View Full Version : Back when they made beautiful sailing ships.

8th Apr 2014, 21:06
The Flying P-Liners - YouTube

Impressive ships, glad to see some still afloat in on the water museums and one still sailing. :ok:

8th Apr 2014, 21:17
Beautiful vessels-thanks Con

eastern wiseguy
8th Apr 2014, 21:43
Impressive . The amount of sail that they are carrying must have been terrifying in a blow! Respect to the guys who manned them.

In another part of the spectrum. For sheer beauty I think you are hard pressed to beat a J class.


West Coast
8th Apr 2014, 22:38
USCGC Eagle (WIX-327) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Eagle_%28WIX-327%29)

And she has a checkered past to boot.

Um... lifting...
9th Apr 2014, 01:12
You only think you've been bored until you've spent a night watch making baggywrinkle aboard Eagle.

Boudreaux Bob
9th Apr 2014, 02:56

USS Constitution under Sail and Underway!

9th Apr 2014, 04:22
Aye mates;
The biggest sailing ship was German, steel hulled and the sails generated 5000 HP.
Them were the days.

We had a thread on Cutty Sark some 12-13 years ago, she was damaged in a fire in Greenwich...?

Sold my 33' sailboat last year, the 600 square foot sails generated about 15 HP in a 15 knot breeze. Sure miss the boat: Slow but steady, pretty much like the owner:cool:

9th Apr 2014, 05:39
Ahhh - the J-class.
That is a yacht.
Especially with those giant sails, that skinny transom and stern overhang.

9th Apr 2014, 05:50
The old Horst Wessel! Namesake of a stirring song worthy of a sea shanty.


9th Apr 2014, 07:07
The magic of being aloft - up the rigging - in a storm out on a lonely ocean has never been captured in writing better than by Eric Newby in his first book - "The Last Grain Race" - available for a wallet-busting 0.01 on A****n UK - the best penny you will spend today..
And for anyone out there in Philly, Newby's ship was the "Moshulu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshulu)" - now a restaurant (http://www.moshulu.com/) at Penn's Landing..

9th Apr 2014, 07:19
One of my most favourite books 'The Last Grain Race'. :ok:

We get a lot of tall ships visiting the islands and expect to see some more this year in the run up to the Tall Ships Regatta in Falmouth during late August.


tony draper
9th Apr 2014, 07:19
Some great names there,names that echoed down the years,but one suspect crewing them was hard and brutal work.
Agree re Newby's Last Grain Race.:ok:

9th Apr 2014, 07:28
It was a shock to realise how small the hull of Cutty Sark is. I turned up at Greenwich (years before the fire) expecting something at least twice as big.

Beautiful shape, though.

Must visit the new display; the 'glazed sea' enclosure (if I can call it that) is a brilliant concept.

9th Apr 2014, 07:28
I was surprised how many sailing ships there were in Boston when I visited. I can't remember the name of this one just up the coast in Salem I think it was.


9th Apr 2014, 07:32
I really like Tall ships and live close to Williamstown in Victoria which was the first port for Melbourne. Some great pictures and paintings exist of the ships that came out and of course we have one hell of a lot of tall ship wrecks.

As a kid I used to love watching an Adventure program called - I think - Barrier Reef, set on a tall ship.

9th Apr 2014, 07:49
I feel a Masefield moment coming on... :\

Alloa Akbar
9th Apr 2014, 08:25
Ahh these ships remind me of an old flame, she had fabulously large hooters, which, when restrained by her blouse, spawned the phrase "Last time I saw linen stretched that tight the Cutty Sark was doing full power sea trials" :ok:

tony draper
9th Apr 2014, 09:00
Seems oft to be the case that after years of trial and error our works finally achieve near perfection of form and function and then immediately become obsolete.

9th Apr 2014, 09:28
Still used for initial Navy Officer training... :ok:


9th Apr 2014, 11:44
Just for trivia the USS Constitution was used as the basis for the CGI rendition of the French frigate "Acheron" in Peter Weir's film "Master & Commander: The Far Side Of The World".

I loved the clip of the "Velsheda". There was something so graceful about those J Class yachts and I note that there are or will be a couple of new ones to join those refurbished examples.

