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Two's in
12th Apr 2014, 13:44
http://rt.com/usa/bundy-ranch-nevada-tensions-940/

Apparently the US Government can afford to be soft on Putin land grabbing in Crimea because it's too busy snatching land from ranchers in Nevada.

The room temperature IQ thugs with the K9s and tasers are agents of the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) - who knew the BLM had assault troops? All sounds very Russian in nature. Luckily the Senator for the area is Harry Reid, a well known advocate of liberal values, and his recent appointment of his best buddy as head of the BLM and his lack of concern for the constitutional rights of his constituents is a complete coincidence.

airship
12th Apr 2014, 14:07
Long before the Russians invaded the Crimea...

...there was Waco in Texas.

Lest we forget. :}

racedo
12th Apr 2014, 14:28
Damm farners they need to move as Chinese want to sight a Solar energy farm.

con-pilot
12th Apr 2014, 15:35
I just hope this does not turn into another Waco, which was brought to you by a another progressive, so-called liberal Democratic Administration. :hmm:

pigboat
12th Apr 2014, 15:40
Yawn. :zzz: Just another example of hopen change.

SteynOnline: The First Amendment is not an area. (http://www.steynonline.com/6248/the-first-amendment-is-not-an-area)


Federal snipers with the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) trained guns on members of a family yesterday after they dared to stop and take video footage of cattle...

Whoa, hold that thought! "Federal snipers with the Bureau of Land Management". As I wrote only last week, if someone wants to stroll in to Fort Hood and shoot as many people as he's minded to, the fellows on the receiving end have to call 911 and wait for the county sheriff to send a couple of deputies - because "the only government department without a military force at its disposal is the military". But the Bureau of Land Management has snipers

The Sultan
13th Apr 2014, 01:57
The right wing's latest hero Putin would have shot all of the Tea Baggers threatening the Federal Agents if was in occupied Ukraine. The President just let this go as inbreeding eventually will eliminate the Baggers.

The Sultan

Dushan
13th Apr 2014, 02:21
Has anyone noticed that The Sultan and AW never appear at the same time?

Fox3WheresMyBanana
13th Apr 2014, 02:42
I think this one's closer to Ruby Ridge than Waco

Official version
The Shooting at Ruby Ridge (http://www.byington.org/carl/ruby/ruby1.htm)
We have concluded that the special Rules of Engagement in force at Ruby Ridge violated the Constitution of the United States


as do others
Rancher Prevails in 'New Ruby Ridge' Battle as Feds Back Down (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/tea-party-libertarian-ranch-ruby-ridge/2014/04/11/id/565102/)

Fox3WheresMyBanana
13th Apr 2014, 02:59
Seems to be escaping the notice of much of the media that the initial reason for the BLM land grab was to protect endangered desert tortoises.This was necessary after their shutdown of the BLM tortoise rescue center to save money, and as a consequence of which they euthanized most of the tortoises they had.

So, BLM is threatening humans with snipers to defend tortoises, most of which they have already killed themselves to save money.

Please leave your brain at the State line, you won't be needing it in Nevada.

500N
13th Apr 2014, 03:11
A bit like they build the huge solar array plant and trample over of ignore the rare animals !!!

Snipers - I wonder how well trained they are. Dangerous move as others can always counter snipe back and locals know the land better.

rh200
13th Apr 2014, 04:42
The right wing's latest hero Putin would have shot all of the Tea Baggers threatening the Federal Agents if was in occupied Ukraine. The President just let this go as inbreeding eventually will eliminate the Baggers.Another attempt at disinformation Sultan, getting in early. You won't find to many "right wingers" who regard him as a hero. He's a lefty socialist/ communist. These are the ones who as usual get to much power and resort to what ever means they can get away with.

The great farce of the late 20th and 21st century, propagated by the left in their eternal shame that the genocidal dictators are from the right.

Now back to the story at hand. Could someone clarify, though it does seem that the Feds are being heavy handed, isn't the usual case with all law enforcement these days, that if theres a risk they use the overwhelming "force scenario".

I heard there where threats made against officers. In light of the multitude of cases where some poor sod has been killed just trying to do their job, means every time there is a threat they go into this rambo overreaction mode. Frankly it does look bad and does tend to inflame things sometimes.

