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Seldomfitforpurpose
13th Jan 2014, 12:03
His own people now after him it would seem

BBC News - Arthur Scargill faces 100,000 legal claim from NUM (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-25681118)

A fitting end methinks :ok:

4mastacker
13th Jan 2014, 12:09
Didn't someone once make a comment about Socialism and other peoples' money? :hmm:

Doors to Automatic
13th Jan 2014, 12:12
A Socialist is just a jealous and frustrated failed Capitalist :ok:

Capetonian
13th Jan 2014, 12:29
A nasty piece of work whose antics caused misery to millions. I hope he gets what he deserves.

No doubt the lefties will be out here soon to defend him!

goudie
13th Jan 2014, 12:32
Hypocrites every one one of them, and he's one of the worst.
He didn't go hungry or lose his home during the miner's strike.

Low Flier
13th Jan 2014, 12:55
The scumbag lawyers have made a nice little turn on the deal. Trousered 100k for (re)gaining 30k for the union. A 300% margin. Greedy bastards.

I wonder if the NUM allowed the membership to vote on whether to get into that mess. Nah, they wouldn't do that. Would they?

Then there'll be the lawyers money-making opportunity arising from the 100k. And so on it goes.

airship
13th Jan 2014, 15:53
Yer wot?!

Is Scargill descending into senile dementia just like his arch-enemy Margaret?

Perhaps his only remaining claim to any fame is that none of his own offspring were involved in attempted coups in any African countries... :ok:

Seldomfitforpurpose
13th Jan 2014, 16:02
Perhaps his only remaining claim to any fame

A man who has for years been fleecing the NUM while other good men and women went to the poor house, he has no remaining claim to fame and hopefully this last law suit will will put him where he put so many others :D

sitigeltfel
13th Jan 2014, 16:28
Perhaps his only remaining claim to any fame is that none of his own offspring were involved in attempted coups in any African countries... :ok:

But he was involved in an attempt, using violence and intimidation, to try to bring down the democratically elected government of his own country. :rolleyes:

Krystal n chips
13th Jan 2014, 17:19
Once the self-righteous frothing has ceased.....this may take some time....I could say I am surprised, but there again, I'm not, as most of the frothers don't actually read an article, fully, before opening their keyboard gob, and thus this classic quote from m'learned friend, one destined I am sure, to be used many times in the future....there's a few on here who qualify for a start.......although some may have an ignore list and thus be deprived of the sentiments expressed and the relevance therein to themselves.

Copied verbatim from the BBC report.......:ok::D

"The judge said: "I believe he suffers to a high degree from the common tendency to reconstruct his recollection in a manner favourable to himself".

Scargill was no saint, a vainglorious individual who pampered his ego and, sadly, offered the unlamented deceased the opportunity, along with her acolytes, the opportunity to display the deep seated true nature of the Tory party.

He was also correct however, in many of his predictions and therein lies his main failing of the N.U.M and it's membership.

Mr Chips
13th Jan 2014, 17:49
Krystal I rarely understand what you write, but are you saying that the Judge essentially called Scargill a liar, and that he attempted to defeat a democratically elected Government and lost?

As for "unlamented deceased" that was an unnecessary slur.

Sunnyjohn
13th Jan 2014, 18:55
Krystal I rarely understand what you write I admire you, Mr Chips; I never do.

Effluent Man
13th Jan 2014, 18:59
That wasn't a slur.Merely a statement that,like many of us,he doesn't lament her.

sitigeltfel
13th Jan 2014, 19:01
With every post, he elevates the words "sneering, sanctimonious and condescending" to ever greater levels.

Noah Zark.
13th Jan 2014, 20:23
I worked in a private steel producing company, which became well known nationally, during the Steel Strike of 1980. I will never forget Scargill's thugs, with him at the front, complete with pickaxe handles, in support of the striking steelworkers, lining the only road from the bus stops to our works entrance, hurling torrents of vile abuse, and spitting on the girls that worked in the firm's offices as they tried to negotiate their way into work.
He lost an awful lot of support from ordinary people who would otherwise have supported him and the miners two years later.

Capetonian
13th Jan 2014, 20:30
I am glad I am not the only one who doesn't understand KnC's "sneering, sanctimonious and condescending" utterings. I came to the conclusion some while ago that they make no sense and have no value, for which reason he is on my 'ignore' list where he sits in splendid isolation. I do sometimes glance at his witterings on the morning email updates and usually laugh into my cereal!

