CRASH TOLL/PAE Boeing 737F HONIARA

[4 Holer]

Toll / Airwork's PAE Boeing 737-300F reported Crashed on runway Honiara.

Had a call from Australia Honiara Airport closed...... did crew get out ?

Any other info ????????

[717tech]

A5/14
rwy 06/24 tempo clsd due disable acft on rwy
from 01 260020 to 01 260700 est

[4 Holer]

(from Sol Air) Major damage slid down runway say written off, main gear folded back behind. Aircraft on its belly and engine/pylon, nose 4 foot in air.
Crane truck and bulldozer on the way to clear runway, Sol Air diverted to Vila.

Crew got out ok.............

[Capt Claret]

I wonder if the EFA 733 movement at CNS today is related?

[jarden]

Does anyone have the rego of the aircraft involved?

[4 Holer]

It rains all over the world next excuse.

[4 Holer]

No motive here will get a photo. You guys are down there I'm here in Florida , HIR airport shut, my buddy parked one of the 737s now ZK-TLF in the desert for scrap in 09 analogue cockpit due D check ex US Air and it popped up as a freighter in NZ only making an observation.

[Flyingmachine01]

It's not a EFA aircraft. EFA are all Australian registered Aircraft.

[4 Holer]

image of the old girl link coming

[falconx]

Upload to tinypic and put link

[4 Holer]

put in your window and check

imgur: the simple image sharer (http://imgur.com/YM3YO2m)

[4 Holer]

falcon X click on the link above photos are there, post them whole if you are able I had trouble.

[neld]

Finally!

http://i.imgur.com/YM3YO2m.jpg

Here we go.

Sorry, I had account restrictions. I tried to PM the image details to a couple of people to get them to post for me.

[Capt Claret]

It's not a EFA aircraft. EFA are all Australian registered Aircraft.

As per the OP it's a Toll aircraft. The EFA 73 doesn't usually move on a Sunday though....

[Javadreaming]

It looks like the righthand main collapsed. Hard landing or just a matter of the gear giving way? What ever was the cause it will be a nightmare trying to salvage the aircraft, as resources are fairly limited in that part of the world. Glad the crew are ok.

[4 Holer]

They were landing ? So why are the trailing edge flaps nearly or are up and the leading edge flaps out. Would landing config be full trailing edge flaps if so the canoes covering TE flap jack screws on R/H wing should have scraped the ground seems from photos they have not scraped the ground ? The gear has come out to the right and rear.

I see the R/H nose tire is blown and #1 out of reverse.

[nitpicker330]

1/ that's the right Engine with the Reverser sleeve open, number 2
2/ the right nose wheel is deflated possibly as a result of the crew applying a fair bit of left rudder and or tiller to keep it straight, side loads probably caused the tire to fail.
3/ as to the Flaps, maybe they had a non normal situation with them beforehand??

Who knows......:D

[4 Holer]

Can anyone who flies a twin in this case 737 advise if they had an engine shutdown or idle is a flap 5 landing called out in the Emergency checklist ? I have only flown 3/4 engines 72/74/DC8s ??

I received more photos the R/H main tire is scrubbed out all up the sidewall until it blew suggests the aircraft was going sideways nose left of runway before the tire blew, ......

[Dash Balus]

Single engine landing is flap 15.

[Cactusjack]

Agree, too early to tell but if it was during landing then perhaps wx was a factor? Maybe the VASIS was overgrown with grass (not an unusual occurrence over there), perhaps she was off glidslope, unstable, who knows!
Next day or two should provide some insight, just glad the Drivers walked away unscathed :ok:

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

It looks like the righthand main collapsed. Hard landing or just a matter of the gear giving way?

RH main gear leg sheared during the rollout and folded back.
Not a downlock failure.
All OK. Should be off the runway shortly.:ok:

[4 Holer]

Yes per the photos failed due to going sideways.... scrubbed the tire out which blew then ripped the gear out due side load ?????
Did the forward gear trunion shear or did it pull through the spar attachment. The later would be a big issue to repair.

Why are the flaps at 5 for landing...............

[waren9]

is there a flap setting memory item for evac? after ldg checklist attempted? all sorts of reasons

[Tankengine]

Maybe they retracted the flaps to look under the wing.:zzz:

[ASY68]

Accident: Airwork B733 at Honiara on Jan 26th 2014, gear collapse on landing (http://avherald.com/h?article=46f15c12&opt=0)

[jet_mechanic]

My 2 bobs...

Aircraft ZK-TLC
Airwork owned and operated - Leased to Toll Priory
Maintained under the NZCAA Airwork system of maintenance.

Looks like Aircraft has landed and during the rollout and braking phase the MLG has failed. Flap config is probably due to the wing being cleaned up after landing. IE: T/E flaps are almost full up as the L/E won't go to full up until the T/E has.