But if it saves lives is it worth it?

West Coast
13th Apr 2014, 05:06
Snipers - I wonder how well trained they are. Dangerous move as others can always counter snipe back and locals know the land better.

There's a pic on social media posted within the last hour showing a couple of protesters in the prone position with rifles of some sort. In the background was the main demonstration point with government officials in clear sight. I presume posting the pic is for the governments consumption as surely they are watching social media. Either way, it was disturbing.

500N
13th Apr 2014, 06:03
"But if it saves lives is it worth it?"

If they were not so heavy handed, no need to save lives.


West coast
The thing is, people exist who will do it, hence why I said a dangerous move,
The us fed escalate, the people escalate. Not good al round.

rh200
13th Apr 2014, 06:17
If they were not so heavy handed, no need to save lives.

I think the example is when some poor sod goes to the door to serve papers, or something else along those lines and gets killed is what I'm talking about. I think thats why you find we are now in the situation that every time theres a percieved risk, it looks like the authoritys are getting ready for ww3.

The question is how do you comfort the poor workers family that hey we didn't want to go overboard so thats why they are dead. Its a balancing act with no easy solution.

500N
13th Apr 2014, 06:19
Ted, ok, valid point.

racedo
13th Apr 2014, 12:39
Remove the rancher as he and his family have no clue how to manage then land as its not like their 140 years in the area has gained them any knowledge.
How dare they not do what the Govt says. :rolleyes:

Govt always knows best:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

pigboat
13th Apr 2014, 13:21
If one believes in conspiracies, the current one is that the son of the Democratic senator from Nevada, Harry Reid, (sp?) wants to get his hands on part of the land. He has, apparently, signed a deal with a Chinese company to build a collector farm to generate solar power. Tortoises and cattle be damned. If that is indeed the case, the BLM guys on the ground are caught between a rock and a hard place.

G-CPTN
13th Apr 2014, 13:46
Federal agency vows to continue legal action after ending Nevada ranch standoff | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/12/federal-agency-pulls-back-in-nevada-ranch-standoff-but-legal-fight-remains/)

G-CPTN
13th Apr 2014, 14:35
Articles: Bundy Ranch, the Federal Government, and the Nevada Water Tipping Point (http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/04/bundy_ranch_the_federal_government_and_the_nevada_water_tipp ing_point.html)

11Fan
13th Apr 2014, 16:53
A little revolution is good now and then.

500N
13th Apr 2014, 17:03
"Tortoises and cattle be damned."


Isn't that what they said about the Tortoises when they built the big Solar array just across the border ? Took no or little account of the Tortoises ?

fitliker
13th Apr 2014, 17:20
Whiskey is for drinking and Water is for fighting.
Maybe the government wants the ranchers off the land ,so they can give it back to the Indians :)

racedo
13th Apr 2014, 18:06
Whiskey is for drinking and Water is for fighting.
Maybe the government wants the ranchers off the land ,so they can give it back to the Indians :)Native Americans please..............

fitliker
13th Apr 2014, 18:14
Some like myself , prefer the terms Casino or Curry injuns to help the semi-literate labelling racist and fascists' who like to label humans by their ethnicity, religion, gender or gender preference :0

Flash2001
13th Apr 2014, 20:30
Ye know, the great American gun problem might not be that the people have too many, but that the government has too many. What, in the name of all that's holy, is the BLM doing with a 200 man SWAT team and a sniper group? Some years ago I had occasion to stay in San Antonio for a while. I used to take breakfast at a place frequented by law enforcement types and other functionaries. The drivers license examiner packed something that looked suspiciously like a Colt Python! I'd hate to fail my test there I'll tell you.

After an excellent landing etc...

con-pilot
13th Apr 2014, 20:52
The drivers license examiner packed something that looked suspiciously like a Colt Python!

I believe that in Texas many, if not all, driver examiners are also Texas Highway Patrol officers. I know that some are in Oklahoma.

That is why they are armed, not to shoot people that fail (although I'm sure at times they are tempted :p) but because they can be called out at any moment if needed.

11Fan
13th Apr 2014, 20:53
I'd hate to fail my test there I'll tell you.

