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Bond'll Do
7th Apr 2014, 02:12
Well, where are we in the UK with some domestic/European flights provided by the so-called RAF Royal flights?

Longer-haul flights for Royalty and PM etc., are just outsourced. Sometimes at great expense on B.A. aircraft...other times charters or RAF aircraft.

Perhaps we could have a 'state' aircraft, such as an A-330, B767/787 or upcoming A-350 to do the duties?

We don't have the Royal Yacht Britannia anymore...what are the economics of having a 'State' aircraft? Perhaps cheaper than chartering ad-hoc? e.g. how much did we pay for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge & Georgey baby to go to N.Z./AUS for 3 weeks just now? Anyone know how much this 'charter cost' and what airline involved?

I'd rather have a kinda 'Global/Royal/PM' type of aircraft on trade/diplomatic missions abroad...however, I'm not a 'bean counter'. The kudos & PR of such an a/c could perhaps outweigh current costs?

Comments?

500N
7th Apr 2014, 02:18
"They arrived on a Qantas flight from Britain just after 7am and were driven in convoy to the tarmac where they boarded a Royal New Zealand Air Force plane to Wellington.

From what I have read, 3 or 4 of the entourage went 1st class, the other ?? 7 or so went how ever they went, possibly on the same aircraft.

Hope that answers some of your questions.


IMHO, nothing wrong with Royals traveling on normal BA or Qantas aircraft / schedule flights. Do they really need a special aircraft ? Just asking.

If it's good enough for the Queen ........ ?

EW73
7th Apr 2014, 02:21
I think you'll find that the people of Australia and New Zealand will be forking out for this royal tour, transport, security, accomodation, the lot! :\

Aisle Dweller
7th Apr 2014, 02:54
I really don't care in what aircraft those Royals fly as long as the Australian tax payer does not have to pay the bill.

toffeez
7th Apr 2014, 06:03
Er ...

Buy a $200m plane and use it once a month for 15 years?

That makes $1 million a trip, before minor items like fuel, maintenance etc.

LeadSled
7th Apr 2014, 06:24
Isle Dweller,
It will not make you happy to learn that the Australian taxpayers will be picking up 100% of the cost of the Australian tour.
Tootle pip!!

Al Murdoch
7th Apr 2014, 07:26
It seems odd that just about every country in the world has an aircraft available for the use of the head of state, government etc, even Italy has a massive fleet of them. What have we got? The Queen travels even over short distances by chartered private jet. It's just embarrassing and I would have thought a question of prestige.

Al Murdoch
7th Apr 2014, 07:27
those Royals

I'm detecting a balanced Australian...

4Greens
7th Apr 2014, 07:44
Commercial operator, given adequate security is by far the most economic option.

harrryw
7th Apr 2014, 07:53
As a non royalist it pains me to say this.
Prestige is something you have, you do not need to show off to have it. The Royal Family does have prestige.

dixi188
7th Apr 2014, 08:25
IIRC when Tony Blair became PM he wanted a Tristar as his personal transport, (Blair Force One).

Obviously a true socialist :rolleyes:

vctenderness
7th Apr 2014, 08:41
.....and he couldn't get rid of the royal yacht quick enough!

If my memory serves me well he got very, very close to actually ordering a jet for himself and the wicked witch mind you he could have shared her broomstick:}

Lon More
7th Apr 2014, 11:42
very close to actually ordering a jet for himself and the wicked witch
What, he was going to share a plane with Thatcher http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/hand-gestures/crossing-oneself-christian-smiley-emoticon.gif ?

B Fraser
7th Apr 2014, 11:55
I'm detecting a balanced Australian...

What, shackles on both ankles ?

Only kidding ockers, I'm quite an Australophile.

tony draper
7th Apr 2014, 14:02
People forget we tried having a president rather than a Monarch for eleven years,and long before anybody else tried it,we realized what a arse we had made of things and got a king back as quickly as we could.
:rolleyes:

airship
7th Apr 2014, 20:08
I stand to be corrected, but the current French President François Hollande appears to be very satisfied with France's equivalent. Inherited from his arch-enemy ex. President Nicholas Sarkozy, who upgraded the fleet to include an Airbus A-330 to replace smaller airplanes such as the Dassault Falcons. At least (and in spite of all the austerity measures), the fleet he inherited remains intact. And to all intents and purposes, President Hollande has been using the fleet to maximum capacity almost since taking office. Seeing how unpopular he was with the French electors. And deciding to spend as much time as possible travelling outside of France aboard the A-330 as consequence...?! :ok:

tony draper
7th Apr 2014, 21:11
Were it not for our Kings and Queens the last thousand years of our History would be very boring.:rolleyes:

redsnail
7th Apr 2014, 21:38
I've done govt flights (not for the British Govt) and flown Royals around (on private business).

I'd rather a country who's a bit broke charter an aircraft on an "as and when" basis rather than waste their citizens money.

