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John Hill
5th Feb 2014, 06:58
New Delhi: Women senators from Afghanistan have said they wanted US troops out of their country and would not mind having the Taliban in the government so long as they respected the constitution.



http://www.firstpost.com/world/want-us-out-taliban-okay-afghan-women-senators-625896.html


While:-
A new Afghan law will allow men to attack their wives, children and sisters without fear of judicial punishment, undoing years of slow progress in tackling violence in a country blighted by so-called "honour" killings, forced marriage and vicious domestic abuse.

New Afghanistan law to silence victims of violence against women | World news | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/04/afghanistan-law-victims-violence-women)

SpringHeeledJack
5th Feb 2014, 07:22
A friend of mine did the 'Hippy Trail' back in the 70's and it was amazing to see his slides of life in Afghanistan from that time, attractive, vivacious women walking around Kabul in short skirts (of the time) and long hair etc. So much has changed since then....


SHJ

rh200
5th Feb 2014, 07:50
A friend of mine did the 'Hippy Trail' back in the 70's and it was amazing to see his slides of life in Afghanistan from that time, attractive, vivacious women walking around Kabul in short skirts (of the time) and long hair etc. So much has changed since then....

Yes but what was it like out away from the tourist areas. Sometimes these things are foisted apon a population its not what the main body of the population wants. This leads to instability and coups.

A new Afghan law will allow men to attack their wives, children and sisters without fear of judicial punishment, undoing years of slow progress in tackling violence in a country blighted by so-called "honour" killings, forced marriage and vicious domestic abuse.
Sad but its their culture.

vee-tail-1
5th Feb 2014, 08:36
Sad but its their culture.

As practiced now in the Islamic ghettos of every British city.

However all the refuges for abused women make nice middle class PC ladies feel better. :*

jimtherev
5th Feb 2014, 11:32
Then there was the Highgate lady who visited Kabul and was outraged to see the women walking 10 ft behind their men. She protested, and was treated as one would expect.
Three years later, she returned, to find that now the women walked in front.
"What changed?" she asked.
"Land mines."


Apocryphal? Maybe...

rh200
5th Feb 2014, 23:14
How else can those chaps discipline their families? It's not as if they could take away their credit cards, is it?

Actually that statement opens up a serious point:sad:. In a society how many actually get "disciplined"? You would probally find as a percentage of total population in their traditional type villages, where the females are not influenced by outside cultures that it would be very little.

Which brings me to another point. There has been a myth being built in our own society by the leftys that we where wife bashers etc, and woman where down trodden and beaten.

Although there has been ,and always be cases of such, I don't know what sort of wack job area they where bought up in, but every where I went, and was raised as, it was the greatest crime to hit a woman.

So the question is, as we have thrown of the shackles and become enligtened, are woman bashed more today than they where in the good old fashion days.

I would suspect theres a hysteresis zone of societal development that roles and expectations get confused leading to a spike in abuse.

500N
5th Feb 2014, 23:27
Women are still subservient in some cultures in Australia.
They also have things deemed "woman's work".

handsfree
6th Feb 2014, 07:56
Three years later, she returned, to find that now the women walked in front.
"What changed?" she asked.
"Land mines."
Apocryphal? Maybe...

As was custom of Moroccan Goumier troops in Italy during WW2 according to my father.

MagnusP
6th Feb 2014, 11:36
500N, in our house there is no such thing as "women's work". There's what SWMBO likes doing, and the rest is labelled "but that's a man's job". :confused:

Worrals in the wilds
6th Feb 2014, 12:36
Three years later, she returned, to find that now the women walked in front.Like all Anglo cultures, Australia had (and still has to a certain extent) a 'ladies first' rule wrt walking through doors and so on. When Chinese immigrants first arrived in bulk in the 1970s it was noticed that the ladies walked behind the men, and this was seen and often quoted as evidence that they were perceived as inferior. However, it was explained to me (quite recently) by an Aussie of Chinese descent that in traditional Chinese culture, the men walked first to make sure it was safe for the women to follow. When his grandparents came to Australia they were shocked to see women walking in front of men, as to them it meant that the men mustn't have cared about their safety. :(
We're a needlessly complicated animal. :}
So the question is, as we have thrown off the shackles and become enlightened, are woman bashed more today than they where in the good old fashion days. I reckon it's probably about the same, or maybe slightly decreased. As you say, for most decent people it was never an issue, but there always was (and probably always will be :sad:) a significant minority who aren't decent. At least nowadays there are more escape options for people who are faced with this, rather than a group denial/ blame the victim mentality. The same goes for child abuse.

pigboat
6th Feb 2014, 12:50
Dolly Birds of the Hindu Kush. (http://www.steynonline.com/6020/dolly-birds-of-the-hindu-kush)

sled dog
6th Feb 2014, 19:08
pigboat, very interesting, but now .............?

SpringHeeledJack
6th Feb 2014, 19:52
Mr Pigboat, that photo is exactly the kind of image that my globetrotting friend had shown me and if one looks at Iran around the same time, the level of sophistication was similar. Another time, another world......



SHJ

pigboat
7th Feb 2014, 00:10
Dressing the way those young ladies are in today's Afghanistan would get you stoned to death. Such is progress.

Rwy in Sight
8th Feb 2014, 20:10
I am wondering if men are allowed to mistreat all the ladies or just their relatives. Also who has priority on punishing a lady (her farther, her brother or her husband).

And to add some aviation context how does that work as part of the CRM with airlines based in Afganistan when one crew member is female?


Rwy in Sight

RedhillPhil
8th Feb 2014, 21:16
I did the hippy trail in 1969 and there was no shortage of delightful young ladies dressed western style in Teheran, Meshed and Kabul.

John Hill
8th Feb 2014, 21:41
Dressing the way those young ladies are in today's Afghanistan would get you stoned to death. Such is progress.

Yeabut if they had been left alone they would now be living under a commie/socialist regime.......arent you proud they are not?:rolleyes: