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racedo
30th Mar 2014, 16:35
Figured we needed an intriguing thread regarding how you would or could disappear, permanently or temporarily.

Ok we know the easy bit about taking all cash, getting rid of all electronic devices, cars and anything that will lead back to old life but what else.

I'm not planning to disappear.........voluntarily anyway.

OFSO
30th Mar 2014, 16:40
At the time of the El Al 1862 cargo 747 disaster I was discussing with friends the fact that it would be an excellent time to disappear. Drive to Amsterdam, leave your car by the ruined apartment block, and away you go. I was surprised how many of my friends* had had the same thought. They never found or identified exactly who was killed then.

* All married men, by the way.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
30th Mar 2014, 16:47
Do you wish to do it in a day or over a period of time?
The latter would be much easier. As ever, some forward planning would help.

Hobo
30th Mar 2014, 16:52
There I was gone!

goudie
30th Mar 2014, 17:06
Come out Hobo. We know you're in there somewhere.

Gertrude the Wombat
30th Mar 2014, 17:27
With modern image search technologies you'd have to go somewhere with no CCTV ... and with no mobile phones, not even tourists', otherwise pictures of you are going to appear on Facebook sooner or later and be identifiable.

Most such places, if there are any left in the world, have, one would imagine, communities where everybody knows everybody and where a stranger, particularly one with a white skin, would immediately become the subject of gossip for miles around.

Basically I don't think it can be done any more.

dazdaz1
30th Mar 2014, 17:32
Lord Lucan did a good job of it. You need cash and cash. Not now, I recall not so long ago a person wanted to withdraw a large amount of cash from his bank account.......No chance!!!! The bank said, something to do with money laundering, they even have dogs at the airports that 'sniff' paper money.

Plastic (credit cards) can be traced wherever in the world you are. If one is really going to go 'underground' small gold ingots purchased (even in the UK) over lets say a two year period before ones.....Disappearance:E

If you have big $$$$$/ a nursing home is the best place to lie low, pay for the best room, assisted shower (can be fun) and no questions asked when paying cash. Having said that, one would have to dodge the old dears looking for some...Past memories:hmm:

PingDit
30th Mar 2014, 17:32
Possibly buy a false passport and then just leave a pile of clothes on the beach with some ID in them or alternatively, manoeuvre your car over a quayside with the drivers window open then disappear...

MikeBanahan
30th Mar 2014, 17:33
From personal experience, if you can sail a yacht (not a desperately hard skill to acquire but one worth learning properly before the disappearance) you can more or less evaporate when it suits you.

A properly seaworthy vessel can be obtained for a few tens of thousands and would be quite comfortable to live aboard - even luxurious if you spend at the upper end - saving you a lot of cost on accommodation if you are away for long (and you can flog it after, too, getting most of your money back). Moored somewhere discreet you can slip away when it suits you and head off into the blue yonder at almost no notice. Yes, there is a very small risk that you will be intercepted by customs and border patrols but that risk is small indeed if you pick the right destinations.

Nip down to to Gibraltar and into the Med, you could spend ages amongst the obscure Greek islands with nobody paying you the slightest attention. I've sailed around the Ionian at length and whether you anchor off or moor at the local town quay, you get entirely ignored. In most places the local taverna owners will give you shore power and water in return for you buying a drink or a meal occasionally and provisioning is no problem, not even expensive. If your papers are in order, if the local plod does ask, they just take a quick bored look then wave you on your way. There's quite a community of expats who live in exactly that way down there and you can move from place to place without attracting attention, joining in with the cash economy trading on your skills if you feel like it.

If you needed to get down there quicker, take cash and buy the boat when you get there, or have it ready for when you want it and head on down by train for anonymity.

Having your own movable accommodation means you aren't fussing with showing passports at hotels or when renting a place and you can move from country to country as it suits you. A bit of advance research on the diligence of the local customs officers would gild the lily and if you choose to stay somewhere for a while, then befriend the locals, do a few favours for them and they'll let you know whether or not anyone has been asking questions about you or is taking an unhealthy interest in your doings. In many of those communities the police and the authorities have very little sway. You will probably get a warning if a 'snap' inspection or clamp-down is supposed to happen.

And what a hell of a place to disappear to!

OFSO
30th Mar 2014, 17:42
communities where everybody knows everybody

Hmmm. We have had people come and go here and nobody ever knew who they were. Germans know German expats and British know British, etc., but only if they mingle. Many Germans here to whom I have only ever spoken in German would never identify me as anything else. There's no requirement to register here other than getting a number, all bills are paid by direct debit, so one never has to turn up in person. Even the taxes, non-resident or resident, are handled by a gestoria. A lot or properties are owned by dead people, they deceased back in their home lands, 'authorities' in Spain were never informed, relatives continue to use the house.

A Spanish expat community is the idea place to disappear, let us say if, for example, you were living on the proceeds of a robbery. Buy a moderately-sized villa, drive a modest Spanish car, don't throw your cash around locally, don't hold flash parties, don't use drugs, don't drink too much, learn a second language or two......