Also for a cracking read follow this (http://gutenberg.net.au/plusfifty-a-m.html#lightoller) link. He was the only surviving officer from the Titanic but his account of his life at sea is far more interesting than that disaster.

9th Apr 2014, 11:53
...one of the most beautiful sights I've seen was watching the GF leaving Muscat harbour. A little tug came alongside and obviously offered to tow her out side the harbour mouth which quite narrow. The Captain, one Otto von Schnurbein, a name almost as impressive as the ship, appeared to decline.
The crew of cadets were manning all the yards in immaculate whites.

The topsails were dropped first and the bowlines cast off. The little breeze gently filled the sails and the bow moved away from the wall. Then the aft lines were cast off and she slowly edged forward.

As the speed increased the next layer of sails came down (don't know the proper terminology) and the speed picked up a tad more to give control steering for the narrow channel. Finally as she cleared the entrance the main sails all came down simultaneously, caught all the breeze and she heeled over and really got going. We sat on the hill overlooking the entrance and watched her out of sight.


The Ancient Mariner

Ancient Mariner
9th Apr 2014, 12:02
My father and uncle started their maritime careers onboard the Statsraad Lemkuhl.
http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o702/perebs/Statsraad_Lehmkuhl_royal_yard_zps2343ba55.jpg (http://s1339.photobucket.com/user/perebs/media/Statsraad_Lehmkuhl_royal_yard_zps2343ba55.jpg.html)

Then of course they invented diesel engines and the idea of drifting around the Sevens Seas at the mercy of the Gods of Wind became obsolete.
As a sensible lad of 14 years of world experience I therefore started out on the M/Y Gann, ex Vanadis, Warrior, Troubadour, King, Cort Adeler, Brand VI and Vikingfjord.
She was built in 1924 at Fried. Krupp Germania -Werft in Kiel for C.K.G. Billings New York. Later Barbara Hutton received her as a gift from her father before she sold it, at a rumoured one dollar, to the Royal Navy in, I think 1939.
She is now a floating restaurant in Stockholm.
Even diesel powered ships can look good.

http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o702/perebs/MYGann_zps9017ab25.jpeg (http://s1339.photobucket.com/user/perebs/media/MYGann_zps9017ab25.jpeg.html)

tony draper
9th Apr 2014, 12:11
I once posted a record kept by a sailor on one of the Convict Ships carrying new 'citizens' to Australia,very interesting,will see if I can dig it up again.:)

9th Apr 2014, 12:19
Not in quite the same league as the Flying P-liners or the J-class - but we have the STS Leeuwin locally, which provides a regularly pretty spectacle, just off the coast.


She's 55 metres, and was built in 1986 with a steel hull - so she'll be around for a while yet.

Leeuwin Ocean Adventure | Challenging, inspiring since 1986 (http://www.sailleeuwin.com/)

The advantage here is that you can purchase a short sail (3 hrs), or a 5-7 day voyage up and down the West Australian coast.
Groups such as schools and other training organisations can charter the ship and take up to 40 people on the cruise.
Everyone gets to be part of the crew and learns to splice the mainbrace, climb up and down ropes, and all that kind of seagoing stuff (and throw up over the side if you're anything like me as a sailor). :yuk:

The beauty of this ship is that it's used to teach a lot of youngsters a lot of life skills, and it's always in high demand for this specific purpose.
She's also available for private and corporate charter as well.

The West Australian coast is the last resting place for many a sailing ship - with over 1400 known shipwrecks along our long and treacherous coastline.
There's a number of VOC ships that were laden with serious amounts of currency that came to grief on our shores - and a lot of that treasure has never been recovered.
It's no longer available to be recovered, our "historic shipwrecks" laws protects every wreck on the coast over 75 yrs old, and out to the edge of the continental shelf, and you can't touch them. :(

Shipwrecks of Western Australia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shipwrecks_of_Western_Australia)

Dan Gerous
9th Apr 2014, 12:32
Another thumbs up for the Eric Newby book.

