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crewmeal
11th Apr 2014, 06:24
Can anyone with experience of security at LHR possibly give an idea on how World War 1 shells could pass a check before boarding a flight to ORD?

Teenagers smuggle WWI bombs on a Heathrow jet bound for Chicago | Metro News (http://metro.co.uk/2014/04/09/teenagers-smuggle-wwi-bombs-on-a-heathrow-jet-bound-for-chicago-4694131/)

I love the quotue from a spokesman:-

A spokeswoman for Heathrow said: ‘We have the world’s most advanced airport scanning equipment. It is designed to pick up actual threats such as explosive material, whereas these were inert items that posed no threat.’

It makes me cringe :mad:

B Fraser
11th Apr 2014, 07:23
Someone should be fired. :*

acbus1
11th Apr 2014, 10:01
Anyone with eyes and a brain who works in commercial aviation knows full well that security has been and still is far from ideal.

That's my polite version.

ExXB
11th Apr 2014, 10:41
A spokeswoman for Heathrow said: ‘We have the world’s most advanced airport scanning equipment.

Why would you want to scan an airport? :ugh:

IMHO Security is nothing but theatrics.

500N
11th Apr 2014, 10:44
It amazes me that these got through.

It is not like they don't look like shells.

KBPsen
11th Apr 2014, 10:55
What's the problem? It's just a couple of lumps of metal.

500N
11th Apr 2014, 10:57
How did they know that ?

Inert shells are identical to live shells, especially rusted one's like that.

KBPsen
11th Apr 2014, 11:17
If you are referring to the Heathrow screeners then the equipment used to scan baggage will tell them that.

The Americans, after the ritual ado, came to the same conclusion.

Seldomfitforpurpose
11th Apr 2014, 12:31
The fact that the US officials let the kids go without charge would suggest that despite all the huffing and puffing by some this is a lot of a non story :ok:

ExSp33db1rd
11th Apr 2014, 23:10
Why does anyone even query the idiocy of airport security screening ?

like "Military Intelligence", Airport departure security is an oxymoron. ( run by morons, too. )

Don't forget - always carry a bomb with you when travelling by air, there is no known record of there ever having been TWO bombs on board an aircraft.

The Bad Boys will do whatever they want, precisely when they want to do it, present procedures only harass innocent passengers and crew. ( If I were still aircrew I'd be in Guantanamo Bay in an orange jump suit now, 'cos I would have surely hit one of the idiots, just can't understand why the present crew members put up with it so meekly ?)

Recently Mrs ExS was harangued by one of the perpetrators of this pantomime -'cos she had her passport hanging around her neck in one of those pouch things designed for the purpose. She was told that it constituted a - quote - 3rd piece of baggage, and "rules" said she could only carry one piece of cabin baggage and a "personal" item, in this case her handbag. Beggars belief.

Dushan
12th Apr 2014, 02:46
It amazes me that these got through.

It is not like they don't look like shells.


C4 = beep, beep, beep
Semtex = beep, beep,beep
WWI Cordite - not so much...





Note to NSA: these are being listed for illustration purposes by the author of this post. No actual explosives were used in writing of this post.

Dushan
12th Apr 2014, 02:55
Here is a better one...


Pipe bomb security failure at Edmonton airport kept quiet - Edmonton - CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/pipe-bomb-security-failure-at-edmonton-airport-kept-quiet-1.2500934)




Skylar Murphy, 18, of Spruce Grove, Alta., was allowed to board a flight to Mexico on Sept. 20, 2013, with his family because screening personnel did not recognize the pipe bomb he had in a camera bag was an explosive device. The incident was not reported to the RCMP until Sept. 24. Murphy was arrested by the RCMP when he returned from Mexico on Sept. 27.

The teenager was charged with possession of an explosive substance.

