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lmgaylard
16th Apr 2014, 14:04
http://shr.gs/M6mC4ZI


According to a report in the Express it would seem that leaked FBI files, or de-classified, show that Adolf Hitler spent the last years of his life in Argentina.


Hmmm. Not sure to be honest.


Anyone?

Hempy
16th Apr 2014, 14:14
Any thoughts that Hitler escaped Berlin were put to bed when the Russians opened up the Soviet archives. ISTR the jaw bone was even dna tested but I may be wrong. Antony Beevor interviewed the GRU officer charged with keeping them secure after the bodies were discovered. The majority of his remains met a fitting end...

edit. the Americans were fooled by Stalins disinformation campaign for years, but the man could keep a secret. Even Zhukov didn't know that Hitlers body had been found until after Stalins death.

maxred
16th Apr 2014, 14:15
With recent events in our social history, I have come to the opinion, that actually, anything is possible, and that the human race are a funny old lot.

Entirely possible that he ended up there, and given the mis information that has surfaced about the lies and duplicity at the end of that war, Nuremburg being classic, nothing would surprise me.

500N
16th Apr 2014, 14:17
I always thought that if he did end up there, Israel would have eventually found him.

langleybaston
16th Apr 2014, 17:48
Relax, people ......... he is surely dead by now.

Isn't he?

racedo
16th Apr 2014, 17:58
Relax, people ......... he is surely dead by now.

Isn't he?

If not then he really is the best Hide and Seek champion world has ever had.

Thing is does it matter if he is dead or not ?
Him being alive and watching his whole Philosophy being destroyed has a certain irony about it.

Marcantilan
16th Apr 2014, 18:10
I have the declass files from the National Archives (US), and the ONI strongly suggest that Hitler was on Argentina.

There are several books that support that "theory".

I am not a believer, but Nazis were everywhere in here in the `50s. My brother was on a house in Bariloche some weeks ago, property of a friend of a friend (the house was closed since the 60s), which still has a stove with an "imperial eagle" and lots of pronazis books (in german) in the library. I`ve asked if he saw some pics of Adolf there, but the answer was no.

tdracer
16th Apr 2014, 18:14
I was watching a TV program about Hitler recently - pretty interesting discussion of his doctor, alleged drug use, mental health, etc..
Anyway, there was pretty strong evidence that near the end, he was suffering from Parkinson's disease. If true, given the treatment options in 1945, I doubt he would have lasted too long even if managed to make it out of Berlin (which, BTW, I don't think he did).

taxydual
16th Apr 2014, 19:27
The first two words in the much redacted details are, 'Hollywood California'.

Is there a movie in the offing?

N2erk
16th Apr 2014, 20:34
They did a few already. My favorite is " they Saved Hitler's Brain", which is rated as one of the 10 worst movies of all time. I highly recommend it. We should also prepare for an onslaught of new Hitler downfall parodies. :ugh:

Capetonian
16th Apr 2014, 20:51
..... as was almost certainly Josef Mengele and others. I saw an Argentinian film recently about a family doctor in Bariloche who turned out to be Mengele, rather disturbing.

mr fish
16th Apr 2014, 20:57
GREY WOLF by simon dunstan and gerrard Williams is a must read for anyone wishing to learn more on this subject.


I must admit when I first picked up this book I shared the same scepticism as most posters here but this is a VERY well researched and somewhat dense book which throws up some interesting ideas.


on a lighter note fictionwise may I point potential readers to THE SEVENTH SECRET by irving Wallace and THE BERKUT by joseph heywood.


mr fish.

Courtney Mil
16th Apr 2014, 21:02
...still caring for twins, no doubt, Capetonian.

CAW
17th Apr 2014, 03:11
There´s a lot of fantasy been built around this issue.

It cannot be said that many nazis, mostly low or medium-ranking officers, found a hide-away haven in Argentina. It´s also true that high ranking nazi officers were either "abducted" or "taken into custody" by both the soviet and the american government.