To return to the theme of this thread, it's all about being prepared.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
30th Mar 2014, 17:47
Who is likely to be looking for you?
The Authorities (clandestine or just the Plods), bad guys or relatives?
The avoidance techniques would, I imagine, vary quite a bit.

tony draper
30th Mar 2014, 18:03
On the other hand you could just put on a Burka and walk out the door.:rolleyes:

acbus1
30th Mar 2014, 18:29
Upset the Jet Blast Mods. :}

acbus1
30th Mar 2014, 18:31
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disappear, too.

funfly
30th Mar 2014, 18:41
How?





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OFSO
30th Mar 2014, 19:55
One of my acquaintances here, English, married with two children in school, disappeared a few years ago. With no warning Chris was gone from being "full time here with own house, hobbies, member of several clubs, friends" in two weeks. We heard he went to Canada but who knows ? Then someone said he'd gone to New Zealand, or maybe he was back in Canada, or.....

Kids pulled out of school here, house left with an estate agent to be sold - and the estate agent didn't even have an address for him, contacted me, I had an e-mail address but nothing more - never said goodby, neither did his wife to her friends or the kids to schoolfriends. No Christmas cards, no birthday cards, nothing.

And as far as I know (must admit, I don't know all that many British people here) nobody ever hear anything from him again - rumours, that's all. Vanished off the face of the earth.

Little cloud
30th Mar 2014, 20:59
Some years ago a body was found in a tent in a very remote area of the Scottish Highlands. The person had gone to great lengths to avoid being identified, clothing labels removed, no papers etc. I think it remained a mystery for many years but eventually the body was identified as a young German man. Can't find any references on the web though.

Lightning Mate
30th Mar 2014, 21:11
Nick a B777.

racedo
30th Mar 2014, 21:12
At the time of the El Al 1862 cargo 747 disaster I was discussing with friends the fact that it would be an excellent time to disappear.

I was told by friends of someone they came across in the US who was "alledgedly" from New York and had worked in the city. On 9/11/2001 he disappeared leaving everything behind.
New town, new part of country and nobody really interested in where he was from.

racedo
30th Mar 2014, 21:22
Most such places, if there are any left in the world, have, one would imagine, communities where everybody knows everybody and where a stranger, particularly one with a white skin, would immediately become the subject of gossip for miles around.

It depends whether you have planned it before hand................say for example you wished to disappear from UK into Europe, 3 years before you start visiting the place, easily done so face gets known, live next to OFSO so have 3 weeks in Portugal booked in a Villa, train to Catalonia all in cash and stay for 3 weeks, no cards, no phone, no internet. Keep doing it until you known and rent a place for cash so can come and go.
Cash is easy............Gambling habit where visit various Casinos, always have a meal and stay late and do some gambling, constant complain to friends that on a losing streak year or so beforehand.

tony draper
30th Mar 2014, 21:29
We have a family friend who unknowingly shared a identical National Insurance number with another bloke,this was not a case of Identity theft but a mix up at some Ministry decades before,they were both unaware of the other until tother bloke started to increasingly get into into trouble with the Police,that's when their lives collided and the poo hit the fan
The problem wasn't helped by the various Ministries refusing to accept this mistake could ever happen and if it had happened it definitely wasn't their fault,it was sorted eventually,but it was a rather Kafkaesque situation for a while for both of them I suppose,more so for our friend.
:uhoh:

John Hill
30th Mar 2014, 21:48
If you are female just get married and all your previous life get filed away somewhere and forgotten, almost.

mattpilot
30th Mar 2014, 22:04
Talk to the mafia - I hear they are quite skilled in making people disappear.

Limeygal
30th Mar 2014, 22:09
If you hadn't done anything illegal-who would be looking for you? If your life was so crappy that you wanted to just disappear, presumably you wouldn't care that family members might miss you. Just stay off bloody Faffbook:)

tony draper
30th Mar 2014, 22:11
I thought adults were allowed to disappear if they so wished? well to simply walk out on their present lives without frinstance the police being involved.:uhoh:

Keef
30th Mar 2014, 22:24
Indeed they are, Tony - as long as they don't owe anybody anything. But the Inland Revenue will have a view on that ;)

moosp
30th Mar 2014, 22:34
As already stated, it depends who is looking for you. It is easy to leave a city or village and have people say, ooh he disappeared off the face of the earth! But that is because they are not really looking for you.

In these electronic signature days the first thing is to go electronically silent. Period. Unless you access an internet cafe where they do not take your ID (getting more rare around the world..) then you must be off the web. No banking, so no credit or debit cards. No hotels (ID), no car rental, no car puchase, no air travel (ditto), no phones unless public call boxes for short periods only. No crossing of international borders outside of Shengen and a few others.

In some countries now there is a maximum sum you can spend in cash on any one item. (3000 euro in France for instance) so that restricts large purchases. And when your stash of cash runs out, what next?

