MPN11]

More FI F-4s, Stanley 1983 ... more for nostalgia than photographic quality!!


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1960x2000/scan_1_c695d979f0186e8af7a3c8bcd6001b44dededcb1.jpeg
Tanking time.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x2000/scan_ba27498490981f1b64be995ad3458a214e47f31f.jpeg
Phantom sunset
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1942/stanley_f_4_2_0098934ff37c2f223475338e4e368c74b0a09ed7.jpeg
Another Phantom sunset!
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/2000x1942/stanley_f_4_1414fb996cd9a136f0c1eafceca82075e20922e8.jpeg
"Mind the gap!"

[RAFEngO74to09]

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/640x398/image_4d53c9311603e89b313e6cc72d9b89de5e08ca71.png

[teej013]

Good spot Dan G., never noticed that.
RAFEngO74to09, probably explains the Tinnitus ?

Teej...

[Firestreak]

Geezers, the second picture in your post No 711 is a 19 Sqn aircraft, not 92, it’s got the Wiggly Worm in the Sqn badge, not a Cobra and the blue/white chequers on the RAW are from 19.

[WE992]

I love this thread it reminds me of the great Air Force I joined and not the pathetic RAF I left 39 years later!

[BEagle]

That 892 Sqn commissioning clip brought back memories! The pilot of the Sea Venom, the late John 'Farmer' Steele, was a great family friend with a fine sense of humour. His description of the event was hilarious and he had visions of foam splattering the brass in their best sailor suits. Which didn't actually happen, of course.

As an ex-Vampire T11 CFS A1 QFI, he doubtless found the actual landing quite straightforward.

[essdee]

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/583x527/43_sqn_f4f_52d29cca14ca9e4779a6a28e9077ac6caca77312.jpeg
43 Sqn Reunion June 1976

[etudiant]

I love this thread it reminds me of the great Air Force I joined and not the pathetic RAF I left 39 years later!
Not sure that you'd want credit(?) for that.

[RAFEngO74to09]

First flight of the YF4H-1 63 years ago today 27 May 1958.

https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/27-may-1958/

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x400/image_03abe4ae6a1fed2d2de5cdae265577ce41e9e7e1.png

[SATCOS WHIPPING BOY]

This just popped onto my facetube page:

It'll take a few of you back in time.

https://youtu.be/Ox4z0G5oWjA

[typerated]

Shot down USN F-4B in the Hanoi Air Force Museum

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/41311440722_c89aa4f25a_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/895/39545255400_c90b690f09_b.jpg

[garyscott]

Shot down USN F-4B in the Hanoi Air Force Museum

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/41311440722_c89aa4f25a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/25WxW4m)

https://live.staticflickr.com/895/39545255400_c90b690f09_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/23ftLGh)


Not sure what that canopy is from, but it didn’t come with the rest of it.

[typerated]

Not sure what that canopy is from, but it didn’t come with the rest of it.

F-105 Thud

[RAFEngO74to09]

62 years ago today - 6 Dec 59 - Operation TOP FLIGHT
XF4H-1 performed a zoom climb to a world record 98,557 ft
This record and others in the archive video

THE RECORD BREAKING F-4 PHANTOM II FIGHTER AIRCRAFT MCDONNELL FILM 81264 - YouTube

[Lookleft]

Not sure what that canopy is from, but it didn’t come with the rest of it.

Same goes for the propeller!

[matkat]

Looking through some old photos, I came across this one. Taken at Akrotiri in 83 or 84.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1168x792/epson011_f4ce94cf7cc0e199f938e653056fd4b55b070554.jpg
I was there with 43 in 1984

[LOMCEVAK]

43 was one of the squadrons that operated from Akrotiri on Operation Pulsator from Sep 83 to April 84 (56 was the other). Great times having their support and doing affil with them! And then there was the chicken at the dining in night for their departure ....

[Shackman]

And who exactly took the press (BBC et al) across to Beirut so they could film the 'first RAF aircraft over Beirut' - 8 Sqn Chinooks had already commenced operations into Beirut.

PS What happened to the piece of 'Beirut Rock' we bought back for you (actually from one of the HLS's we were using).

[BEagle]

RAFG F-4s at Goose on the way to Red Flag 5 Oct 1988:

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/800x558/rafg_f_4s_goose_bay_5_oct_88_56371c9fb8e24fbe20f11d68732bb92 d4d8d54de.jpg

Taken by yours truly from the flight deck of our VC10K3 ZA150. The late RFK was the co-pilot; after the last bracket we landed at Lincon Nebraska whilst the F-4s continued to Nellis.