Since Argentina is a country made up by inmigrant populations (german speaking among them have been coming to this country decades before Germany even existed as a country), there are many cities and towns that "recreate" european scenarios. Bariloche is one of them... the first germans known to have gotten there date back to the late XIX Century.

You can go to cities in Brazil, Chile, Paraguay, the states and some eastern areas of african countries and find german influence. German Nazis, are of course part of the inmigrants that travelled world-wide before 1939 and after 1945. And so this is the case of Argentina, which received (and still receives) people from everywere.

The Hitler issue is a good-selling story that´s been going around for decades. There are even a few well know actors here that claim to have been having tea with both Adolf & Eva in a southern Andes lodge, sometime in the 60s. There are stories of israel´s Mossad agent having dessappered in the Andes woods... The submarine tales´are a must here and Marcantilan can surely tell a huge deal about that.

After reading, hearing and living the first part of my life among argentinean germans and other inmigrant population in the areas refered as "Nazi havens", I´ve come to the conclusion that there´s no substancial evidence. I´d say that, regarding Hitler´s fate, the soviet/russian said it all when their files on the matter were made public.

Christian

rh200
17th Apr 2014, 05:47
Hitler and his squeeze was really captured by the Russians, and his death faked. Stalin apon interviewing him for the intent of humilation on his part, decided he had found a kindered spirit.

As such he stayed for many years in secret as a honored guest of the Soviets. He had one child late in life a male called Valdimer!

Tashengurt
17th Apr 2014, 07:10
This thread is getting a little scary now!


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B Fraser
17th Apr 2014, 09:09
The Grey Wolf is good holiday reading. A few weeks after I finished it, I read in the news that Erich Priebke had died. He was on the run for 40 years following the execution of 335 Italians which included a number of Jews. He had been living in San Carlos de Bariloche for most of that time. His old boss was alleged in the book to be living just up the road. Coincidence ?

It sounds like all Mossad had to do to round them up was announce a beer and sausage night in the local town hall.

rh200
17th Apr 2014, 09:30
This thread is getting a little scary now!

Just this thread:p

If that was aimed at me it was just a joke:ok:

Reader123
17th Apr 2014, 09:59
Here are the FBI files for you to read.

FBI ? Adolf Hitler Part 01 of 04 (http://vault.fbi.gov/adolf-hitler/adolf-hitler-part-01-of-04/view)

A load of letters to J Edgar Hoover from nutters.

Trim Stab
17th Apr 2014, 10:44
There is a large inland salt lake near Córdoba called the Mar Chiquita and on the eastern shore there is a once very splendid but now disused hotel called the Grand Hotel Vienna. This had been German owned prior to the war, and in the years after the war it was privately occupied. Some of the locals insist that this was where Hitler lived after the war. I don't believe Hitler lived there, but it is probably true that some high-ranking nazis were there.

oxenos
17th Apr 2014, 13:11
It wasn't Adolph, it was his Dad.

BEagle
17th Apr 2014, 14:59
Argentina? Nope - Hr. Hilter was known to have moved to North Somerset....

watch?v=vlmGknvr_Pg

;)

Tashengurt
17th Apr 2014, 17:11
Quote:

This thread is getting a little scary now!

Just this thread

If that was aimed at me it was just a joke


It wasn't solely aimed at you but your writing did seem to suggest you're perhaps more used to using crayons?


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AtomKraft
17th Apr 2014, 18:32
This thread will not be complete without a mention of 'The portage to San Cristobal of AH'.
It's an utterly brilliant piece of allegory by George Steiner.

The plot revolves around Adolf being found as an old man somewhere in the SouthAmerican jungle by Simon Weisenthal et al.