Solid Rust Twotter
12th Apr 2014, 07:12
Security theatre. Gives the illusion of security but not worth much in real terms. Half of them wouldn't know what they're looking at and in the third world it's not much more than an excuse to paw through your carry on to satisfy curiosity and perhaps score some toothpaste or a set of nail clippers.

llondel
14th Apr 2014, 05:11
It is irritating at Shanghai when they do a carry-on inspection immediately prior to boarding to remove all water bottles. Most places seem now to have progressed to letting you carry on water you've acquired airside and at SFO they even now point out that you can take an empty bottle through and fill it once past security.

500N
14th Apr 2014, 05:55
Re empty water bottles, I was coming through LAX one day and because of the "no liquids" rule, had my empty coke bottle (which I normally fill with water once through) and the TSA lady bloody well confiscated it saying I wasn't allowed it :rolleyes:

I started to say something and could see I wasn't going to get anywhere
so let it be but the inconsistencies is what gets me.

llondel
14th Apr 2014, 06:15
I got "specially selected for extra security processing"
at SFO once, they quite happily checked out the empty water bottle in the bag along with everything else in there and it was still there at the end.

I was half-expecting problems at Shanghai, so the water bottle in the bag was a re-used one from the hotel that I wasn't too upset to lose.


I don't blame them for that one, single man, one-way flight booked less than 24hrs before departure. I even knew it was going to happen and turned up a bit earlier, because it wouldn't let me check in on-line and I queried it with the airline in case it was problem with the booking.

OFSO
14th Apr 2014, 11:01
In the 1980's I travelled through Frankfurt am Main every week. They really prided themselves on their anti-terrorist security.

When I wrote to them pointing out that someone could wheel a official airport baggage trolley outside, take it home, fit explosives in the tubular structure, bring it back inside and pass it around the luggage scanning system (as one did, to have a trolley on airside for the long march down to the gate) the answer I received was "but nobody would do that". I suppose no German terrorist (i.e. the Red Army Faction) would have done it as it was forbidden.

That was the first time I realised that the entire security system at airports is just for show and that anybody with two brain cells and the ability to defy written regulations can circumvent the whole daft system.

MFC_Fly
14th Apr 2014, 13:00
I used to fly out of Inverness every month with a small hold bag with a few days kit. Was called forward every time for a hand search of the bag.

I then asked the security guy, in a friendly casual way, why it was that this particular bag was always selected for a check - he just said that no bag was repeatedly 'picked on'. I then pointed out that every time for the past 6 flights out of the airport that bag was selected for hand search (I didn't say that I was convinced it was because it was small and therefore a quick simple search!). Funny old thing, I was NEVER stopped for a bag search again at Inverness :ok:

500N
14th Apr 2014, 13:03
OFSO

I flew UK to Aus 4 or 5 times with full leg cast, crutches, metal pins in leg (and I took my X rays along)
.
Sure glad that was the 80's and not now. Would be a bloody nightmare.

cattletruck
14th Apr 2014, 13:48
TSA - Thousands Standing Around.

Yep, it's all for show, but if you give them a reason to cast you into the play then you can rest assured that they will run the full script by you.

KBPsen
14th Apr 2014, 13:57
Just as all you need to be an expert on all things aviation is an uncle who have a friend who once ate some salted peanuts on a flight between Boganville and Hickstown, apparently all you need to be an expert on security at airports is to once have been at one.

Must be why such gems as "the entire security system at airports is just for show" and "The Bad Boys will do whatever they want, precisely when they want to do it, present procedures only harass innocent passengers and crew" can be delivered without blushing.

Dunning and Kruger haven't lived in vain.