[wiggy]

62 years ago today - 6 Dec 59 - Operation TOP FLIGHT
XF4H-1 performed a zoom climb to a world record 98,557 ft
This record and others in the archive video

THE RECORD BREAKING F-4 PHANTOM II FIGHTER AIRCRAFT MCDONNELL FILM 81264 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RO_0cH3OUQ)

A bit late on parade with this one but the Lt R F Gordon mentioned in the Project Lana segment of the YouTube video was Dick Gordon of NASA, Gemini 11 and Apollo 12 fame.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_F._Gordon_Jr.

FWIW John Young also set a couple of time to climb world records in the F-4 prior to him dabbling with being an astronaut for a little while…

A phenomenal performer in it’s day with the J79s…Of course as I’m know you are well aware UK Gov in their wisdom ordered theirs with Spey engines……..:bored:

[ATSA1]

...but the Speys didn't give your position away quite so easily!!!

(or so I was told!)

[X767]

At 17:52 , my one and only film role demonstrating the intricacies of the Hunter stick top !

[RAFEngO74to09]

First flight of the YF4H-1 64 years ago today 27 May 1958.

https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/27-may-1958/

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/600x400/image_5cbb7a9e7e1776925c7885dc03230f61f9fb5277.png

[Spyglass]

Ref posts 727 and 728, the canopy frame with the wrecked F-4B looks to be from an F-105 Thunderchief.

Graham

[teej013]

1. Thanks to Spyglass for resurrecting this thread.
2. Wimpdet, Wimpdet, Rah, Rah, Rah.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1188x816/whimpdet_whimpdet_rah_rah_rah_6fefb1f723ec4d2213be7e5d58165a 431723e52b.jpg

Teej...

[cfrincon]

Hello,

Hope I'm not being to piggy but would it be possible for you to send me copies of all these manuals?
Link to post where manual PDFs are listed (https://www.pprune.org/10724435-post638.html)
I'm a scale aviation modeler and would find them an invaluable reference resource on the F-4.

Best Regards,

[SpazSinbad]

Having NOT read anything in this thread I have NO IDEA to what is referred above so anyhoo this is my list - from the first TINY URL page - of the many references to da FANTOM 2 contained therein below. There is much more info but I have kept only NATOPS PDF references. ALL URLs below are contained in text file attached. NOPE - no txt file becuz it are too bigga at 2Kb!? :} PHWOAR! :}

At the first url for the BL - 0 - spot the site was searched using 'Phantom II' for a zillion hits.

https://aviationarchives.********.com/search?q=Phantom+II

Aviation Archives: Search results for Phantom II (http://tinyurl.com/3kw2vyn7)
_____________

F-4 Phantom II Society
https://www.f4phantom.com/drupal/references

Flight Manuals and Guides
USAF Flight Manual F-4E http://www.f4phantom.com/docs/F4Manual-1979-T-O-1F-4E-1-Flight-Manual-USAF-Series-F-4E-Aircraft.pdf

NATOPS Flight Manual F-4J http://www.f4phantom.com/docs/NATOPS_F4J_manual.pdf

NATOPS Flight Manual RF-4B http://www.f4phantom.com/docs/NATOPS-Flight-Manual-Navy-Model-RF-4B-Aircraft.pdf

USAF F-4E Thunderbird Supplement F-4E http://www.f4phantom.com/docs/USAF-T-O-1F-4C-1-2-Flight-Operating-Difference-Supplemental-Data-USAF-Series-F-4E-Aircraft-Thunderbird-Configuration.pdf

USAF F-4 Phantom Guide for F-4 Test Pilot School http://www.f4phantom.com/docs/F4_Phantom_Guide.pdf

__________

F-4J Phantom II NATOPS 15 Feb 1978
https://www.docdroid.com/8I7CdG8/f-4j-phantom-ii-flight-manual-later-edition-pdf (PDF 139Mb)

F-4H-1 Phantom II Flight Manual [NATOPS] 15 Sep 1962
https://www.docdroid.com/Q8a6shx/f-4h-1-phantom-ii-flight-manual-pdf (28Mb)