The denouement at the end is probably the most incisive and uncomfortable chapter I've ever read.....

racedo
17th Apr 2014, 18:49
You can go to cities in Brazil, Chile, Paraguay, the states and some eastern areas of african countries and find german influence. German Nazis, are of course part of the inmigrants that travelled world-wide before 1939 and after 1945. And so this is the case of Argentina, which received (and still receives) people from everywere.

You can go to cities in US with similar influence....

Wiemar in Texas and area all around it hadssignificant German originating population and only after WW1/2 that it became less used but the history and origins are still there.

Marcantilan
17th Apr 2014, 22:29
Well...

http://www.cazadoronline.com.ar/contenido/grande/hitler_with_alien_ufo_vril_haunebu_ww2_nazi_4910302.jpg

chopper2004
17th Apr 2014, 23:09
:mad::mad:

@Marc, reminds me of this

Blue Fires: The Lost Secrets of Nazi Technology: Amazon.co.uk: Gary Hyland: Books

and

my23PIoQs9M

Warmtoast
18th Apr 2014, 00:04
A general overview of the top 10 conspiracy theories concerning Adolf Hitler can be found here:

Adolf Hitler And The Third Reich: The Top 10 Conspiracy Theories » Sabotage Times (http://sabotagetimes.com/life/adolf-hitler-and-the-third-reich-the-top-10-conspiracy-theories)#

bradleygolding
18th Apr 2014, 01:56
Morning Everyone,

I stumbled on this thread yesterday whilst updating myself about a a certain missing airliner, and felt I had to put my own hand grenade in as well!

I live in the Adelaide Hills here in South Australia and I have a PPL. A few years ago I was looking for a local strip to possibly base a light plane at, and found on a survey map a good sized strip just to the east of where I live marked as a landing ground. It is perched right on top of the hills and is at a beautiful location. I asked people at Parafield and at Aldinga, to see if they could spread any light on this, but nobody new anything about it. So after a trip to find it by car and being greeted with most unfriendly signage around the farm where the strip was I gave up.

A year or so later a new woman at work who was in the RAAF reserves started telling me a story from her commanding officer about a strip on his next door neighbors property in the hills and guess what, yes it's the same one.

The story goes........

The farm on which the strip is built has belonged to the same German family for about a hundred years. The strip was constructed at the end of the war so that Adolf Hitler had a safe place to land in Australia when he visited!

Now I don't think this proves that Hitler survived the war, but it does prove that a number of ex-pats Nazi supporters believed that he had, and spent a considerable sum to built the 800 metre runway in that position!

Just my two cents, and of course it may be just that, a story.


All the best,

Steve

Warmtoast
18th Apr 2014, 09:50
"DOWNFALL"

BBC4 is showing "Downfall" , the Oscar nominated film tomorrow (Saturday 19th April) at 9:00 pm. Starring Bruno Ganz as Hitler, this is an outstanding film re-creating the final days in the bunker of Hitler and his followers. Recommended.

Not to be confused with the various "Rant Scene" parodies on YouTube with alternative words to the film's original script!

Courtney Mil
19th Apr 2014, 16:17
Here's another fictionalised take on the topic. Not only is it a good read but it's written by a fellow PPRuNer - what's not to like? The-Manhattan-Deception.
:ok::ok::ok:

El Grifo
19th Apr 2014, 17:31
Villa Winter, Cofete, Fuerteventura !

El G.

CAW
21st Apr 2014, 17:23
New light on the matter... (so to say)

http://i62.tinypic.com/2vi1jy9.jpg

The INCREDIBLE picture that proves Adolf Hitler lived to 95 with his Brazilian lover | Weird | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/455810/The-INCREDIBLE-picture-that-proves-Adolf-Hitler-lived-to-95-with-his-Brazilian-lover)

Christian

herkman
21st Apr 2014, 23:49
Steve perhaps you may care to indicate where the strip is.

I am familiar where most of the hills strips are but this one does not appear to come up on my list.

