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rgbrock1
19th Mar 2014, 15:51
"Inspire" magazine is a rag of a periodical which Al Qaeda uses to promote more hate, death and destruction in the West.

The latest issue calls on its followers i.e., terrorists, to detonate car bombs in big cities of the West, to include: NYC, LA, London, Paris, etc.

It then goes on to describe the "simple" methods of constructing a car bomb aka a VIED or Vehicular Improvised Explosive Device.

This rag was the same one which instructed its fellow terrorists on how to construct a pressure cooker type bomb.

Anyone want to wager how long it will be before, unfortunately, some kook/thug/terrorist/scum bag does as instructed?

AQ and its adherents really do need to be eradicated.

Wingswinger
19th Mar 2014, 17:49
The trouble is that if you follow the "eradicate" principle and you get found out this is what happens to you in a liberal Western democracy.

Sergeant Alexander Blackman: Royal Marine jailed for life for murder of Afghan insurgent challenges verdict - Crime - UK - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sergeant-alexander-blackman-royal-marine-jailed-for-life-for-murder-of-afghan-insurgent-challenges-verdict-9041912.html)

rgbrock1
19th Mar 2014, 17:56
He's not the only one who was jailed for similar. There are several "elite" U.S. military operators sitting in federal prison for doing what was told of them.

Disgusting actually.

rgbrock1
19th Mar 2014, 18:30
Not gonna happen john smith, as the tree hugging crowd will see to it that something like you suggest never happens. Even as they have their own throats slit whilst espousing the virtues of kumbaya.

vee-tail-1
19th Mar 2014, 22:23
The Muslim threat is real but as yet only a slowly increasing number see it.

Keep on telling people about it ... don't get discouraged by the lefty taunts and insults and never respond in kind.

The recent post by Wingswinger re Democracy's built in seeds of destruction is a good example of what needs to be hammered home.

Send letters & e-mails to politicians, newspapers, forums, protest groups, indeed any publicity seeking organisation.

Sooner or later a critical mass of ordinary people will know about the threat and will demand action to remove it. Only then will politicians take note and respond meaningfully.

But for now those of us who genuinely worry about our kids future should do more than rant on PPRuNe ... here we are mostly talking to our peers, we should get out there and inform the ignorant if we really want a peaceful future.

Here endeth the sermon/rant :uhoh::O

rh200
20th Mar 2014, 00:57
Does anyone know if any reputable demographic projects have been made, one would think this would be easy. maybe its a case of if you are not going to like the answer then don't ask:E.

Something along time versus increase of Islamic population, maybe projections using some metric of extremist versus moderate etc. Could be enlightning.

I'm sort of thinking along western country lines

500N
20th Mar 2014, 01:08
RGB

I think we need to write a submission to Inspire about some things to do,
like "always keep the dets right next to the charge" so you don't forget them !!!

And always good to have a smoke to calm your nerves while working with explosives :O

Fox3WheresMyBanana
20th Mar 2014, 01:29
I'm sort of thinking along western country lines

You're going to play them continuous Western & Country???....You're a sick, evil man, but that could work! :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSZfUnCK5qk

obgraham
20th Mar 2014, 01:32
It's a constant wonder to me why there are not more such "improvised" attacks in Western cities. Considering the large muslim populations, surely there are a few there with such inklings.

I suspect it is more because of their general stupidity, or perhaps that inbreeding thing discussed in another thread.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
20th Mar 2014, 01:36
Watch '4 Lions', and all will be revealed ;)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL36D464C4C2ED5371

best bits here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5pvqkJh5yg

rh200
20th Mar 2014, 02:41
You're going to play them continuous Western & Country???....You're a sick, evil man, but that could work!

Reputable, lie 10,20, 30, 100, year projections for England.

Could do the same for NI, along the Catholic versus Protestant lines, gives a good view of probable voting and society lines. It becomes a rate of assimalation versus sticking to your culture side of things.

meadowrun
20th Mar 2014, 03:20
We need to learn from history with regards to conquering immigration.

No Cookies | Herald Sun (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/pictures-of-illegal-immigrants-worth-a-thousand-words/story-fni0ffxg-1226859493550)

PLovett
20th Mar 2014, 06:01
Because of the need to be seen to be doing something to pacify a noisy but ignorant population but balanced against what is seen to be a national interest in supporting some foreign regimes that are playing fast and loose with the West, Western governments have probably done the worst job possible at great cost to not only their armed services but their credibility.