No worries, you get three chances.

mattpilot
13th Apr 2014, 20:57
A little revolution is good now and then.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

- Thomas Jefferson

:8

500N
13th Apr 2014, 20:59
fit

WTF is a "Curry injuns" ? or why are they called that ?????

I can understand the Casino side.

con-pilot
13th Apr 2014, 21:04
WTF is a "Curry injuns" ? or why are they called that ?????


Indians from India, would be my guess, first time I've heard this term.

By the by, from American Indians I know, which are quite a few, me being part American Indian myself, they perfer to be called (if they have to be) American Indians, not native Americans.

But I'm sure there are exceptions.

500N
13th Apr 2014, 21:07
Doh ! Stupid me.

Yes, stupid me, should have guessed that :ugh:


Con
Names used for Aboriginals is a similar nightmare, some like one thing,
some like another, some are offended whatever you call them :rolleyes:

Flash2001
13th Apr 2014, 21:10
Well Con, his shoulder flash said license examiner or some such. I don't remember a badge though.

After an excellent landing etc...

Dushan
13th Apr 2014, 22:28
There are people who should have been shot instead of having been given a driver's license. I see them on the road, every day.

llondel
14th Apr 2014, 04:08
There are people who should have been shot instead of having been given a driver's license. I see them on the road, every day.

They're just in the wrong country. Some of them would fit in really well with driving styles elsewhere in the world. However, there are times when I think your recommendation has merit. If they're trying so hard to kill themselves on the road, it's cheaper to do it with a bullet and protect everyone else on the road.

mattpilot
14th Apr 2014, 08:26
You mean people like this guy?

(*hopes hotlinking works*)

http://2.images.tosh.comedycentral.com/blog/2014/04/idiotladder.jpg

Cacophonix
14th Apr 2014, 10:11
I have been following this situation with some interest and the fact that I did find sinister was that the Feds saw fit to declare certain areas as 'First Amendment Areas'. The implication of this arrogant overreach was significant for freedom of expression in the States. The goons have subsequently backed down it seems...

About Time: BLM Feds Abandon ?Free Speech Zones?, Protesters Reclaim 1st Amendment Right in Bunkerville (http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/04/11/its-about-time-blm-feds-abandon-free-speech-zones-protesters-reclaim-1st-amendment-right-in-bunkerville/)

Caco

racedo
14th Apr 2014, 12:03
By the by, from American Indians I know, which are quite a few, me being part American Indian myself, they perfer to be called (if they have to be) American Indians, not native Americans.


So what is your American Indian name.....................

racedo
14th Apr 2014, 12:06
No worries, you get three chances.

3 strikes and see how far you can run Punk from Mr Smith and Mr Wesson because you ain't driving anywhere....................WOW Pressure to pass really on.

racedo
14th Apr 2014, 12:09
Saw a headline "Cowboys beat BLM"....................can't see that one catching on as while
"Cowboys v Injuns"
was a great game when I was a kid I doubt
"Cowboys V Damm stupid bureaucrats with own belief in self importance "
just is not going to catch on.

500N
14th Apr 2014, 12:17
So what is your American Indian name.....................


Tonto ? :O

rgbrock1
14th Apr 2014, 12:32
pigboat wrote:

because "the only government department without a military force at its disposal is the military".

Complete and utter sullbit: what do you think each of the services Military Police carry, water guns?

rgbrock1
14th Apr 2014, 12:40
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"

-- George Washington

And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that his people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.

-- Thomas Jefferson

rgbrock1
14th Apr 2014, 12:41
So what is your American Indian name.

Don't know what my American Indian name would be but I know several posters here and on other threads would share an American Indian name: He Who Speaks With Forked Tongue. (not referring to you racedo. Hardly.)

racedo
14th Apr 2014, 13:02
Tonto ? :O

Is that Tonto "Bubba" Goldstein ?

Solid Rust Twotter
14th Apr 2014, 14:50
Don't know what my American Indian name would be...


Dances With Tinkerbell?


Too easy....:}

rgbrock1
14th Apr 2014, 14:55
Left myself open for that shot across the bow, didn't I SRT? :}:}:}

Solid Rust Twotter
14th Apr 2014, 15:09
Big target painted on your chest. Had no choice but to take the shot, Mr Rock...:ok:

rgbrock1
14th Apr 2014, 15:20
Ah well, wouldn't be the first time SRT!!!