F-4 Phantom II FG Mk 1(F-4K) Aircrew Manual Oct 1969
https://www.filefactory.com/file/288esr9hczq5/Phantom_FG%20Mk%201%20Aircrew%20Manual.pdf (28Mb)

F-4 Phantom II FGR Mk 2 (F-4M) Aircrew Manual Oct 1969 [best quality]
https://www.filefactory.com/file/4rs9j0edyz2l/Phantom_FGR%20Mk%202%20Flight%20Manual.pdf (20Mb)

F-4 Phantom II FRG-2 (F-4M) Aircrew Manual Oct 1969
https://www.filefactory.com/file/1zm22hcbtgm7/Phantom_FGR-2%20Aircrew%20Manual.pdf (22Mb)

RF-4B NATOPS 15 Dec 1965
http://filefactory.com/file/voctce4kvnv/RF-4B_NATOPS%20Flight%20Manual.pdf [EARLY]

http://aviationarchives.********.com/2015/05/rf-4b-natops-manual.html [Later]
___________

RF-4B NATOPS 01 May 1985
http://www.filefactory.com/file/5162b6unvrkj/RF-4B_NATOPS%20Manual.pdf (147Mb)

F-4J NATOPS 01 May 1975
http://www.filefactory.com/file/600hw9nml9ph/F-4J_Phantom%20II%20Flight%20Manual%28A%29.pdf (132Mb)
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/661x946/ukspookiicartoontrans_52543335f649c72d092734da267e6e8c85a810 29.gif

[SLXOwft]

One of my more juvenile photos, I blame an excess of Polish sausages and US 'beer'.




https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1192x1761/businessend_b66bde96f261160ab1dc13d70278d7565624d8a1.jpg

[stumpey]

Stop it, I'm gettin a stiffee again!

[SpazSinbad]

JPG of Poster below: https://www.docdroid.com/yuFxVLn/world-spook-poster-pdf (2.6Mb)

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1234x1351/world_spook_poster_forum_tif_c4b737f69787c761ba4e9d25f65f59b a8428ba86.jpg

[SpazSinbad]

SPOOKy USN Jonah almost digested by an Fantom in Naval Aviation News Jun 1971
https://www.history.navy.mil/content/dam/nhhc/research/histories/naval-aviation/
Naval%20Aviation%20News/1970/pdf/jun71.pdf (4.7Mb)

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1198x770/f_4_swallow_gramps_nan_buaero_jun71_tif_1_forum_e4bdde31d1c7 0558c7edf0e3e05d8d8e20179337.gif
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1198x431/f_4_swallow_gramps_nan_buaero_jun71_tif_2_forum_8c186223a995 993d6584e4ffe592e05130293cb5.gif

[SpazSinbad]

Hello,
Hope I'm not being to piggy but would it be possible for you to send me copies of all these manuals?
Link to post where manual PDFs are listed (https://www.pprune.org/10724435-post638.html)
I'm a scale aviation modeler and would find them an invaluable reference resource on the F-4.
Best Regards,
Thanks. That is quite a long list (he said listlessly). :} I recall seeing some of those 'non-aircrew F-4 PDFs at the website mentioned above. YOU will find them there with the search function as suggested. Meanwhile I'll look for 'other' F-4 PDF manuals I have on an external backup drive....

OTHERs [some of these are repeats from above whilst URLs have NOT been checked as live]
F-4(B,C) Plane Captains' Handbook.pdf (186Mb) 01 Feb 1964
https://www.filefactory.com/file/36uynv9fwh4h/F-4(B,C)_Plane%20Captains'%20Handbook.pdf

F-4E Flight Manual (Rescanned) NATOPS USAF.pdf (380Mb) [excellent quality] 18 Jul 1995
https://www.filefactory.com/file/2frsbfrqh27t/F-4E_Flight%20Manual%20%28Rescanned%29.pdf

RF-4B NATOPS Manual.pdf 15 Jul 1979 (150Mb)
http://www.filefactory.com/file/5162b6unvrkj/RF-4B_NATOPS%20Manual.pdf

F-4J Phantom II Flight Manual(A).pdf 01 May 1975 (135Mb)
http://www.filefactory.com/file/600hw9nml9ph/F-4J_Phantom%20II%20Flight%20Manual%28A%29.pdf

F-4BN Flight Manual NATOPS May 1985.pdf (105Mb)
Must have forgotten to grab URL - PDF can be uploaded to my OneDrive for download if required?