Thanks

Col

AtomKraft
22nd Apr 2014, 02:20
No one is ever quite the same after watching 'Downfall'.

Well, no one with kids anyway.....

Red Line Entry
22nd Apr 2014, 11:05
AtomKraft,

Spot on. I have the film on DVD and watch it occasionally but have always skipped past that scene after seeing it the first time. To me, it is one of the most chilling sequences I have ever seen on film and summarises the depths to which a despotic regime can pervert the minds of its followers.

And yet Christianity celebrates the fact that Abraham was prepared to do the same thing to his child...

racedo
22nd Apr 2014, 12:11
And yet Christianity celebrates the fact that Abraham was prepared to do the same thing to his child...

Nope we celebrate the fact he didn't do it.

dazdaz1
22nd Apr 2014, 16:19
I'm to the the belief that Hitler WAS killed (bomb) in the Wolf's lair on the 20/7/44 by a group of Wehrmacht officers. May they RIP for their 'job done' to end the the war. Alas, most of them were executed for killing Hitler.

Churchill and the US 'freaked out' on the information of Hitler's death. You might wonder why the UK/US freaked out? Lets take a look at the Soviet side of the 'autumn' of the German defeat. Further posts to follow......

Tashengurt
22nd Apr 2014, 20:55
Hang on! I need to get some popcorn!


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tony draper
22nd Apr 2014, 22:52
I read that if Hitler were alive today he would have died years ago from Parkinsons disease.
:uhoh:

racedo
22nd Apr 2014, 23:25
If Hitler were alive today he would be looking at the EU and thinking WTF didn't I think of that.

Andu
22nd Apr 2014, 23:50
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the History Channel movie that went to air only in the last six months or so (it may have been a repeat) made in documentary style that interviewed any number of people, including ex-Nazi Germans and local Argentinian servants, all of whom said AH lived in Argentina for quite some years post 1945. (They even gave a date of his death.)

Can't remember the name of the movie, but it was quite well done, and if you suspended disbelief, quite enjoyable as well. They even showed the burial site of his dog(s) and a dramatization of some sort of ADC, who still sported a Nazi-style uniform, burying said dog. (Dogs plural, as, according to the movie, there was a succession of post-1945 'Blondies'.)

con-pilot
23rd Apr 2014, 00:16
Sorry, don't buy it, if Hitler had lived, the Mossad would have nailed him in less than two years, maybe less after the war ended.

Fubaar
23rd Apr 2014, 00:59
Saw that History Channel movie, which I assume was on a par with their ancient aliens series for accuracy. But if it was even half accurate, it looked like old Adolph led a pretty miserable life in South America. The hangers-on who looked after him would have driven any sane man crackers.

500N
23rd Apr 2014, 01:13
Con

That is my view as well.

I reckon they would have followed up every lead possible.

rh200
23rd Apr 2014, 02:07
Sorry, don't buy it, if Hitler had lived, the Mossad would have nailed him in less than two years, maybe less after the war ended.

Yep, the simplist argument against the wacko's, the Israeli's. No way in the world Hitler would have survived with Mossad around. The biggest problem they would have had was do we just top him, or put him on trial and then top him.

500N
23rd Apr 2014, 02:12
Top him, quietly, no one of his side would say anything and
the Israelis would keep mum as well.

That is if they had found him alive.

Just my HO.

John Hill
23rd Apr 2014, 05:34
Hitler died of old age in Neuschwabenland and his family still live there.

B Fraser
23rd Apr 2014, 06:31
So why did it take 10 years to nail Bin Laden who was living a few blocks away from the Pakistan equivalent of West Point or Sandhurst ? The discovery was the equivalent of finding him living above a pub in Camberley High Street. Maybe Mossad and MI6 should have been involved in the intelligence gathering ...oops, yes they were.

It's very easy to disappear if you have connections and a lot of cash.