You will at some stage need another identity, and that is where time and money comes into it. I started to investigate the process some years ago and got quite a long way until I got to the illegal bit and then stopped, as it was purely an academic exercise, but given three years I think it can still be done in most countries.

With photo identification from street cameras in many countries you would need a bit of facial modification, Brasil is probably your best bet for that, and a reliable source of alternative DNA may be needed.(Chinese convicts cadavers can be bought)

It just goes on. so if it is family or friends you are running from, relatively easy. If it is the big boys in the Law, you need to be a bit more creative.

500N
30th Mar 2014, 22:47
"You will at some stage need another identity,"

You should get it before you decide to vacate your previous life.
And also set up bank accounts in another name.
It's not that hard, especially if you have people visiting from OS.


"Unless you access an internet cafe where they do not take your ID (getting more rare around the world..) then you must be off the web."

With free Wi Fi in nearly every McDonald's store in Australia, not that much of a problem getting on the net.

tony draper
30th Mar 2014, 23:04
It would perhaps be best to arrange your own death, selecting a replacement for the actual deed of course,then take over the identity of your corpse,the substitute would have to be carefully selected obviously,you dont want to take over the identity of someone who is in deeper poo than yourself.
:rolleyes:
Hmmm, this gives me a idea,perhaps one could start a website offering a identity exchange betwixt willing persons.:E
For a small fee of course

G-CPTN
31st Mar 2014, 00:07
set up bank accounts in another nameIn the UK you will need 'ID' to circumvent 'money laundering'.

I have been denied a bank account with the bank that I was with from 1962 until it lapsed through lack of use in the 1990s - they point-blank refused to reinstate my account or allow me to open a new one without passport (which I don't have it having expired), photo-driving licence (I still have one without the photograph) as well as utility bills (those were easy, but the absence of the others meant that I was point-blank refused . . . ).

That bank has lost out on my pension lump sums (approaching 100K) through their reticence.

500N
31st Mar 2014, 00:13
G-CPTN

You missed the focus of what I wrote. See the second sentence.
You don't open the account, someone else does, then you use it.

No, I haven't done it but it is a known method.

EBCAU
31st Mar 2014, 00:30
You could just fly Malaysian Airlines. That works.

ExSp33db1rd
31st Mar 2014, 02:10
That bank has lost out on my pension lump sums (approaching 100K) through their reticence.

Yup, been there, done that - and try it from a foreign address, might just as well tattoo "money launderer supporting Al Queda" across ones' forehead.

Fail to see why banks are continuing in business with their present policies, gold coins under the bed a better bet.

Barstewards

Worrals in the wilds
31st Mar 2014, 02:56
I've just taken a look at a couple of missing persons sites. If it's that hard to disappear, how do thousands of people manage it every year? At least some of them are suicides. :( Others can be accidents; one woman here (Tabitha Hodge) was listed as missing for some years; there were all sorts of conspiracy theories but one day a council bridge repair crew found her car under a bridge, where it had run off the road and not been found at the time. Of course that doesn't explain all the missing persons but it takes care of quite a few, as do undetected murders. :sad:

I think you could still get away with it in the remoter parts of the Australian outback, but you'd have to work for cash and be careful about CCTV. Places like Cape York have a lot of drifters who keep to themselves, and people respect their privacy. You could probably succesfully disappear as long as no-one was looking too hard.

llondel
31st Mar 2014, 03:07
Lord Lucan did a good job of it

There's every chance that he didn't survive much longer than the nanny. Either both were killed by someone who got away with it by hiding his body where it was never found (unlikely, given some of the other evidence) or he managed to go somewhere out of the way and topped himself.

500N
31st Mar 2014, 03:11
I think you are better off with a second identity if you want to disappear.

Worrals mentioned the remote areas of Aus, IMHO you tend to stand out a bit unless it has a transient population. Places like Darwin are always good.

onetrack
31st Mar 2014, 03:31
The secret to disappearing is to have no contact with authorities of any kind, nor own any electronic devices - which is very difficult today.

You need money, so unless you're prepared to carry a big stash with you (dangerous), and work for cash (difficult for large amounts), you will end up living a very precarious life.

All banks have CCTV - CCTV cameras are everywhere today - shops, restaurants, city intersections, ATM's, the list is endless.
If you need to drive, you need ID. To have dealings with ANY Govt Dept, you will soon need to supply contact details. That's dangerous.

I believe the successful ones commence afresh with a new ID and work from there, with minimal Govt and banking interaction.
However, you'd still need to live and operate in a remote region and have minimal contact with civilisation.

In Australia, the remote regions such as Andamooka and Coober Pedy with their opal mining probably contain a few "missing persons".
You can keep to yourself out there.
However, Australia is the last place I'd choose to disappear. The Amazon or some other remote region would be the ideal spot.