Thrust reverser does look deployed on #2 Eng, but could have been pulled open as the engine was dragged along the Tarmac. The Flat RH nose wheels is actually the I/B wheel of the LH MLG if you look at the pic closer.

Cowboy operation I say... Bit of egg on there faces now. If I were a betting man I don't think this bird will be flying again.

[4 Holer]

J.M.

I received a few P.Ms seems that its NZ rego allows Toll to operate Australia domestic under NZCAA away from the CASA who the PMs say are more strict for Australia domestic.
That sounds real crazy like if the Canadians could come fly domestic in USA and Vice versa WTF...............

Seems luck ran out today if they are what you say, wonder if the gear has records back to berth ??

BTW,did a bit of googling seven planes ALL different 733F,734F,737P,734P from all over the place no way would the FEDS (FAA) let you run on 121 cert so many variables/types and pax with such a small fleet .................Must have a friendly CAA inspector or two :O

[Capn Bloggs]

That sounds real crazy like if the Canadians could come fly domestic in USA and Vice versa WTF...............

We have a special relationship with our sheep friends... :}

[ASY68]

http://i.imgur.com/eGFSZyW.jpg

[Australopithecus]

Most operators do not retract flaps on the runway. Maybe the should read "most operators in this region". If you were going to configure flaps for an evacuation in a pax plane you would select flaps 40 (more flaps than the typical 30, eg)

I do not know what procedures are in place for freighters in a non-normal landing. If it was me, I would select 40 in case the fwd exits were blocked and I wanted to preserve my fine pink young self with minimal souvenir scars.

That said, the aircraft is on the rwy, the crew are apparently unscathed, the world is rid of another ancient -300. What's not to like?



castigat ridendo mores

[cavemanzk]

That sounds real crazy like if the Canadians could come fly domestic in USA and Vice versa WTF...............

Same rule that allows Jetstar to fly Domestically within New Zealand with its VH-*** registered aircraft.

NZ/AU is operated as an single aviation market, any NZ/AU carrier can operate in either country.

Just like Virgin Australia, 10x of the 738s are ZK- registered, from time to time they will end up on AU domestici when needed.

[4 Holer]

Why on earth is that the case ? I had a quick look the regs in both countries are completely different.seems you cannot just walk in and swap licenses etc.

Why not just let anyone from anywhere cat1 just fly in either place ?? Looks like they try to follow Europe sharing things but botched it up ...still need passport etc pilot and mechanics not recognized .

I see Jetstar flying in NZ, there a big mob Airwork seems to have the whole 737 fleet in Australia.

Anyway leave it you guys down there to fly in each others country domestic will NEVER happen in North America the big carrier would stop it your regulators seem to know everything ???

[cavemanzk]

Why on earth is that the case ? I had a quick look the regs in both countries are completely different.seems you cannot just walk in and swap licenses etc.

Why not just let anyone from anywhere cat1 just fly in either place ?? Looks like they try to follow Europe sharing things but botched it up ...still need passport etc pilot and mechanics not recognized .

Check out this http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/new_zealand/sam.pdf it explains the single aviation market between Austrlalia & New Zealand. Also see http://www.icao.int/sustainability/CaseStudies/StatesReplies/Trans-Tasman_En.pdf

[By George]

Sad to see people already calling it a 'Cowboy operation', quite the opposite when you have the facts. Most of the Engineers are ex-Ansett, many of the pilots have retired from Legacy Airlines and at any given time the average hours on the flight deck are over 40,000. We fly NDB approaches and circle off them at night in remote Pacific locations in all kinds of weather flying a fleet where not one aircraft is the same configuration. I've never worked with a more professional and capable bunch of people. We also don't call ourselves 'drivers' we call ourselves pilots.

[4 Holer]

OK BJ,

You may be the top gun pilots, but suggest you stop pulling flap up on the roll and taking the hydraulic pressure from the gear if that was the case, GPS will keep you away from the hills, ADF will take you to the hills one dark thunderstorm night. You won't beat the law of averages forever as we have seen in Honiara.

Small Freighters at night in Pacific remote areas ??? APA are still using 727LRs across the Pacific from Guam island hop to Hawaii, built tough and take you home. There is nothing wrong with the B737-300F efficient fuel, two crew etc but applied in remote Pacific, max weights at night alternates hours over water, if one found themselves single engine one dark night with bad weather not my idea of fun. Its not a 767/777 category the 737-300 is a domestic aircraft.

[VolLibre]

Solomon Star newspaper (http://solomonstarnews.com/news/national/21547-aircraft-crashed-on-touchdown-no-casualties-reported)

An eye witness Joseph Abana told the Solomon Star that he was at the eastern end of the airport when the incident occurred.