Gordon17
23rd Apr 2014, 07:23
Sorry, don't buy it, if Hitler had lived, the Mossad would have nailed him in less than two years, maybe less after the war ended.

Mossad didn't exist until 1949 - Israel didn't exist until 1948.

acbus1
23rd Apr 2014, 09:09
Him being alive and watching his whole Philosophy being destroyed has a certain irony about it.
Unfortunately, Hitler's philosophy is alive and well and will be for as long as humans walk the Earth.

As racedo suggests, the European Union is well down that road and it is fast becoming a one-way system.

rh200
23rd Apr 2014, 09:46
European Union is well down that road and it is fast becoming a one-way system.

Comparing the two is like apples and oranges. One was run by a race of people known for their efficiency, the other run by a collection of $%^# idiots who can't even wipe their arses.

That is why the EU is, and will never be a practical threat to anyone but itself.

gruntie
23rd Apr 2014, 10:01
One was run by a race of people known for their efficiency, the other run by a collection of $%^# idiots who can't even wipe their arses.

Wrong, sorry. They were both run by a collection of $%^# idiots who can't even wipe their arses. The first lot just got lucky for a while. (Some say the second lot did too).

Agree with the rest of it though.

ArthurR
23rd Apr 2014, 10:18
Hitler is alive and well. He's living in Berlin and has his own TV show. It must be true as I am reading the book "Look Who's Back" by Timur Vermes

And I believe that as much as the other stories......Good satirical book though

Saltie
23rd Apr 2014, 10:23
The History Channel movie maintained that he had a daughter, who was living in Argentina.

tony draper
23rd Apr 2014, 10:24
Nowadays he would have just been allowed to leave quietly and live in the South of France or somewhere similar,as long as he still had all the money he stole of course.
Wealth pardons all sins, were it not so we would have a lot of bankers rotting corpses impaled on park railings all over the land.
:uhoh:

Lon More
23rd Apr 2014, 12:05
After a sex change operation he moved to the UK and eventually became Prime Minister :{ Or was it his daughter?

El Grifo
23rd Apr 2014, 12:18
What a terrible thing to say !




About Adolf :}

SpringHeeledJack
23rd Apr 2014, 14:36
We are told things about the past and accept them for the most part at face value, even things of historical importance. Who is to say that things transpired differently, except for the few involved no-one will ever know. Did Adolf vanish into the Argentinian pampas ? He certainly had the wherewithal to do so and enough supporters to make it happen, perhaps not for him but for the philosophy that he represented. It would be strange if he didn't have plan in place to escape the oncoming enemy should it have arrived. He might well have lived to a ripe old age flitting between remote places as some of the circumstantial evidence of accommodations with landing strips would suggest.

Despite our wish for retribution the fact that he lived on or died in 1945 makes scant difference to the toll of the megalomania caused by the National Socialist party in Germany. Have we learnt from the experience, perhaps not. :(


SHJ

acbus1
23rd Apr 2014, 15:19
Comparing the two is like apples and oranges. One was run by a race of people known for their efficiency, the other run by a collection of $%^# idiots who can't even wipe their arses.

That is why the EU is, and will never be a practical threat to anyone but itself.

Wrong, sorry. They were both run by a collection of $%^# idiots who can't even wipe their arses. The first lot just got lucky for a while. (Some say the second lot did too).

Agree with the rest of it though.

The sum total of the above is therefore:

... the EU is, and will never be a practical threat to anyone but itself

Which is clearly incorrect, based upon current evidence alone, let alone any sensible extrapolation.

acbus1
23rd Apr 2014, 15:46
Republican Riot » THE NAZIS AND FASCISTS WHO FOUNDED THE EU (And Their Influence Today) (http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=2675)

...the EU has today reproduced the policies and structures of 1940s Europe and shows all the characteristics of a totalitarian anti democratic corporatist Empire — for that is what its fascist founders intended.

