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15th Apr 2014, 15:11
Yesterday there was quite a long post about the plight of Africa, particularly Somalia and Ethiopia which referred to how charities were not helping the deeper problem.
I wanted to show it to Senior Management but am unable to locate it.
Is this my lack of skill or has the moderator struck ?

15th Apr 2014, 15:17
It's still there....you have to go back at least a page.

15th Apr 2014, 15:19
Is it in JB ?

tony draper
15th Apr 2014, 15:19
Yer I read it and cant find it either,site prolly ordered to take it down by by the Ministry of PC,incidentally it had been posted before.
Apologies Mr Loki is correct it is on page two,cant see for looking I cant :\

15th Apr 2014, 15:26
Me neither, it's finding the title that is the trick. Problem with JB is it moves so fast.

15th Apr 2014, 15:27
It's been on threads a couple of times.

15th Apr 2014, 15:29
Yes, still there

The article dates from 2008 and was widely condemned at the time

Hans Zomer of Dóchas, an association of NGOs, and another complainant, took a complaint to the Press Council on the grounds that it breached four principles of the Council's Code of Practice: 1) Accuracy, 3) Fairness and Honesty, 4) Respect for Rights, and 8) Incitement to Hatred.[7][8] In their case details the Press Council said:

beginning with the headline "Africa is giving nothing to anyone – apart from AIDS", the mode of presentation was marked by rhetorical extravagance and hyperbole which used the failings of some to stigmatise whole societies, employing a level of generalisation that was distorting and seriously insulting to Africans as a whole and that, ... [I]n addition the article resorted, in several instances, to language that was gratuitously offensive and was, in the view of the Press Council, likely to cause grave offence to people throughout sub-Saharan Africa and to the many Africans in particular who are now resident in Ireland. They concluded that the article did breach Principle 8 of the Code of Practice in that it was likely to cause grave offence. It did not, however, find reason to conclude that it was likely to stir-up hatred or that there was any intention to do so. They also concluded that the Council did not have clear grounds on which to make any findings in relation to the complaints under Principles 1, 3 & 4 of the Code.

—Press Council of Ireland Complainants and the Irish Independent

15th Apr 2014, 15:35
Another example of how unpalatable the truth is to so many people.

tony draper
15th Apr 2014, 15:42
Well said it before seems to be the people with their arses hanging the furthest out their trousers who are always the proudest and easiest offended for some weird reason.

15th Apr 2014, 15:44
If it's still there then it can be copied here.

This report by K. Myers appeared in The Irish Independent:
Somalia is not a humanitarian disaster; it is an evolutionary disaster. The current drought is not the worst in 50 years, as the BBC, and all the aid organisations claim. It is nothing compared to the droughts in 1960/61 or
73/74. And there are continuing droughts every 5 years or so. It's just that there are now four times the population; having been kept alive by famine relief, supplied by aid organisations, over the past 50 years. So, of course, the effects of any drought now, is a famine. They cannot even feed themselves in a normal rainfall year.
Worst yet, the effects of these droughts, and poor nutrition in the first 3 years of the a child's life, have a lasting effect on the development of the infant brain, so that if they survive, they will never achieve a normal IQ .
Consequently, they are selectively breeding a population, who cannot be educated, let alone one that is not being educated; a recipe for disaster.
We are seeing this impact now, and it can only exacerbate, to the detriment of their neighbours, and their environment as well. This scenario can only end in an even worse disaster; with even worse suffering, for those benighted people, and their descendants.
Eventually, some mechanism will intervene, be it war, disease or starvation .
So what do we do ? Let them starve ?
What a dilemma for our Judeo/ Christian/Islamic Ethos; as well as Hindu
/Buddhist morality.
And this is beginning to happen in Kenya, Ethiopia, and other countries
in Asia, like Pakistan.
Is this the beginning of the end of civilisation ?
AFRICA is giving nothing to anyone outside Africa -- apart from AIDS and new disease
Even as we see African states refusing to take action
to restore something resembling civilisation in Zimbabwe, the Begging
bowl for Ethiopia is being passed around to us out of Africa, yet again.
It is nearly 25 years since the famous Feed The
World campaign began in Ethiopia, and in that time Ethiopia's population has grown from
33.5 million to 78+ million today.
So, why on earth should I do anything to encourage further catastrophic
demographic growth in that country? Where is the logic? There is none.
To be sure, there are two things saying that logic doesn't count.
One is my conscience, and the other is the picture, yet again, of another
wide-eyed child, yet again, gazing, yet again, at the camera, which yet
again, captures the tragedy of children starving
Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially.
Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have
stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there.
The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a low IQ,
AK 47-bearing moron, siring children whenever the whim takes him, and
blaming the world because he is uneducated, poor en left behind.
There is no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory
and dysfunctional economic, social and sexual system; but I do not know what
it is. There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column
like this.
It will win no friends, and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well,
the self-righteous, hand wringing, letter writing wrathful individuals, a
species which never fails to contaminate almost every
debate in Irish life with its sneers and its moral superiority. It
will also probably enrage some of the finest men in Irish life, like John
O'Shea, of Goal; and the Finucane brothers, men whom I admire enormously.
So be it.
But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of
our own Irish Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no
Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was
down by 30%. Over the equivalent period, thanks to western food, the
Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules planes, Ethiopia's population
has more than doubled.
Alas, that wretched country is not alone in its madness. Somewhere, over
the rainbow, lies Somalia, another fine land of violent, AK 47-toting,
khat-chewing, girl-circumcising, permanently tumescent layabouts, and
housing pirates of the ocean.
Indeed, we now have almost an entire continent of sexually hyperactive,
illiterate indigents, with tens of millions of people who only survive
because of help from the outside world or allowances by the semi communist
Governments they voted for, money supplied by lending it from the World Bank!!!
This dependency has not stimulated political prudence or commonsense.
Indeed, voodoo idiocy seems to be in the ascendant, with the president of
South Africa being a firm believer in the efficacy of a little tap water
on the post-coital penis as a sure preventative against AIDS infection.
Needless to say, poverty, hunger and societal meltdown have not prevented
idiotic wars involving Tigre, Uganda, Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea
Broad brush-strokes, to be sure. But broad brush-strokes are often the way
that history paints its gaudier, if more decisive, chapters. Japan, China,
Russia, Korea, Poland, Germany, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 20th
century have endured worse broad brush-strokes than almost any part of
They are now -- one way or another -- virtually all giving aid to or
investing in Africa, whereas Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush
pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.
Meanwhile, Africa's peoples are outstripping their resources, and causing
catastrophic ecological degradation. By 2050, the population of Ethiopia
will be 177 million; the equivalent of France, Germany and Benelux today,
but located on the parched and increasingly Protein-free wastelands of
the Great Rift Valley.
So, how much sense does it make for us actively to increase the adult
population of what is already a vastly over-populated, environmentally
devastated and economically dependent country?
How much morality is there in saving an Ethiopian child from starvation
today, for it to survive to a life of brutal circumcision, poverty, hunger,
violence and sexual abuse, resulting in another half-dozen such wide-eyed
children, with comparably jolly little lives ahead of them? Of course, it
might make you feel better, which is a prime reason for so much charity.!
But that is not good enough.
For self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has
sustained political systems which would otherwise have collapsed.
It prolonged the Eritrean-Ethiopian war by nearly a decade. It is inspiring
Bill Gates' programme to rid the continent of malaria, when, in the almost
complete absence of personal self-discipline, that disease is one of the
most efficacious forms of population-control now operating.
If his programme is successful, tens of millions of children who would
otherwise have died in infancy will survive to adulthood, he boasts.
Oh good: then what? I know, let them all come here (to Ireland) or
America. (not forgetting Australia!) Yes, that's an idea.