Some interesting reading for those who can be bothered rather than resorting to the usual rants.

Why The Global War On Terror Went Wrong (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/alqaida-the-second-act-9195455.html)

vee-tail-1
20th Mar 2014, 12:29
More interesting reading; on how post Breivik Norway has elected a right wing government.

Michael Booth - 'The Almost Nearly Perfect People' ISBN 978-0-224-08962-3 see Chapter 3 page 178/185 of the section on Norway.

Booth is a left leaning intellectual who still believes in 'multiculturalism' but is able to take a neutral view as he tries to understand hostility to immigration. It is opinion formers like Michael Booth who one day will look at the evidence and see Islamisation as it really is.

vee-tail-1
20th Mar 2014, 13:54
I am writing on behalf of the Party Chairman, The Rt Hon Grant Shapps MP, who has asked me to thank you for your recent email.
It is good of you to get in touch and make us aware of your thoughts. It is appreciated and I will be sure to pass your comments on to the Chairmen and Conservative Research Department.
Thank you, once again, for taking the time and trouble to get in touch.
Yours sincerely,
Walid Haddad
Office of the Party Chairmen
Conservative Campaign Headquarters

:rolleyes: :ugh:

PTT
20th Mar 2014, 15:11
Emergency laws should be passed in the UK, mandating the deportation of all foreign national Muslims, and the imprisonment of all Muslims holding British citizenship. Other western nations should follow suit. First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
I guess we can just add a line, right?

Captivep
20th Mar 2014, 16:23
This is a spoof thread, right?


Put everybody of one religion into prison? Why not go the whole hog and put them in special camps where they could be concentrated together...


Muslims are too stupid for more of them to be terrorists? Much more likely, obviously, than another hypothesis which posits that most muslims don't want to be terrorists...


Very funny, though!

rgbrock1
20th Mar 2014, 16:36
Put everybody of one religion into prison? Why not go the whole hog and put them in special camps where they could be concentrated together..

Now there are a couple of good ideas. :E:}:ok:

vee-tail-1
20th Mar 2014, 16:37
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
I guess we can just add a line, right?

Then they celebrated the peace of Allah for there was no one left to speak out. :rolleyes:

rgbrock1
20th Mar 2014, 16:47
Then they celebrated the peace of Allah for there was no one left to speak out....

Because the others' heads were either cut off or their tongues removed.

awblain
20th Mar 2014, 16:52
Excellent. An afterlifestyle magazine.

How to keep track of which virgin is which... Recognizing Valkyries in crowds…
Vital information for the deranged lunatic in the street.

500N
20th Mar 2014, 16:55
"deranged lunatic in the street."



Well if you went back home, that would be one less "deranged lunatic in the street." !!!

awblain
20th Mar 2014, 17:02
Strange, hey? Some people get all worked up about having guns, some people get all worked up by having imaginary men in the sky dealing them virgins in bulk.

PTT
20th Mar 2014, 21:20
The fear in this thread is as palpable as it is laughable.

BenThere
21st Mar 2014, 03:47
Interesting take on it, PTT.

But I would characterize it more as seething anger than fear.

500N
21st Mar 2014, 03:50
BenThere

Yep, not fear.

PTT
21st Mar 2014, 10:15
Fear leads to anger (anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering).

500N
21st Mar 2014, 10:20
Fear leads to anger (anger leads to hate, hate leads to "doing something about it" !!!

PTT
21st Mar 2014, 10:30
Well at least you're admitting it's fear.

Suprised you didn't get the reference though.

rgbrock1
21st Mar 2014, 12:03
PTT:

Wrong, fear does not always lead to anger. I may be angry with the Mrs., for example, but I certainly don't fear her. Matter of fact, and come to think of it, I fear nothing and no one. But I also realize that here on earth there are some who are walking around who simply need a good killing. :ok:

PTT
21st Mar 2014, 12:07
there are some who are walking around who simply need a good killingAsk yourself why.

500N
21st Mar 2014, 12:13
Just because.

Do we need to give a reason why ?