Heath *spit, spit* started the rot in the UK. He ignored the legal right of the British people to vote for any change of sovereignty. He declared that they were 'too stupid' to be allowed to make such decisions.

Time to get out, while we still can (and before the EU Presidency abandon any further pretences and grow Hitlerian moustaches).

cavortingcheetah
23rd Apr 2014, 15:54
Hitler escaped Berlin and fled to ..... but without Eva Braun who died in the bunker.
British intelligence was fully aware of this escape and conspired to hide the flight of the Führer. As far back as 1942 the British government had led the German high command to understand that no efforts would be made to apprehend Adolph Hitler provided that his disappearance was complete and that certain letters written to him by the then King Edward VIII, later to become Duke of Windsor, would not be published. Buckingham Palace was uneasy in the extreme that the British upper class establishment should not be seen to be in support of the Nazi dictator. The social adhesion of the British working class to theoretical Communism and Stalin was unassailable in 1945. At the same time, the explosive nature of the correspondence in question and the legal/moral questions that arose from it presented Churchill's coalition with a dilemma. The government was caught in a cleft stick. Either the innermost sexual secrets of the royal family would be revealed or the British working class would revolt. The solution was Pilate like in its simplicity. A German submarine carrying the Führer was permitted transit across the blockade in exchange for guarantees that no royal correspondence would be made public on the one hand and that the mission should be conducted in the utmost secrecy on the other. The German leader left Berlin on his own as the Russians advanced, through a safe corridor provided unwittingly by the invading American forces who were under the impression that a British SOE operation was in hand. He eventually disembarked upon foreign shores, there to live out the rest of his days painting and walking in the mountains that reminded him so much of the Bavaria he had come to love. That story remains to be told.

racedo
23rd Apr 2014, 15:55
That is why the EU is, and will never be a practical threat to anyone but itself.

The change from turning an organisation from one of incompetence into efficient isn't really that difficult, likewise turning it the other way.
I would give timeline of generally 3-5 years maximum and fell the 3 is more likely.

racedo
23rd Apr 2014, 15:57
Cavorting

Write the book.

con-pilot
23rd Apr 2014, 16:57
Mossad didn't exist until 1949

Okay, by 1951 then.

My point stands, the year not withstanding.

Hitler died in Berlin in 1945.






He was killed by Colonel Mustard, in the study, with the gun. :p

Mac the Knife
23rd Apr 2014, 17:49
"If Hitler were alive today he would be looking at the EU and thinking WTF didn't I think of that"

The demi-educated and permanently resentful Hitler could never have gotten within spitting distance of this, but Bismarck did. He envisaged a European Union under German control, not too distant from what we now have.

He opposed the annexation of Alsace-Lorraine after 1870 because he, "...did not wish to make a permanent enemy of France" and understood very well that another major European War would be a disaster for all concerned, particularly Germany. He repeatedly warned against German involvement in Balkan disputes.

He out-socialised the Socialists by creating the world's first welfare state* and had he not been tripped up by the premature death of Frederick III and the sucession of the mentally unstable Wilhelm II (The Kaiser) he might well have succeeded.

Bismarck was certainly not a "nice guy" personally and he made a number of disastrous mistakes [like the anti-Catholic Kulturkampf - (although this would have been much applauded today)].

But he was a visionary statesman and a pragmatist (he initially opposed colonialisation as being too expensive for too little return) - on the level with wily old Palmerston - just far ahead of his time.

*"The real grievance of the worker is the insecurity of his existence; he is not sure that he will always have work, he is not sure that he will always be healthy, and he foresees that he will one day be old and unfit to work. If he falls into poverty, even if only through a prolonged illness, he is then completely helpless, left to his own devices, and society does not currently recognize any real obligation towards him beyond the usual help for the poor, even if he has been working all the time ever so faithfully and diligently. The usual help for the poor, however, leaves a lot to be desired, especially in large cities, where it is very much worse than in the country."