15th Apr 2014, 15:44
One man'e 'truth' is another man's hyperbole.

Personally, I found that much of the argumentation revolved around the premise that childhood malnutition led to retarded IQ led to banditry and terrorism. I saw no evidence to support that chain of consequences.

15th Apr 2014, 15:49
Thanks for that all, I only want to wind up a serial giver :}

15th Apr 2014, 15:51
Well said it before seems to be the people with their arses hanging the furthest out their trousers

You mean builders! They only time they seem to take offence is when you don't pay them although they are always offending pretty girls in the street...

Myers, for his part, plays to prejudices (not least his own) and not science in his talk of evolution and many other things...

Using his own argument, maybe his Irish Catholicism or the lack of potatoes during the famine has blighted his family's mental and evolutionary path through the last centuries...


15th Apr 2014, 15:58
That sounds like fun...the wind up.

The principle achievement of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is to increase the number of jobs available at Oxfam as clinking collection boxers.
In military hospitals the irony always lay in the maxim, feed 'em up, ship 'em out and shoot 'em. In the Gates's world of philanthropy it's more likely to be, shoot 'em up, starve 'em out and, well, it's difficult at this stage to think of anything further that conforms to the hidebound political correctness rhubarb conforming with the silicon set.

15th Apr 2014, 16:05
The principle achievement of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is to increase the number of jobs available at Oxfam as clinking collection
boxers. In military hospitals the irony always lay in the maxim, feed 'em
up, ship 'em out and shoot 'em. In the Gates's world of philanthropy it's more likely to be, shoot 'em up, starve 'em out and, well, it's difficult at this stage to think of anything further that conforms to the hidebound political correctness rhubarb conforming with the silicon set.

No doubt some said the same about the invention of penicillin in the pursuit of some sort of argument against some group or other in the world..

It is interesting to note that Myers talks disparagingly of Africans coming to Ireland and America. This from the son of an Irish immigrant to Britain whose forebears fled en masse (or should that be mass) to America... shurley shome hypocrishy there!

The man is a nincompoop...


tony draper
15th Apr 2014, 16:36
The man just put into words what a hell of a lot of people have been thinking for the last quarter of a century,some might have worded it more kindly and some a lot more harshly, doesn't stop it resonating.

15th Apr 2014, 16:51
doesn't stop it resonating

Like an empty drum I guess.

Have a look at the man's 'opinions' (for who knows what a self publicist like him really thinks) about women, Stephen Fry (he's homosexual so therefore also a target for a bilious attack) and so on ...

Myers is a gutter journo and that's probably the most positive thing one can say about him.