MadsDad
14th Apr 2014, 15:44
No worries, you get three chances.

... That could explain why I passed my test third time. (And I never noticed the holster).

con-pilot
14th Apr 2014, 16:52
So what is your American Indian name.....................

Masserdecloulds.

Why do you ask white man?


:p

500N
14th Apr 2014, 16:54
They should have killed one of the beasts, lit a fire and had a good BBQ
and a chin wag and sorted it all out.

Snipers for god sake :rolleyes:

con-pilot
14th Apr 2014, 16:59
Well it looks like the powers to be (Obama) learned something from what happened in Waco or what happened to Custer.

I don't which.

rgbrock1
14th Apr 2014, 17:11
con:

Or maybe they read my quote, via the NSA, from George Washington above! :}

con-pilot
14th Apr 2014, 18:21
Or maybe they read my quote, via the NSA, from George Washington above!

So you're going with the lessons learned from Custer then. :p

We, the USMS, dodged a big bullet at Waco, it was an all FBI/ATF affair. We were told that we were not needed, as they had the situation under control and to go home.

So we did and later watch the disaster unfold on TV with everyone else.

A tank? Really. :rolleyes:

rgbrock1
14th Apr 2014, 18:24
con:

Yes, a tank. Waco and Ruby Ridge were just the beginning. Now we see illegal drone strikes on American citizens abroad. Next up? Drone strikes on Americans at home no doubt. Very ominous, very scary and Highly Unconstitutional.

con-pilot
14th Apr 2014, 18:54
Highly Unconstitutional

Only if under a Republican Administration. With Obama and the Democrats, not so much or I'm sure the mainstram media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, would be screaming for impeachment.

Also, Waco and Ruby Ridge were both caused orginally by screw ups by the ATF.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
14th Apr 2014, 22:04
With respect, I think they finished with screw-ups by the ATF.
I think they started with the ATF deciding they could be judge, jury and executioner with anyone they didn't like.
That attitude still keeps cropping up in places in US Government agencies.

Two's in
14th Apr 2014, 22:44
But this is not about right versus left, this is the ever disturbing theme of Government overreach. Barry would do well to remember what pissed everybody off over here 238 years ago before he sends the Feds in to trample on what's left of the Constitution. This is an issue for free thinking citizens, not brain dead media slaves who only recognize Elephants or Donkeys.

rh200
14th Apr 2014, 23:19
Or maybe they read my quote, via the NSA, from George Washington above!

No, the media attention was getting to much and due to previous incidents, a case of we'll use other means. If they really want to, then your fairly stuffed. So I thinking theres going to be some serious legal wrangling going on.

500N
14th Apr 2014, 23:24
"If they really want to, then your fairly stuffed."

I wouldn't like to see an internal war in the US between militia and the US Gov't. Some serious firepower exists on both sides and even though I think the US Gov't would win in the end, it would have one hell of a bloody nose to remember it by.

Dushan
14th Apr 2014, 23:45
I wouldn't be so sure about the government winning. Firepower wise, yes, but if there isn't a political will behind it then it is useless. The other side, OTOH, has no political stake, yet.

500N
14th Apr 2014, 23:50
Sorry, I meant win the "war" side of things, just because of sheer firepower etc.

However, win the war but lose the peace !!!

The people rise up and throw them out ????

rh200
15th Apr 2014, 00:29
wouldn't like to see an internal war in the US between militia and the US Gov't. Some serious firepower exists on both sides and even though I think the US Gov't would win in the end, it would have one hell of a bloody nose to remember it by.

I'm on about the government using the tried and true method, bureaucracy and the legal system. Just wear them down. Basically if the Ranchers have a leg to stand on they need to get it sorted legally. If there's something untoward happening they need to get proof and get it out there.

All this bullsh!t about militia's etc is all well and good, but it sets a dangerous precedent in the modern age. There are several layers of government and their respective forces. This should be enough to counter any one layer of government running to amuck.

If we really want to go down that road then we can have Christian militia's for their causes, Muslim militia's for their cause's, Right wing militia's for their causes, left wing militia for their causes, save the f#$%en pink nosed wombat militia for their causes, you get the picture.

You guys have the ablity to resist government oppression with force of arms if needed, that power should be wielded wisely. That means any situation where you need to pull people in like that against the government should only be as a last resort.