I can recall talking to a bloke once on a long-distance coach drive, who told me of his life on one of the Amazon tributaries, where he bought a nice old cottage for a trifling sum, and lived with little contact with the "civilised" world.
He did say he got kidnapped occasionally by "freedom fighters" - however, by just agreeing with the kidnappers cause, and giving them a contribution, they let him go. :eek:

I'll wager a large number of "missing persons" are dead, having been disposed of because they posed a nuisance to someone with little by way of principles.

PinkusDickus
31st Mar 2014, 03:50
One classic "disappeared" is Stuart Pearce. Hasn't been seen since 1991 - wanted for the particularly brutal murder of his wife and 3 of his children in Adelaide.

Stuart Pearce
(https://sa.crimestoppers.com.au/help_solve_crime/unsolved_cases/homicide/wanted-stuart-pearce-triple-murder-parafield-gardens)

It's been said that the Australian Outback is the place where most people who've disappeared have gone. From people wanting to start an new life, get away from the ex, or wanted by the police, that's the place to go.

I'd put money on Pearce working on a cattle station hundreds of km's from the nearesr civilisation, where nobody knows and nobody really cares.

natops
31st Mar 2014, 04:19
Join the Foreign Legion...

probes
31st Mar 2014, 05:40
Easy.
Partially mummified corpse of woman found in front of TV in Germany | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590896/Partially-mummified-corpse-woman-flickering-TV-six-month-old-listings-guide-open-nearby.html)
- but make sure you have a real big letterbox, or else you will be found eventually.

CoodaShooda
31st Mar 2014, 05:53
Places like Darwin are always good.

Hate to contradict you 500N but places like Darwin are the last place to go if the authorities are interested in you.

Our local police have a very good clean-up rate on interstate warrants.

Small town, small population and a small, transient group of people who mistakenly confuse remoteness with "hidden".

500N
31st Mar 2014, 06:01
Cooda

Interesting. I'll defer to you on this one and will discuss it over a beer sometime.

onetrack
31st Mar 2014, 07:01
I remember a story related to me by an old 'Slav gold prospector. Mick came to Australia in 1923 and worked first as a sleeper-cutter (railroad tie, to our U.S. friends) in the West Australian bush, cutting out Wandoo sleepers. He later turned to gold mining and prospecting and spent a lot of time working underground in the Kalgoorlie gold mines.

He told the story of another miner, a Brit, who kept to himself and was a difficult person to learn anything about. Mick related how a new miner turned up and made a point of ingratiating himself with the reticent Brit. The Brit was still reticent for a long time, but the newcomer and he became "mates" after a lengthy period. The newcomer always wanted to work with the Brit miner.

Mick told us how, one day, the newcomer was overcome with gloom and the Brit tried to cheer him up. The newcomer says to the Brit, "Mate, I've never told anyone this, but I have to get it off my chest. I'm hiding here in this god-forsaken town and mine, because I committed murder and got away with it. But it always plays on my mind."

The Brit went very quiet - and then said, "Don't worry mate, you're not alone. I'm here for the same reason."
The newcomer then started probing the Brit for the story behind him. The Brit released his troubled mind to his mate, and confessed he'd murdered his wife and got away without being caught.

The newcomers attitude suddenly changed and he stood up and said to the Brit - "Well, you haven't got away with it - because I'm Detective Smith of Scotland Yard! - and you're under arrest!!" :eek:

Whether the story was true, or is a bit of urban legend, I'll never know. But I'll wager a lot of people who have committed murder and promptly disappeared, have an eternal fear of telling anyone anything about themselves, that isn't totally fictitious - and they spend every waking moment of their lives waiting for that unknown hand to grasp their shoulder in a vice-like grip.

Quite a few crims have been caught with a new identity when they became a little too social, and "enquiries" were pursued by someone with an investigative background.

Davaar
31st Mar 2014, 07:11
assisted shower. can be fun

Oh dazdaz! Not always. Not always.

Nani
31st Mar 2014, 07:33
My husband was excellent in his disappearance act in his youth when his girlfriend hints her pregnancy. He apparently left a note to his family warning them about the impending outcome of his foolishness and that,he has authorized his trust bank to transfer everything to his kid upon his/her birth.

His mother tells his father not to come home until her baby boy is found "dead or alive". Through his work,a world wide search traces her boy to India and all trails goes cold for nearly 3 years until DH befriends someone in NZ that was supposedly a Mormon professor at the university where he was studying. After having few drinks with him (he says he caught his mistake after getting over the hangover that Mormons don't drink alcoholic beverages),he finds his parents at his door.

It turns out the young lady was never pregnant and upon his arrival,certain company was very interested as to how he has managed to evade all the searchers for many years and perhaps he can join them in the future.

alisoncc
31st Mar 2014, 10:06
Really quite simple to disappear without trace. Disguise yourslf as a thread on JB. The mods seem to disappear some of them with astonishing regularity and nobody notices.

