Where Are we....... ?

[pilot and apprentice]

http://www.pprune.org/north-america/531810-southwest-lands-wrong-airport.html

This, admittedly fixed wing, thread reminded me of a topic that has come up all too often in the last couple years.

An offshore helicopter support flight lands at the wrong deck

To clarify for the non-industry people reading this, the multitude, this includes:
1. wrong deck, no clearance
2. wrong deck, good clearance
3. right deck, no clearance
and probably other iterations I haven't thought of.

My question is: how does your employer currently handle a 'transgression'?

My former and current employers both trumpet a 'just culture model' and yet treat any incident of this type as a hanging offence.

Has this become common through the industry?

And do our employers really think we will buy into 'just culture' when they continue to so flagrantly violate it?

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And if anyone knows the airline response, I'm curious about that too?

[pilot and apprentice]

Further discussion:

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/531795-swa-lands-wrong-airport.html#post8261133

Atlas Identifies Causes of 747?s Landing at Wrong Airport | Aviation International News (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=1e857e7500cdd32403f752206c297a3d&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pprune.org%2Frumours-news%2F531795-swa-lands-wrong-airport-2.html&v=1&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pprune.org%2Frumours-news%2F531795-swa-lands-wrong-airport.html&libId=716f75d4-ef00-485e-8b1d-e91ceea1abd1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ainonline.com%2Faviation-news%2Fainsafety%2F2014-01-06%2Fatlas-identifies-causes-747s-landing-wrong-airport%23.Ussr5JOufZM.twitter&title=SWA%20lands%20at%20wrong%20airport.%20-%20Page%202%20-%20PPRuNe%20Forums&txt=Atlas%20Identifies%20Causes%20of%20747%3Fs%20Landing%20a t%20Wrong%20Airport%20%7C%20Aviation%20International%20News&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13896287916237)

[26500lbs]

Absolutely NOT a hanging offence where I work. It happens, but very rarely. I would suggest any company that treats it as such needs to take a very good look at their culture in general. If and when it happens the procedures are often at fault and the crew are not the only point of failure. Hanging the crew achieves absolutely nothing except making some over officious manager feel like they have dealt with the issue, when in reality they have only made things worse. I thought our industry had moved on from this by now. It certainly has in the more developed operations. Of course there are exceptions and gross negligence or incompetence is not an excuse. In most cases however fear of punishment is an outdated mode of running an aviation operation and is more likely to induce further failure. :ugh:

[Steve Stubbs]

Not so much a wrong deck landing , but helps explain it sometimes.......

Back in the 70's I spent some time in the Ekofisk reading deck names whilst searching for the HENRY GIBSON in my S61, (with growing annoyance from the Ekofisk radio guys 'cos I couldn't find it), only to discover it was in fact the HENRIK IBSEN.

Two nations divided by a common language came close....

[nomorehelosforme]

At least in a helicopter you can hold back, have a look before making a final approach? In a fixed wing you have to commit from miles away!

[Sir Niall Dementia]

I can thoroughly relate to what Steve Stubbs has written, Borgland Dolphin and Borgny Dolphin close to each other in the Brent comes to mind.


I seem to remember early '90's after a wrong deck landing my then employers brought in a system where the last action before the "committed" call was that both pilots should read out loud the name of the rig/platform as they saw it on the deck/structure.


I only know of two wrong deck landings in my time offshore, the pilots weren't punished, but had an awful lot off p### extracted in the crew room. There but for the grace of god............


SND