F-4G “Wild Weasel” Flight Manual (Newer Copy).pdf 03 Nov 1993 (64Mb)
https://www.docdroid.com/GXB63Qo/f-4g-wild-weasel-flight-manual-newer-copy-pdf

RF-4B General Airframe Infomation Manual.pdf (49Mb) 01 Aug 1973
https://www.docdroid.com/QHeMwfE/rf-4b-general-airframe-infomation-manual-pdf

RF-4C Aircrew Checklist NATOPS PCL.pdf 18 Jul 1995 (45Mb)
https://www.filefactory.com/file/5vn3rgumbtat/RF-4C_Aircrew%20Checklist.pdf

F-4B(F4H-1) Flight Manual (Volume I amd II) NATOPS.pdf (37Mb) 15 Dec 1962
https://www.docdroid.com/Zf5T99m/f-4bf4h-1-flight-manual-volume-i-amd-ii-pdf

F-4 Phantom II Pamphlet.pdf (31Mb)
http://www.filefactory.com/file/2u0yhgdouvop/F-4_Phantom%20II%20Pamphlet.pdf#

F-4H-1 Phantom II Flight Manual 1962.pdf (27Mb) 15 Sep 1962
https://www.docdroid.com/Q8a6shx/f-4h-1-phantom-ii-flight-manual-pdf

USAF-T-O-1F-4C-1-2-Flight-Operating-Difference-Supplemental-Data-USAF-Series-F-4E-Aircraft-Thunderbird-Configuration.pdf 15 Dec 1970 (27Mb)
https://www.f4phantom.com/docs/USAF-T-O-1F-4C-1-2-Flight-Operating-Difference-Supplemental-Data-USAF-Series-F-4E-Aircraft-Thunderbird-Configuration.pdf

F-4H-1 Phantom II Flight Manual.pdf 15 Dec 1962
https://www.docdroid.com/Q8a6shx/f-4h-1-phantom-ii-flight-manual-pdf

F_RF-4C_D_E Crew Chief's Handbook1.pdf 01 Feb 1972 (24Mb)
http://www.filefactory.com/file/3rnza5ehhhhv/F_RF-4C_D_E_Crew%20Chief%27s%20Handbook1.pdf

Phantom FGR-2 Aircrew Manual.pdf (22 Mb) Oct 1969
https://www.filefactory.com/file/1zm22hcbtgm7/Phantom_FGR-2%20Aircrew%20Manual.pdf

Phantom FGR Mk 2 Flight Manual.pdf Oct 1969 [fewer pages] (20Mb)
https://www.filefactory.com/file/4rs9j0edyz2l/Phantom_FGR%20Mk%202%20Flight%20Manual.pdf

RF-4B NATOPS Flight Manual NATOPS.pdf (14Mb) 15 Dec 1965
http://filefactory.com/file/voctce4kvnv/RF-4B_NATOPS%20Flight%20Manual.pdf

F-4H Carrier Suitability.pdf (5Mb) 15 Apr 1960
http://aviationarchives.net/F-4H%20Carrier%20Suitability.pdf

F-4C J79 Pilot Emergency Proceedures.pdf (4Mb)
https://ln.sync.com/dl/f4bf830e0/4eyv3bji-caa5zw7x-w82e344b-zevwhn65

F-4C, F-4D, F-4E & RF-4C Non-Munitions Manual.pdf (1.7Mb) 01 Sep 1979
https://www.docdroid.com/y5K7b0Y/f-4c-f-4d-f-4e-rf-4c-non-munitions-manual-pdf

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Grafik FRUM: http://www.filefactory.com/file/2u0yhgdouvop/F-4_Phantom%20II%20Pamphlet.pdf# (as above)

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/799x1050/f_4_phantom_ii_pamphlet_back_page_e9d02509ca6d8b9525cee958fa 6b9797a8255528.jpg

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Five Loft Line drawings for the F-4B/C/D/J Phantom II (five percent size) LS 32-0139, 32-1144 Credit: Greg Kuklinski
https://aviationarchives.********.com/2024/01/f-4bcdj-phantom-ii-5-drawings.html
OR
https://rb.gy/tfmawv
OR
TINY URL seems weird now?

https://www.filefactory.com/file/iakyxi8t8cm/F-4BCDJ%20Phantom%20II%20%205%20percent%20Drawings.pdf (35Mb)