Cyber Bob
31st Mar 2014, 10:13
Wear a hoddie and hitch a lift to Norwich

papershuffler
31st Mar 2014, 15:33
One of the books I'm currently writing has the main character disappearing to Aus using the passport of a woman who hadn't travelled for a while (avoiding the facial recognition aspect connecting her to her passport), and didn't need it any more. For research purposes, I had an interesting chat with a copper friend who works at LHR, as the info I needed wasn't readily available online.:cool:

I agree that the second identity is the easiest 'scenario'. Getting out of the UK without leaving a trace would be the most difficult to achieve, unless one day you just sail away in a boat which won't ping Inmarsat...

500N
31st Mar 2014, 15:37
"Getting out of the UK without leaving a trace would be the most difficult to achieve,"

Get a fishing boat to slip you across the channel.

Get a truck to take you across in a hidden compartment.

I think you need to think a bit more laterally.

OFSO
31st Mar 2014, 15:42
Getting out of the country.......

Here's one me mates use and it's infallable. I won't repeat it in detail. However it involves a north sea ferry, crossing the border just north of Dundalk, and Shannon or Cork airport.

You're all wrong about hiding out in tiny places miles from anywhere. Pick a big city.

MagnusP
31st Mar 2014, 15:51
"Getting out of the UK without leaving a trace would be the most difficult to achieve,"

Getting in unnoticed seems to be commonplace. :\

racedo
31st Mar 2014, 16:09
You're all wrong about hiding out in tiny places miles from anywhere. Pick a big city.

I would tend to agree with you on that...............

Find a property where LL is renting out room/rooms or house and wants cash and not really intersted in doing all the checks.

Council tax ...............false name,
Utility Bills................false name or prepay meters
Have no phone.
Long as CT/ Utilities get paid they care little.................even keeping in old tenants names not much of issue.
Avoid electoral register.
Buy at local market / small shops...............across wide area as no familiarity.
Walk / Cycle everywhere as Buses / Trains have all CCTV and avoid places where obvious CCTV.
Come to nobodys attention and nobody knows you exist
Even in a basic job that pays cash or use someone elses identity/ bank account you invisible.

racedo
31st Mar 2014, 16:10
"Getting out of the UK without leaving a trace would be the most difficult to achieve,"

Figure its one of easiest things as nobody hides in Lorrys leaving....

500N
31st Mar 2014, 16:12
OFSO

I was going to say go via Ireland but decided to leave it unsaid !

Lon More
31st Mar 2014, 16:55
Forget dollars, Euros or even sick squids, take these.

http://db2.stb.s-msn.com/i/6f/a26a384e81f21f148c2253eb7381c0/_h1080_w1920_m6_ofalse_lfalse.jpg

B Fraser
31st Mar 2014, 16:59
"It would perhaps be best to arrange your own death"


An Indian doctor will write your death certificate and hand it to you. The going rate is about $100.


I also know of one CEO who "drowned" in the middle east, the day before his UK company was raided.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
31st Mar 2014, 17:04
"Getting out of the UK without leaving a trace would be the most difficult to achieve,"

Dead Easy. I did this in 2008 by departing in my own yacht with all my possessions. I did not, nor did I have to in Europe, present my passport until Antigua, but nobody asked for it anywhere, including the USA.

p.s. you could pick up a yacht capable of coastal cruising, minus engine, for 3,000 cash today; if you know how to sail.

rgbrock1
31st Mar 2014, 17:05
Vanishing or disappearing would be quite easy, for a price.

Pay cash for a one-way ticket to Kabul and from there make your way to the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of NW Pakistan.

Lon More
31st Mar 2014, 17:16
There was a marker on my passport at one time, certainly widened the circle of my aquaintances. Rather offputting to be told, coming into UK via Dover, "Park it over there Lon."

Pelikal
31st Mar 2014, 17:32
Invisibility Powder

At Dark Moon, in a mortar and pestle, grind together:

1 part Fern leaf, dried 1 part Poppy seeds
Add
2 parts Slippery Elm powder 1 part Myrrh 1 part Marjoram, dried 3 parts Dillweed, fresh if possible

Grind all together, mixing well.

Add 9 drops almond tincture (almond cooking extract is great.) with enough spring water to make everything barely moist, and mix in well. Place in a ceramic bowl, spreading as thinly as possible, and dry the mixture over low heat, stirring it occasionally, until it seems lightly browned. Pour back into mortar, and grind again, enchanting:

Things Seen, and Things Not Seen: Let me walk here in between.
When finely powdered, store in a clear glass container. It will keep its power for years. Sprinkle, just a little bit, on yourself, objects, or in a place to be made invisible.

angels
31st Mar 2014, 19:37
Cooda is right about small town Australia. In the 80s, a mate and I went to Bourke -- as in "He's gone out back of Bourke." It's where the name outback came from. We wanted to see what Bourke was like.

Bourke was fascinating. Two or three thousand souls in the middle of nowhere. We were treated like celebrities/curiosities! We stood out like sore thumbs. No way could you hide in a place like that. We had a wonderful time there, which many Aussies refused to believe!