(He introduced the Sickness Insurance Law of 1883, the Accident Insurance Law of 1884 and the Old Age and Disability Insurance Law of 1889)

Mac

Bismarck would have thought Hitler a malignant imbecile, which is what he proved to be.

:ooh:

Lonewolf_50
23rd Apr 2014, 18:40
He was killed by Colonel Mustard, in the study, with the gun. :p
Beg to differ:
He was killed by Colonel Borscht, in the Bunker, with the Nagant. ;)

RatherBeFlying
23rd Apr 2014, 18:58
Bismarck would have thought Hitler a malignant imbecile, which is what he proved to be.As he likely did of Wilhelm II and would have of Thatcher, Cameron et al;)

Pinky the pilot
24th Apr 2014, 05:27
Beg to differ:
He was killed by Colonel Borscht, in the Bunker, with the Nagant.

Thought it was Boris Badenov.:confused:

Krystal n chips
24th Apr 2014, 05:52
" did not wish to make a permanent enemy of France"

The only flaw with that is that the French have always been remarkably adept at making temporary enemies.....unlike the British who simply hold a grudge for a few centuries.

As for the late Adolf, erm, any article published in the Excess to the contrary should prove beyond doubt he became the deceased in Berlin.

From what has been allowed to emerge however, the de-Nazification of Germany was always going to be a near impossible task for the Allies to fully implement and the proverbial blind eye was the only real alternative hence why so many of the more devout followers were simply allowed to remain free. That, and the fact that many who joined the Party did so under duress in order to live and work, nothing more.

We look forward to the "Exclusive ! Royal Family Sordid Secrets Revealed ! "....only in the Daily Mail !" serialisation of CC's forthcoming book however.

rh200
24th Apr 2014, 06:14
The change from turning an organisation from one of incompetence into efficient isn't really that difficult, likewise turning it the other way.

True, if you have an singular type of consenting group setting it up. But really, the complete and utter disfunctional grouping of European states turning it into an efficient organisation.:ugh:

I find it hard to work out whats worse and more useless, the EU or the UN.

None of the European states will give up any real power to it, and every ones moaning and crying about it the way it is. Its still born, and on life support, a club for huggy fluffies to participate in so they can sleep well at night.

acbus1
24th Apr 2014, 07:14
None of the European states will give up any real power to it
Have I misinterpreted the last four decades? :confused:

Hempy
25th Apr 2014, 14:36
Stories that Hitler survived the fall of Berlin are western creations and always discount the USSR. Stalin had a personal hatred of Hitler that bordered on manic. There was a full NKVD (KGB) battalion assigned to lead formations entering Berlin whose sole task was to bring him back to Moscow. If they hadn't found him, forget the Mossad, the KGB would have hunted him down.

It reminds me of Neil Armstrong's comments in regards to NASAs 'faked Lunar Landings' as claimed by some conspiracy theorists. As he said, the Soviets were in a mad space race with the USA and were tracking everything they were doing. It's surprising that they didn't glow from Russian radar energy...if they hadn't done exactly what they claimed the Soviets would have blabbed it to the world.

Solid Rust Twotter
25th Apr 2014, 19:31
...if they hadn't done exactly what they claimed the Soviets would have blabbed it to the world.


That's never stopped the moonhowlers trying to lick their elbows while stuffing candy floss in an ear.:}

rh200
26th Apr 2014, 00:42
He ignored the legal right of the British people to vote for any change of sovereignty

And just what bits of your sovereignty have you lost?

Have I misinterpreted the last four decades?

What real power has the EU got?

We seem to have become soft and moan in the west, do we have it to easy? Some of the things people put forward as huge issues is mind boggling. Look outside in the real world and see what real issues are.

We should be mindful of things like the EU, and dare I say it the UN. But its hard to imagine them actually being a real threat to anyone. Their just a good place to let all the loonys congregate in case we need to cull them.:E Only Joking on the last bit:p