Abana claimed the aircraft was hit by a strong wind to its right side when it was about to land.

“When it landed its tyres appears to have collapsed so it slides on its right side till it stops near the domestic terminal.

“Its right wing also crashed to the ground and as a result damaged its turbine engine.”

He said it took some few minutes before the fire service responded and rushed to the scene.

“Fortunately the crash did not ignite fire and none of the three crews on board were injured.”

Mr Abana also called on the aviation fire service to pull up their socks and to be on alert every time.

[Paragraph377]

Most of the Engineers are ex-Ansett, many of the pilots have retired from Legacy Airlines and at any given time the average hours on the flight deck are over 40,000.
Really?? BG, you wouldn't by chance be the Daddy Captain who paid for Juniors training and for him to become an F/O on the TOLL 737 fleet would you? It was the first time Junior had ever flown 737's, he certainly wasn't a legacy pilot because when Ansett collapsed he was around 11 years old!!!
I have nothing personal against TOlL as there are good pilots there, and yes I know them (the pilots I know don't even mind being called "drivers") but to imply that they perhaps set the bar when it comes to standards and experience on 737's is laughable and lamentable.

Interesting how 'safety oversight' has already been mentioned. Here is a fact, CASA has been told for years that there is not enough oversight being done on freight operators. But the response has always been 'passenger oversight is the greater risk' so we must apply our resources there (even though they chase lone Chopper pilots like Quadrio and expend resources and millions on that). For many years in Australia freight operators have operated some pretty large tin such as 737, 146, 727 and others, all of which could make an ugly mess if they landed in your neighbourhood, yet they have received minimal baseline oversight.
Because TOLL 737's are not VH registered and they sit on the NZ register they receive even less to nil oversight from CASA, this into opinion creates a greater potential risk.
CASA have to ask the CAA if they can conduct surveillance or any other activity in relation to TOLL's 737's. (Incidentally the Metro's and ATR's are on the Aus register so they are surveilled and audited).
Make no mistake, these 737's have been operating in, out and around Australia for a number of years with virtually free reign with almost nil Australian CASA oversight. Then again, is that really surprising?

[schlong hauler]

40,000 hours?.....
Absolute crap
Nobody does 1000 hours per year for 40 years especially in an airline environment.

[By George]

That is 40,000 hours on the flight-deck, not individually, for the brain-dead.

[Paragraph377]

That is 40,000 hours on the flight-deck, not individually, for the brain-dead.
This is still bollocks, particularly when Junior is in the R/H seat, El Capitano would have to have 37 000 hours. Then again maybe the flight deck config seats 10 - 12 'drivers' at a time, hence the 40 000 hour total up front?

[mattyj]

The one that operates nzaa-nzch nightly over here, I think 40k might be on the light side...

[big buddah]

I'm not really understanding why there's so much negativity and back stabbing in Australian aviation.
This was a NZ Aoc operation contracted to a large Australian freight company flying into the Solomon Islands. So what? this for people outside of Australia is a common aviation operation. I've worked all over the world on various operations with validations on foreign registration in other countries. All legit.
NZ and Australia have a common skies agreement but when something occasionally goes wrong all the bitching and moaning comes out.

I don't have anything to do with airwork but they are a very old company, so they must be doing something right? So they have a little cock up in the islands where most of you guys have never operated and know nothing about. Then all of a sudden you guys are experts on type and operations and you start slagging them off.

[601]

I'm not really understanding why there's so much negativity and back stabbing in Australian aviation.

+1.................

[iom]

Your first comment was...."I'm not really understanding why there's so much negativity and back stabbing in Australian aviation".

It's really simply, Aussies are the biggest bunch of whingers on planet earth! Too much work, not enough pay, he did this, he did that blah blah blah.

I'm sure if PPRuNe conducted a survey, they would agree.

[nitpicker330]

+2.............

Grow up.

[Offchocks]

+3 ...............

Then all of a sudden you guys are experts on type and operations and you start slagging them off.

Unfortunately its the Australian way!

[Capt Claret]

+4 ............

It's because, generally as a nation, we suffer from penis envy, and the more one slags off some one else, the bigger we think our penis is. :sad:

[benjam]

+5
Agree with you Capt Red

[Popgun]

+6

You gotta love us Oztronauts.

:eek:

PG

PS. I never realised how bad this aspect of the Aussie Aviation Psyche was here until I worked overseas in several countries alongside dozens of different nationalities...

[ad-astra]

+6.5

How about all the armchair experts and the petty point scoring egomaniacs go and have a cup of tea and we all wait for the official findings.

You serve no purpose except to make fools of yourselves.

[lilflyboy262...2]

+7

I also think the OP has a god complex about 'Murika.