If you want to hide a tree, use a forest.

John Hill
31st Mar 2014, 20:27
Yes, as Fox3WMB says get a yacht.

eticket
31st Mar 2014, 20:29
An escaped Army prisoner was caught in Florida a few days ago. He had been on the run since 1977 and had a family and a new name.

He was caught by a search that compared his 1977 photo with Florida driving licence photos from 1981.

TOPEKA, Kan.: Army fugitive back in Kansas prison after 37 years - Florida Wires - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/03/20/4006602/army-fugitive-back-in-kansas-prison.html)

500N
31st Mar 2014, 21:30
Angels

Go there now :O

compressor stall
31st Mar 2014, 22:25
There was an excellent wired magazine article about 18 months ago where the writer tried to disappear and the readers were to look for him for a reward.

Quite fascinating and worth a read.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
31st Mar 2014, 23:29
Link to that story here
https://evan.creatavist.com/story/5608

papershuffler
31st Mar 2014, 23:49
"Getting out of the UK without leaving a trace would be the most difficult to achieve,"

Get a fishing boat to slip you across the channel.

Get a truck to take you across in a hidden compartment.

I think you need to think a bit more laterally.

There would be a trace though, if the crew or lorry driver decided to dob you in. Someone who would sneak a person out of a country would probably be susceptible to financial inducement to squeal, if they were guaranteed no comeback.

Stowing away onboard would have to be done without the knowledge of the driver/crew.

Also, where would you be able to stow away to which would help in your desire to disappear?

I'm still thinking the sailing boat would be the best plan if you don't have an alternative ID. However, you'd probably need a load of sailing lessons first. Fine for some, a bit strange if you've never done it before.:}

On a slightly connected note (if it's allowed), same copper friend mentioned this a few days ago:

[Colleagues and I] have just arrested a wanted Brit ex pat off a flight from Thailand, on a minor warrant. Nice bloke. He was supposed to return to the UK earlier this month by going from the Far East via Beijing, to Amsterdam then to the UK. He was due to travel on Malaysian Airways flight number MH370 ....... He cancelled the flight for him, his wife and two young boys. He still has the flight schedule in his pocket. Needless to say, we have taken lottery numbers from him

500N
31st Mar 2014, 23:55
Yes, well, sailing was never my strong point !

All you need to do is tell the skipper where you want to be dropped off,
no chit chat, no photos, walk on the boat after hours, go, wooosh, gone !

Unless someone knows to ask him, how would they know ?

John Hill
1st Apr 2014, 00:17
The hardest part is not the disappearance but living the new life without being rumbled.

How about establishing an alternative identity in advance, the more you live the new identity the more established it becomes then 'kill' the original identity by a staged accident, towel and clothes on the beach for example.



Maybe get a job at a recycling plant. Missing Kiwi Lee Sheppard died in work accident | Stuff.co.nz (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4708069/Missing-Kiwi-Lee-Sheppard-died-in-work-accident)

West Coast
1st Apr 2014, 00:26
Anyone think to ask Jimmy Hoffa?

I just saw a program on lost battle sights of the pacific theatre of WWII. There are plenty of places there one could get lost for as long as you wanted.

My Mom's quite elderly. She is the youngest of 6 kids, good Catholic family. One of the brothers joined the Brit army during WWII, he hasn't been seen or heard of since he did, roughly 1941. All the remaining brothers and sisters searched, as did his parents till they passed. Be careful who you hurt if you do decide to disappear.

racedo
1st Apr 2014, 00:46
There would be a trace though, if the crew or lorry driver decided to dob you in. Someone who would sneak a person out of a country would probably be susceptible to financial inducement to squeal, if they were guaranteed no comeback.


Given truck drivers are getting paid to take in illegals..........despite the claims they not, then thousand quid to hide you in large notes across channel is easy money.

French not really checking who is going in. I have taken trips across channel where no passport checks were done.

Metro man
1st Apr 2014, 01:23
It might be hard to support yourself in your new life as you would need to switch professions and start again. Your previous qualifications and experience would need to be abandoned to cut your previous ties, especially if and background checks were required.

Simple things such as magazine subscriptions can trip you up, the same combination of periodicals that you previously subscribed to going to your new address would provide a good lead to follow up for an investigator.

Forget small towns were everybody knows everyone else and gossips. Bed sitter land in a big city would be far better.

Lots of money, proper planning and research would be essential for a successful outcome. Someone choosing to disappear at their own convenience is in a far better position than someone forced to disappear at short notice.

racedo
1st Apr 2014, 11:55
It might be hard to support yourself in your new life as you would need to switch professions and start again. Your previous qualifications and experience would need to be abandoned to cut your previous ties, especially if and background checks were required.