The actions of said individuals speak for themselves
without us adding a reason.

rgbrock1
21st Mar 2014, 12:18
No need to ask myself why, PTT, it's obvious don't you think? See, what a lot of tree hugging fluffies fail to realize is that there really are people walking around who wish to do us harm. They have undertaken quite a few "operations" with the intent of not only killing us but to instill fear and terror.
They've also come out and stated their aims quite clearly: the destruction of all who do not follow their way and the institution of a world-wide caliphate.

Well I don't know about you but it should be quite crystal clear what is meant by all this. Now I know there are quite a few of those who think what happened on 9/11 or 7/7 should be met with resounding refrains of kumbaya as we reach out to our enemy, extending our hand in friendship, brotherhood and all that happy horse shit which holds about as much water as a sieve.

However, I have never thought that way nor will I ever. What I do think is that if you threaten me, my family, my country or my fellow citizens, well then, I will do my utmost damnedest to ensure I kill you before you do so in turn. With extreme prejudice. That's just the way it works.

500N
21st Mar 2014, 12:24
RGB

You spend far to much time justifying his question ;)

And the Fluffy Huggies will never understand or agree !

Far easier to just get on with it and explain after the event,
that is if they ever find out !!!

PTT
21st Mar 2014, 12:25
Just because.

Do we need to give a reason why ? Well, yes. If you feel you should be able to kill people just because then I suspect you are at least as much of the problem as they are, whoever "they" may be.

That aside, that's not what I meant. What I was asking was why you think they "need killing". Which of your own needs would that satisfy?

with the intent of not only killing us but to instill fear and terror.Seems to have worked with some of you.
What I do think is that if you threaten me, my family, my country or my fellow citizens, well then, I will do my utmost damnedest to ensure I kill you before you do so in turn.So it is fear. Fear of what they might do to you, your family etc.

rh200
21st Mar 2014, 12:26
but I certainly don't fear her

Hmm, I thought that is why they called them, "she who must be obeyed":p. Fear can take on many forms, and there's nothing unmanly about being afraid of the other half.:E

rgbrock1
21st Mar 2014, 12:28
No, PTT, it is not fear. I fear no man. It's called vigilance.

http://www.blackfive.net/photos/uncategorized/2009/02/27/vigiliance.jpg

500N
21st Mar 2014, 12:32
"What I was asking was why you think they "need killing"."

Mexican drug lords, Cartels.

Terrorists that kill, kidnap et al. ie BM Gang, Red Army Factions, Carlos, Iranian Embassy terrorists and that is just off the top of my head.

Members of AQ

All of the above could be terminated without any need to justify.

Notice who I have left out. Taliban and others.

PTT
21st Mar 2014, 12:33
Your words, rbg: "if you threaten me". It's clearly the threat you are reacting to, and that's fear. Even "vigilance" as you rebrand it is actually fear. There's nothing wrong with fear itself: the need for safety is quite a basic one.

PTT
21st Mar 2014, 12:34
500N - you appear to be avoiding the question: which of your needs would be satisfied by killing them? Presumably you'd feel better if they were dead, so what need is being satisfied which would make you feel better?

rgbrock1
21st Mar 2014, 12:35
PTT:

If you think vigilance is nothing but a form of fear than it's quite obvious to me that you never spent a day in uniform.

PTT
21st Mar 2014, 12:37
20 years in uniform, actually. And vigilance is borne of fear of the actions of the enemy. Like I said, nothing wrong with fear. Why would we fit flares if not for fear of being hit by an IR missile?

500N
21st Mar 2014, 12:38
None of my needs. I'd don't have some psychological bent that needs satisfying by knocking off said individuals.

I wouldn't be doing it for my need.

It would be done for as they are a blight / cost on society.

PTT
21st Mar 2014, 12:39
500N - if it didn't satisfy any of your needs then you wouldn't bother with it. The clue as to the need is your last sentence: you fear the effect they have on society.

Lonewolf_50
21st Mar 2014, 14:22
PTT: suggest you review your last half dozen or so posts and check for personalization of content. Poor form. RG's point on vigilance has a cousin:
"Evil prospers when good men do nothing."
That point is related to the trite little piece of blank verse you offered previously.

Further 500N's last offering (21st Mar 2014 07:38): pest control is a valid activity.

PTT
21st Mar 2014, 18:01
"Evil prospers when good men do nothing."Evil is often subjective. "Good" men must do something out of fear of the consequences of what "evil" will do when unopposed.

"Pest" is most definitely subjective.

The saddest bit is that you chaps can't admit fearing something.