500N
15th Apr 2014, 00:31
Agree, it needs to be sorted legally.

pigboat
15th Apr 2014, 02:17
Complete and utter sullbit: what do you think each of the services Military Police carry, water guns?

Fair point, but in the previous Fort Hood case it was the base civilian police that took down Nidal Hasan.

According to testimony from witnesses, Hasan passed up several opportunities to shoot civilians, and instead targeted soldiers in uniform, who were not carrying personal firearms in accordance with military policy. At one point, Hasan reportedly approached a group of five civilians hiding under a desk. He looked at them, swept the dot of his pistol's laser sight over one of the men's faces, and turned away without firing.

Base civilian police Sergeant Kimberly Munley, who had rushed to the scene in her patrol car, encountered Hasan in the area outside the Soldier Readiness Processing Center. Hasan fired at Munley, who exchanged shots with him using her 9mm M9 pistol. Munley's hand was hit by shrapnel when one of Hasan's bullets struck a nearby rain gutter, and then two bullets struck Munley: the first bullet hit her thigh, and the second hit her knee. As she began to fall from the first bullet, the second bullet struck her femur, shattering it and knocking her to the ground. Hasan walked up to Munley and kicked her pistol out of reach.

As the shooting continued outside, nurses and medics entered the building, secured the doors with a belt and rushed to help the wounded. According to the responding nurses, there was so much blood covering the floor inside the building, that they were unable to maintain balance, and had difficulty reaching the wounded to help them. In the area outside the building, Hasan continued to shoot at fleeing soldiers, and civilian police Sergeant Mark Todd arrived and shouted commands at Hasan to surrender.[30] Todd said: "Then he turned and fired a couple of rounds at me. I didn't hear him say a word, he just turned and fired." The two exchanged shots, and Hasan was felled by five shots from Todd, who kicked the pistol out of his hand and put handcuffs on him as he fell unconscious.

Rick777
15th Apr 2014, 04:53
I can't believe the ignorance shown in this thread. Apparently not one of the posters bothered to get a clue about what happened. Much of the land in the western US belongs to the government. Ranchers can graze livestock on it by paying a fee to the government. Mr Bundy the rancher in question chooses to graze his cattle on public land including national parks, but he chooses to not pay. This has been going on for years and has gone to court several times with the result that the government was directed by the courts to confiscate his cattle for non payment of many thousands of dollars in fees. Mr Bundy does not recognize the US government as being a legitimate organization so he gathered a bunch of his nutter friends to threaten the agents. Their plan was to draw the agents into a fire fight while hiding behind the women in the group hoping to get some women killed so they could be martyred. The government agents wisely withdrew. Why this guy isn't in prison I do not know but suspect he will be soon. There were no Indians involved curry or casino.

Cacophonix
15th Apr 2014, 06:15
I can't believe the ignorance shown in this thread. Apparently not one of the posters bothered to get a clue about what happened. Much of the land in the western US belongs to the government. Ranchers can graze livestock on it by paying a fee to the government.

My understanding of the situation was that Mr Bundy initially offered to pay for grazing rights (to land he claims as his own family's by historical use) to the State authorities but this was not acceptable to all parties. The fact that the Federal Government 'owns' much of the land in the Western US begs multiple questions. Questions like, why and is that a good thing, spring to mind?

Mr Bundy might be a Nevada secessionist. He and his supporters may be crazy but somehow I doubt it! Here we seem to have the heavy leaden gloved Federal approach to the situation with the implied circumscription of First Amendment rights while stealing a man's cattle at gun point.

I tend to support Mr Bundy in this case.

Caco

11Fan
15th Apr 2014, 06:22
I can't believe the ignorance shown in this thread.

It must be terribly frustrating being the only person with the correct opinion. Although, with your incredible intelligence and charming personal skills, I would wager you are a pretty good sprinter. ;)

....not one of the posters bothered to get a clue about what happened.

I am uncertain. Shall we count you in the tally?

rgbrock1
15th Apr 2014, 12:22
Rick777 at al.