True but if have cash stacked away somewhere and only need spare cash for minimalist lifestyle then a manual cash in hand job is all that is requried.
Turn up, do as asked, never offer anything nor get involved in anything and nobody notices you.
Hell have worked in places where talked to security guard at gate and mentioned his name to people inside building and people never heard of him even though worked there for years his name was unknown.

angels
1st Apr 2014, 13:32
I've just remembered an old friend in Hong Kong who was with the anti-corruption squad (he was a busy man).

He had worked undercover on Operation Julie which was a major anti-drugs operation in the west country. He was a Londoner and was undercover in Bristol.

When he got tipsy he would talk of the sheer terror of being discovered. Of someone walking up to him on the street and greeting him by his real name. Of making one innocent mistake in front of armed dealers. Of waiting for the knock on the door that meant he had been rumbled.

He used to say that he would rather top himself than live a life on the run.

OFSO
1st Apr 2014, 14:10
live a life on the run

Very true. However what one would have to do is really, truly believe one was the person for whom you already set up a false identity. Not all of us have this ability of course. But some do.

OFSO
1st Apr 2014, 14:20
Yes, as Fox3WMB says get a yacht.

Many years ago I knew a nice young bloke here, made his living from boat repairs, deliveries etc. He was not around for a week or so and when I next saw him I asked "Where have you been ?"

"In prison" came the startling reply.

He had been asked on a Friday to take a yacht from Empuriabrava over to the yards in Santa Margarida for a clean and anti-foul. When he went to collect it the following week, he was arrested.

The owner (English) had bought it on part-payment in England, made the first payment, disappeared with it. The vendors claimed from the insurers, who paid up but contacted their agents in Spain, Italy, France etc, who drive around marinas looking for stolen yachts. When they spotted this boat they called the Guardia Civil who arrested my acquaintance. He was released when he could prove he wasn't the owner, the Guardia went over to arrest the actual owner, but of course he had done a runner-offsky. Probably living on another stolen boat under another name these days. Now if he'd invested in a new name for his yacht, changed the rig, and maybe a colour wrap, he'd never have been caught.

Details, details.

onetrack
1st Apr 2014, 14:35
The successfulness of a disappearing act is really dependent on who's looking for you. If you have no problems - relational, criminal, or financial - then the police are not going to put in vast amounts of time and effort to find you.
However, if you're actively being sought for a crime, then you stand a very good chance of being found - unless you find a very remote island.

The "hide in a big city" idea is O.K. if you pick a place where it's well-known, that everyone keeps to themselves, and the population is a wide mix of nationalities. However, you only need one snoopy type of individual to come undone.

I can recall a story of a retired ex-detective, who kept a keen eye on all the neighbours comings and goings - and made a point of jotting down numberplates whenever there was an unusual amount of activity, or strangers appearing at neighbours houses.
He advised the local police about various unusual activities, who then cracked open a previously-unknown drug ring, via his numberplate-recording work.

One snoopy person who likes checking out the sometimes-sizeable rewards offered for information leading to a missing person, could make all your disappearing plans come undone rapidly.

Dr Jekyll
1st Apr 2014, 15:43
An Indian doctor will write your death certificate and hand it to you. The going rate is about $100.


'Hand it to you' might be the problem. If there is an investigation having your fingerprints on your own death certificate is not good.

Father who faked death in 1m insurance scam caught after police find fingerprints | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338565/Father-faked-death-1m-insurance-scam-caught-police-fingerprints.html)

con-pilot
1st Apr 2014, 16:53
Quite easy if you live in North Korea, just frown at the wrong time. :p

I seem to remeber a case where a Continental Airlines DC-10 ran off the end of a runway into a Bay and the nose came off (yes it really did :p), only one passenger could not be accounted for and was presumed to have died, his body was never recovered.

Twenty some years later he was discovered living in Texas, had gotten remarried and was living under a new name.

He damn near made it.

Lightning Mate
1st Apr 2014, 17:23
"....was pressumed to have died"

...."had gotten remarried"
May we have that in English please.................

con-pilot
1st Apr 2014, 17:45
"....was pressumed to have died"


That's what I get for having big hands and not proof reading. :p

OFSO
1st Apr 2014, 20:00
I heard that before: happens quite often that after an aircraft runs into the sea, years later passengers are found living in Texas. Guess they want to get as far away from the sea as possible, after that experience.

evansb
1st Apr 2014, 20:23
OFSO "get as far away from the sea as possible" ??

Texas is not a land-locked state.

The Texas Gulf coastline is 367 statute miles long. The tidal shoreline encompasses 3,359 statute miles. :rolleyes:

After 30 years of plying the coastal waters of British Columbia, a B.C. Ferries captain retired to Cardston, Alberta, elev. 3,677 ft, and a 13 hour drive to the nearest salt water.
To many of his former colleagues, he may have well as disappeared..

SpringHeeledJack
1st Apr 2014, 20:25
To be looking over one's shoulder for any length of time is a purgatory, the background stress debilitating for the individual, not to mention the terror of being rumbled or imagining it about to happen. These days with all the interconnectivity and the image surveillance through daily life make it nigh on impossible to remain anonymous unless one were to change one's life (downwards) to do the 'invisible' jobs that few want to.