A A Gruntpuddock
7th Apr 2014, 21:59
"Buy a $200m plane and use it once a month for 15 years?"

So, by this logic, the Obamas are actually saving money by flying off in all directions?

I think the main justificationss for having dedicated aircraft are security, security and security.

Not just for the 'vips' but also for the public who might become involved in a terrorist attack.

500N
7th Apr 2014, 22:10
I know this is UK Gov't and Royals but it seems our PM's RAAF A330 has just been grounded :rolleyes: The whole entourage is stuck in Japan !

Plane malfunction hits Tony Abbott's Korean visit (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/plane-malfunction-hits-tony-abbotts-korean-visit-20140408-zqs2p.html)

funfly
7th Apr 2014, 23:00
Were it not for our Kings and Queens the last thousand years of our History would be very boring

Tony, I have always felt that our Royal family are, and have always been, a costly and malfunctional controlling power of our beloved country. You have now provided me with the only justification for their existence - and actually a very good one. :ok:

Solid Rust Twotter
8th Apr 2014, 05:51
I think the main justificationss for having dedicated aircraft are security, security and security.


As pseudo dictator/dictator in waiting/despot du jour of a tinpot regime, it apparently also makes your willy look bigger and allows your minions to blow even more smoke up your arse.

Worrals in the wilds
8th Apr 2014, 06:12
The King of Morocco and the President of Ethiopia share a jet.
It came here once and we all wondered how they worked out the schedule; whether it was on a timeshare basis, whether it was first in best dressed or whether they synchonised their overseas junkets. :} We figured there'd have to be the occasional disagreement.

John Eacott
8th Apr 2014, 06:37
I know this is UK Gov't and Royals but it seems our PM's RAAF A330 has just been grounded :rolleyes: The whole entourage is stuck in Japan !

It's the 330 which is taking the entourage around: the PM is in a 737 and has already arrived in Korea to sign another FTA.

Blacksheep
8th Apr 2014, 07:09
In the days of the VC10 we used to bung in a "VVIP Fit" - a few airline 1st class seats, a divan and a sofa, a dressing table and a couple of partitions and Bob's your Uncle - a long-haul Royal Aeroplane. 'One' could even fly 'one's' Royal Standard out of the periscopic sextant hole. We always prepared a spare just in case - one done by the Hangar and the other by Line. [The Line back-up aircraft did the honours twice while I was on LSS.]

The Royal Air Force no longer has a suitable in-service airliner model to continue the tradition. That RNZAF B757 is a pretty good equivalent, trooping one day and VVIP transporting another. They have two, maybe we could borrow one off them?

Worrals in the wilds
8th Apr 2014, 08:10
It's the 330 which is taking the entourage around: Isn't that one of the mid air refuellers? Have they multitasked the aircraft by sticking a few comfy seats in the front for pollies or are they all crouching in the back wearing webbing, eating tinned stew and ANZAC biscuits? :confused:

http://images.theage.com.au/2014/04/08/5331360/grounded-plane-main-620x349.jpg

I thought the PM/GG had a BBJ...
http://editthis.info/images/daily_escape/e/e4/RAAFBBJ.jpg
EDIT: now I'm monstrously confused. Channel nine has just covered the story and used pictures of both the A330 and the BBJ in the same article...:confused::confused:

Lon More
8th Apr 2014, 08:53
It could be justified in Oz due to the sheer size of the place.


Maybe a Royal Bus would be more appropriate for the UK. This would do nicely.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/Big_Bus_Cyclops_1.jpg


Or maybe an old Routemaster would appease the traditionalists

tony draper
8th Apr 2014, 09:05
Or mebee that super gun,we could fire the politician from where they are the few hundred miles to where they want to be,give them a hard hat for the landing.
:)

Lon More
8th Apr 2014, 09:07
give them a hard hat for the landing.

Wouldn't bother. CMD would make a lovely stain on the horizon

John Eacott
8th Apr 2014, 09:10
EDIT: now I'm monstrously confused. Channel nine has just covered the story and used pictures of both the A330 and the BBJ in the same article...:confused::confused:

Confused? Why?

The A330 (KC-30A) MRTT is a Multi Role Tanker Transport, with capabilities in each role, operated by 33 Squadron.

The Boeing 737 BBJ is operated by 34 Squadron on lease from Qantas Defence Services, for long range transport and VIPops.

500N
8th Apr 2014, 09:10
I thought this might be more suitable ;) :O

http://i61.tinypic.com/27zch37.jpg

http://i62.tinypic.com/2usjxwm.jpg

Worrals in the wilds
8th Apr 2014, 09:27
The A330 (KC-30A) MRTT is a Multi Role Tanker Transport, with capabilities in each role, operated by 33 Squadron.
Okay, cheers. I didn't know they had a VIP pax capacity. :8
Do they do kids' parties? :}:}