If you do a little research into the Bundy vs. BLM affair you'll find that the real reason for the whole sordid affair stems from some underhandedness by Harry Reid, his son Rory, the Bureau of Land Management and the Chinese. Bundy's not paying his grazing fees was a pretext to move him off the land permanently. Even if he had paid his fees they still would have tried to move home off the land for very obvious reasons IF you do the research.

this is yet another example of Federal government encroachment. And Harry Reid comes out of this smelling like the dead fish he is. But of course the MSM will not pick up on this story any deeper than they've already dove.

but this time it did indeed backfire on the Federales. I guess they figured out going toe to toe with a bunch of heavily-armed "militia" wasn't such a good idea and may well have ended in tears. (And not for the "militia")

See the following which is interesting. Not saying it's all true but interesting.

HFiosLqjoQQ

Ruby Ridge. Waco. The Bundy ranch. The day of reckoning is a comin'. Might not be in my lifetime but it is a comin.

Cacophonix
15th Apr 2014, 17:37
See the following which is interesting.

A very interesting take on that situation and probably not a million miles from the truth...

Caco

500N
15th Apr 2014, 17:43
Always two sides to a story and am sure the Bundy's are clean as a whistle
and haven't riled up a few people in the US Gov't but isn't the issue the fact that the BLM turned up with a small army and snipers :rolleyes:, not whether rounding up cattle was allowed.

Cacophonix
15th Apr 2014, 17:50
They were trying to drive a man and his cattle off land that he believes is his by force for some nefarious purpose. If the fools didn't realise that that might resonate badly out West then they deserve the sobriquet I just applied there... Hell you could even make a classical cowboy film out of this and even foreigners like me would get the plot.

Thanks goodness this thing didn't explode because lives would have been lost...

Big government and big money man... they think they can get away with anything and often (sadly) they do...

Caco

rgbrock1
15th Apr 2014, 18:00
It is a known fact that Harry Reid & Co. have a "done deal" with the Chinese on that very land. The Chinese have been given the go ahead to construct an "energy farm" on that land in a contract worth billions. Reid is the only federal government employee, so far, who has already said "this isn't over yet." Of course it's not over for him. for obvious reasons. but it might not go the way he wants it to go. Although the Feds showed up with snipers and a host of other forces, the "militias" who showed up did so with their own set of snipers. And from what I've been personally told, several of the "militia" snipers were former U.S. Marine Force Recon snipers. :eek:

Careful what you wish for Mr. Reid. Things might have a way of coming back to bite you in your ass. You loathsome and despicable snake.

500N
15th Apr 2014, 18:03
RGB,

"several of the "militia" snipers were former U.S. Marine Force Recon snipers."

And that fact plus you have one hell of a lot of very good combat vets
in the US who align themselves with that side is what makes the militias
more than just a bunch of rag tag, hippie ex Vietnam vets.

Cacophonix
15th Apr 2014, 18:09
As the guy in that video said, we humans lose the plot in our 'political' squabbles between left and right and forget that while we squat fighting in the dust like heretics caught up in our own certainties, far more cynical forces are at work ensuring that their agendas are played out by manipulating our differences...


Caco

rgbrock1
15th Apr 2014, 18:29
Caco:

It's also known as the "divide and conquer" tactics.

500N:

The word "militia" has connotations attached to it, thank you MSM, which often conveys other meanings like "home grown terrorists", "right wing nuts" etc..

I think in reality many, but not all, militia groups are organizations of true-blue Americans who are fed up with the status quo and the constant unconstitutional infringement of the Federal government into just about every aspect of our daily lives. Militia groups tend to bring together, men mostly, those who see the American constitution and Bill of Rights as more than mere scraps of paper to wipe our asses with. They also see the trampling of these rights as an ongoing process. A process that must be eventually reversed and then defeated.

I also feel that the day of reckoning is coming. There is an underlying pulse in this country, aside from those who benefit from the copious amounts of handouts, which is simmering right now. And it'll continue to simmer for a bit more. But, that day of reckoning is coming. I feel it, I know it and I support it. Because things have just got to change. Our founders went through great pains and some paid with their own lives to establish these here United States. And we owe them that much, at the very least, to see to it that these United States remain true to her core values. And return to them as soon as possible. The present course is the wrong course. And it must be changed. It will be changed. I know it will.

500N
15th Apr 2014, 18:35
RGB

Like you, I don't class militias as RW nutters. Some are for sure but it is broader now.