tony draper
9th Apr 2014, 12:38
Found that diary,this is obviously the first page,there are another seven all closely typed,cant tell in what order they fall as they are not numbered,perhaps this is not the thread for them anyway as it's about ships not the bods that crewed em.
Anyway gives you a taste, might upset the Podlonians though,when becalmed they had to eat half a dozen of the passengers.:rolleyes:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/Deaddogbay/AnABsdiaryin1830.jpg (http://s11.photobucket.com/user/Deaddogbay/media/AnABsdiaryin1830.jpg.html)

tony draper
9th Apr 2014, 15:20
Not a wind ship but a bit of lumpy water.:uhoh:
Warship vs. Big Waves. [VIDEO] (http://www.wimp.com/warshipwaves/)

Ancient Mariner
9th Apr 2014, 16:39
Interesting, if you look at 01:58 it looks like part of her bottom is missing.

tony draper
9th Apr 2014, 17:20
Think it is just some sonar kit bolted to the bottom of her bow.:)

9th Apr 2014, 17:42
con-pilot might be pleasantly surprised to know that we still build some big (beauty is in the mind of the beholder) sailboats these days. Here is the S/Y Maltese Falcon 88m. (built in Turkey, finished in Italy 2006) whose sail arrangements are reminiscent of the olden-day square-rigs, but are completely automated and "push-button controlled" ca. 2014 :


More info on this sailing yacht and others here (http://www.superyachts.com/largest-yachts/worlds-largest-yachts-live.htm?property_yacht_builder_id=&country_id_build=&property_yacht_type_id=2&property_length_type_id=1).

PS. If you got rid of all the sumptuous owner and guest accommodations, put all the crew into 1 cabin (reserving 1 private cabin for the skipper of course), there would remain a fair amount of cargo-carrying capacity if ever she had to be converted to say Caribbean "inter-island trading activities" one day. But that would be like converting a Gulfstream GV into a cargo airplane... ;)

9th Apr 2014, 17:49
Now that is one good looking yacht airship. :ok:

10th Apr 2014, 03:00
Pushbutton-controlled sailing?? The mind boggles. What next? Sailors who are too scared to get a little wet?? :rolleyes:

John Hill
10th Apr 2014, 03:33
All in a days work!


Boudreaux Bob
10th Apr 2014, 03:38
I single handed my 41 Foot Cutter Rigged Ketch for four years. Well, me and the Ship's Cat. No bigger thrill than to be underway in 25 knots of wind, all four sails up and full, auto pilot steering, music playing, Full Moon over head, and a Shrimp Mango Curry for Evening Chow and the Serving Wench wearing nothing but a Smile and half a Bikini!

11th Apr 2014, 21:35
It was a shock to realise how small the hull of Cutty Sark is. I turned up at Greenwich (years before the fire) expecting something at least twice as big.

Beautiful shape, though.

Must visit the new display; the 'glazed sea' enclosure (if I can call it that) is a brilliant concept.

I wouldn't bother. It's heart-breaking to see what happens when corporate types get involved. What should have been done was to have the ship surrounds glazed over at waterline level to see what she would have looked like in the water. It would then be possible to wander underneath the glazing to see the beautiful shape that the young genius Hercules Linton designed especially the way that the aft part of the hull curves up.
Instead of which "they" raised the hull and then glazed it to enable the space underneath to be rented out for corporate do's at vast expense.It looks awful.

12th Apr 2014, 03:34
I was fortunate enough to spend 2 weeks sailing on this lovely lady in the southern ocean, HMB Endeavour replica.


We caught a force 10/11 storm on the 40th (approx 200 nm south of aus mainland) and never once did the ship scare me. I rate it up there as one of the best experiences of my life.

Super VC-10
12th Apr 2014, 09:04
They're still building them. The Royal Oman Navy had a new sail training ship built last year.


12th Apr 2014, 18:28
....the previous one was built in the Buckie shipyard now much reduced, There was a big brass plate on the deck to say so. (They didn't offer G&Ts during a ship visit, boohoo!)

The Ancient Mariner

PS it was on the same visit when we saw the Gorsch Fock, see above

13th Apr 2014, 00:56
Yougest daughter came home yesterday - complete with certificate that she had climbed the rigging on the Great Britain!

She doesn't want a career at sea, but loves playing on or with boats