SHJ

angels
1st Apr 2014, 22:11
The waters off Galveston were beautifully clear when I was there once. The little fishies would swim right up next to you. My then girlfriend and I had got the car ferry over from Louisiana IIRC. Happy days!!

Er, sorry for thread drift. Took me back a bit there. Carry on. :ok:

ExSp33db1rd
2nd Apr 2014, 01:04
Don't attempt to get into the US of A.

Recently presented myself to US Imm. in Los Angeles, after only a few seconds I was asked if I was .... the Mr. xxxxx who first entered the United States on 12th December 1959, as crew member of XXXX ( airline ) Flt. No. ,aboard aircraft XXX ( registration) and subsequently departed on 14th December - followed by similar details?

Although I was perfectly 'legal' I was somewhat surprised at the depth of info. conjured up so quickly, every visit to the USA over a 50 year period was instantly portrayed. What made me irritated was that I was only subjected to such a minute scrutiny because I had a USA VISA, all my travelling companions were on a Visa Waiver programme and were passed through on the nod !! 'cos I had a VISA Imm. already knew all about me ! The Law Is An Ass

On the other hand - I was once allowed into Hawaii as a aircrew member without a - forgotten ! - passport. Pre 9/11 of course.

My birthday of 11th September ( work it out ) always means that I am regarded with suspicion !

Who was that UK MP, Postmaster General, who "disappeared" by leaving his clothes on Eastbourne (?) beach ? Later discovered in Aus. Knew his brother, an airline Captain - Stonehouse ?? ( having a Snr. moment , not sure. )

Ken Borough
2nd Apr 2014, 01:16
Thanks Speedbird. I've been having a 'Senior Moment' for a couple of days trying to think of Stonehouse's name. He vanished from the UK but was later found in sunny downtown Sydney. In a reversal of history, we sent him back to Blighty where he was subsequently detained for some time at one of HM's establishments.

Metro man
2nd Apr 2014, 07:53
Even with his share of the Great Train Robbery and a new life in Brazil with a hot young girlfriend, Ronald Biggs ended up coming back to finish his porridge.

acbus1
2nd Apr 2014, 07:58
Some might deduce that he was merely seeking free health care in his dying days. :rolleyes:

500N
2nd Apr 2014, 08:02
If you are going to disappear, the one country you don't want to have trying to find you is Israel !!!

Cacophonix
2nd Apr 2014, 09:58
Hijack a plane, demand a huge ransom in dollar notes and use an old or homemade parachute to bail out of the unsuitable passenger jump ship over a wild and desolate area...

Todd Snider: "D.B. Cooper" - YouTube

Caco

racedo
2nd Apr 2014, 12:29
Thanks Speedbird. I've been having a 'Senior Moment' for a couple of days trying to think of Stonehouse's name. He vanished from the UK but was later found in sunny downtown Sydney. In a reversal of history, we sent him back to Blighty where he was subsequently detained for some time at one of HM's establishments.

Think that was because they though he was Lord Lucan.

dazdaz1
3rd Feb 2016, 16:30
As of today, Lord Lucan now has a death certificate. The thing that concerns me, his car found in Newhaven splattered with blood. Who's blood? I'm aware that DNA was not a science at the time.

Blood grouping was used in criminal investigations in that era, presuming samples were stored for future analysis (if) was it his blood? The victim was found at the murder scene. So who's blood in the car?

racedo
3rd Feb 2016, 19:38
Forgot about this thread.....................

Number of cases in last couple of years

Missing woman found 30 years after man confessed to her murder - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11893311/Missing-woman-found-30-years-after-man-confessed-to-her-murder.html)

Missing mom found alive in Canada after more than 50 years | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/20/missing-mom-found-alive-in-canada-after-more-than-50-years.html)

John Hill
3rd Feb 2016, 19:40
The problem with disappearing is that the new persona has no history so the obvious thing to do is to lead a double life for a few years beforehand.

G-CPTN
3rd Feb 2016, 21:38
John Darwin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Darwin_disappearance_case).

Lon More
4th Feb 2016, 18:57
So they're not Lucan for him any more?

ex_matelot
4th Feb 2016, 19:55
Anyone here been DV'd?
I have and its scary what they know.

G-CPTN
4th Feb 2016, 20:40
Anyone here been DV'd?
I have and its scary what they know.

You shouldn't have put so much detail on the form . . .

TWT
4th Feb 2016, 20:48
DV'd ??mmmmmmmmm

G-CPTN
4th Feb 2016, 20:51
Developed Vetting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_vetting_in_the_United_Kingdom#Developed_Vetting_.28 DV.29).

LlamaFarmer
4th Feb 2016, 21:03
The problem with disappearing is that the new persona has no history so the obvious thing to do is to lead a double life for a few years beforehand.

Assuming you have long-term plans to disappear rather than a sudden set of circumstances make you do a runner