500N
21st Mar 2014, 20:31
PTT

Good men must do something because all the fluffy huggies make the alternative such a long winded BS process, it makes it easier if it can never get to that stage.

"Pest" is most definitely subjective.

Really

Of that list I posted, tell me who on that is NOT a pest ?

Every single one of them was either killed or if captured, jailed.
And the BM gang or what was left morphed into a couple of others anyway.

PTT
21st Mar 2014, 20:52
Good men must do something because all the fluffy huggies make the alternative such a long winded BS process, it makes it easier if it can never get to that stage.That "long winded BS process" is ensuring the innocent go unpunished by reactionaries. I know you'd rather see immediate retribution, but some of us are able to think a little beyond our noses.
Really

Of that list I posted, tell me who on that is NOT a pest ?Depends on your perspective. To me, they are pests; to them, the police are pests. One man's freedom fighter etc...

We're a tad off-topic now...

500N
21st Mar 2014, 21:04
No we are not off topic. Muslims, AQ, BM Gang, Carlos and the others I mentioned.

Every single one of those listed are known killers. They executed people.

Notice why I left out the Taliban.

PTT
22nd Mar 2014, 09:00
Every single one of those listed are known killers. They executed people.And you fear them. You fear they might do it again, you fear for their effect on society and on others and, ultimately, you fear that they might have an impact on you in some way.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
22nd Mar 2014, 09:49
I suspect the problem here is the meaning of the word 'fear'.

Speaking personally, a threat, even a lethal one, does not automatically produce the condition medically described as fear, with the associated physiological changes.
After Lee Rigby, was I concerned about the potential lethal risk to myself from some Islamic extremist? Yes. Was I afraid? No. Was I determined to do something about it? Yes.
Have I exhibited fear in the past about other things? Yes

So, PTT. Not all calls for radical action from perceived lethal threats are the result of fear.
Fear is often associated with irrational acts. You clearly think some of the thoughts of others here are irrational, and impute fear, but the two are not synonymous.
With respect, you cannot judge whether someone is fearful or not without being next to them.

PTT
22nd Mar 2014, 09:55
was I concerned about the potential lethal risk to myself from some Islamic extremist? Yes. Was I afraid? No.Same thing. It's just a matter of degree.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
22nd Mar 2014, 10:56
In a word, No.

PTT
22nd Mar 2014, 11:21
In another word, yes.

Not much of an argument either way, is it?

cockney steve
22nd Mar 2014, 12:03
IMHO, the Islamic "threat", is from within the religion....

.The moderates have failed to police their own and publically denounce and cast out the extremists. Therefore, As the threat to our way of life is concealed in their midst.....
They're ALL under suspicion. No. some mealy-mouthed spokesman decrying the actions of the latest fanatic, does not cut the mustard, as far as I'm concerned.
I will do busines with them,I will talk to them, but I'm extremely guarded when i see them wanderingaround the supermarket with a black Dalek following a few paces behind.......If they want to do that, they should fxxk -off to a Moslem country , where it's accepted "normal"
behaviour.
"FIT IN ,OR F**K-OFF"....same applies to Brit ex-pats who won't attempt to learn the language and customs of their new home.

(I'm an even-handed bigot! :} )

BenThere
22nd Mar 2014, 13:51
I have had an increasing antipathy toward Islam in general since 9/11/2001, when my attention was seized.

I've concluded over the past decade or so, that Islam is an oppressive, bigoted, totalitarian ideology, and is the greatest challenge to peace in the world. Its greatest victims are its own adherents, who can't escape its clutches under penalty of death.

As this ideology seems to be conquering Europe, day by day, I'm watching with a keen eye as to how the Left transitions from the platform of welcoming Islamist votes via immigration, to "mistakes were made" apologies.

Pinky the pilot
23rd Mar 2014, 07:07
BenThere; Your comments mirror my feelings precisely. I have noted over the last few years that as cockney steve posted;

The moderates have failed to police their own and publically denounce and cast out the extremists. Therefore, As the threat to our way of life is concealed in their midst.....

this seems to be more and more the case.:sad:

On a personal note: I have a couple of aquaintances who are of the Islamic faith and they have all privately expressed to me their anguish at what has been and is done in the name of their faith, but I also get the feeling that they are somewhat afraid to publicly speak out, lest they themselves suffer at the hands of the radicals.

As for me; I'll keep the powder dry.