MadsDad
14th Apr 2014, 16:17
Not air related but. Years back I used to travel back every Friday on the Le Havre - Southampton ferry and after getting off the ferry needed a taxi to the station. And there were never many taxis round a t that time of the morning.
So, I gets off the ferry and am dashing for the exit and the rank when I get called over by the customs bloke. Heave the bag onto the counter and start opening it saying "I didn't think it was my turn this week"
"Pardon, sir", he says "I don't understand"
"Well, generally I get stopped every other week. I got stopped last week so I thought it wasn't my turn this week and I was trying for a taxi" says I
"Oh, right then" says he, chalking the bag and waving me off.

tony draper
14th Apr 2014, 16:38
I was always stopped by the Customs,sadly I have a criminal face.:(

Dushan
14th Apr 2014, 17:38
Just as all you need to be an expert on all things aviation is an uncle who have a friend who once ate some salted peanuts on a flight between Boganville and Hickstown, apparently all you need to be an expert on security at airports is to once have been at one.

Must be why such gems as "the entire security system at airports is just for show" and "The Bad Boys will do whatever they want, precisely when they want to do it, present procedures only harass innocent passengers and crew" can be delivered without blushing.

Dunning and Kruger haven't lived in vain.

Don't leave us in suspense, please tell us more.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
14th Apr 2014, 23:31
I delivered a Cessna 152 to Israel from the USA in the 1990's, landing at Ben Gurion. The permission to enter Israeli airspace required a lot of checks, but when I actually landed there were no procedures at all. I eventually got into the arrivals section via a ground level maintenance door. After wandering through the corridors for a bit, I came out into the main hall, insecure side. I went to various desks (including Police) trying to get checked, no joy. I tried to get my passport checked, but I had to get in to get out, and they wouldn't let me in without a boarding pass.
When I left on a commercial flight a few days later, they were very interested in someone leaving without an entry stamp. I had four interviews with, judging by the suit quality, increasingly important 'special' security types. It was all very polite, and actually conveniently filled the check-in wait (which is long with El Al). They clearly knew I was ex-RAF, and were just trying to work out how their procedures had failed, rather than blaming me for it.

cattletruck
15th Apr 2014, 02:49
Don't leave us in suspense, please tell us more. Yes, how does KBPsen know so much about my uncle's mate's penchant for salted peanuts in flight?

ExSp33db1rd
15th Apr 2014, 03:33
"The Bad Boys will do whatever they want, precisely when they want to do it, present procedures only harass innocent passengers and crew" can be delivered without blushing.But you know it's right.

Entering AUS as crew it was ( and maybe still is ) mandatory to complete a Customs Declaration, the "Form 5" I think it was,(?) which was scrutinised and scribbled on and returned, then it was handed in on departure.

I think the object was to prove that one was taking out all the hardware and currency that one had imported inbound duty free by concession, in case - horrors of horrors - one had sold ones camera to a native and made a personal profit from such illegal trading.

One trip, the Flt. Eng. went sick and a replacement was flown in as passenger, so never had a crew Form 5, so on departure didn't have one to hand back. Total chaos within the AUS Immigration dept. - a crew member MUST have a Form 5. end of story, no exceptions.

300+ passengers, and the airlines operational need for aircraft to keep moving Worldwide, were of no consequence, "requirements" had to be observed.

Eventually one of the crew sneaked around to an unmanned Imm. desk and returned with a blank Form 5, on which the engineer wrote his name, and scribbled "bollocks" across it.

Officialdom satisfied, Form 5 deposited by crew member on departure.

Month Python couldn't have made it up, the TSA are but amateurs compared to AUS Imm. of that era.

gupta
15th Apr 2014, 04:34
Going back in time to Oz of the early 90's...

Dept of Transport ruled that Ayers Rock (Yulara) airport was to become a security screened facility. Now anyone who has been to the Yulara Resort knows that it was a "company town" ie you needed to be employed there to be able to live there. The screening contractor waltzes into town to hire staff - lo and behold, the only people they could find were those whose partners worked at the resort but were incapable of gainful employment themselves...

Oh and the GA & RPT aprons were all in one, so we had to paint a line on the tarmac so that GA didn't venture onto the RPT apron :ugh:

KBPsen
15th Apr 2014, 17:58
But you know it's right.That you think it is only shows how little you know.