ExSp33db1rd
14th Jan 2014, 02:27
I am glad I am not the only one who doesn't understand KnC's "sneering, sanctimonious and condescending" utterings..............and there was me thinking it was only me !

Krystal n chips
14th Jan 2014, 04:51
" Krystal I rarely understand what you write

Alas, it seems you may well have a case to sue your former educational establishments.....in fact, I would suggest you could even start a class action in this respect.

"With every post, he elevates the words "sneering, sanctimonious and condescending" to ever greater levels"

Ah, Siti.....that sounds remarkably similar to some of my annual assessments when I was a Cpl !.....I took them to be a compliment at the time....along with my complete disdain for the sources uttering this opinion....:p

Airey Belvoir
14th Jan 2014, 05:10
Which is probably why you reached the dizzy heights of ........corporal.

Puts you on a par with Mr Schicklegruber I suppose.

Krystal n chips
14th Jan 2014, 05:57
" Which is probably why you reached the dizzy heights of ........corporal."

And why, towards the end of my PVR period, I had no less than three "extended conversations" with a very much respected Wg,Cmdr who "robustly suggested " I apply to become an Air Eng. A bit late in the day unfortunately to encounter somebody with management ability given you can make a very strong analogy between Scargills leadership skills and the man-management skills of a significant proportion of Engineering and Admin Officers.

sitigeltfel
14th Jan 2014, 06:47
"With every post, he elevates the words "sneering, sanctimonious and condescending" to ever greater levels"

Ah, Siti.....that sounds remarkably similar to some of my annual assessments when I was a Cpl !.....I took them to be a compliment at the time....along with my complete disdain for the sources uttering this opinion....:p

My apologies, I forgot to include "pompous and patronising".

Effluent Man
14th Jan 2014, 07:14
There seems a particular unwillingness on JB to accept anyone with anything other than the pre packaged right wing mindset.I am certainly not a lefty in the accepted sense but I nevertheless find a lot of KnC's posts refreshing in their very differentness.
Thatcher was merely Scargill buit with the unlimited resources of the state behind her.Make no mistake if winning the fight against the Miners had meant the total collapse and irrevocable desolation of this country she would have pursued it to the bitter end.

Wingswinger
14th Jan 2014, 07:19
pre packaged right wing mindset.

Otherwise known as Common Sense.

Capetonian
14th Jan 2014, 08:04
I suppose there must be internet forums that cater for those who have still not accepted that socialism/communism in all its forms and incarnations is a failed idealogical experiment and that those countries still espousing it are failing. It is after all, only common sense to understand that whilst admirable as a theory, it is impractical and fundamentally unfair.

goudie
14th Jan 2014, 09:21
I sense K&C you have, in the past, been subjected to humiliating treatment by those who had authority over you. This appears to have left you with an overwhelming desire to lash out at the right wing, authoritative establishment.
I have met many similar people, most of whom were frustrated by not being able to attain, what they considered to be their maximum potential. Probably because they were thwarted by those who had the power to 'make or break'.
Pity you didn't take advantage of the Wing Commander's advice, he obviously saw your potential.

anotherthing
14th Jan 2014, 09:32
Goudie +1

I work with someone who applied for a different role and was informed they couldn't as they had not done a certain course. They complained to their line manager that not being allowed to do that course was hampering their career. Line manager, in light of the current obsession of being scared of tribunals etc, gave in.

I, along with a few others, on the other hand, would've told said colleague that their ability was hampering their career.

There's nothing that develops a chip on the shoulder faster than a perceived wrong doing to oneself because on has delusions of ability....

Airey Belvoir
14th Jan 2014, 10:00
And why, towards the end of my PVR period, I had no less than three "extended conversations" with a very much respected Wg,Cmdr who "robustly suggested " I apply to become an Air Eng


That, believe me, is a whole world away from actually being selected. It's a bit like all those "wannabee's" who say "Oh, I was offered a commission...." Yeah, right.

charliegolf
14th Jan 2014, 10:10
Which desert exactly, is Art going to get. Is he inheriting it?

CG

Clare Prop
14th Jan 2014, 10:17
Without wanting to undermine the plight of the miners, it was impossible to take Scargill seriously at all after this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmAewjR1kYU

Capetonian
14th Jan 2014, 10:59
As I have frequently said, his attempts at flowery pseudo-intellectual diatribe are the last resort of the intellectually bereft. In their futile attempts to look intellectual, they achieve the opposite. On the credit side, it does make the rest of us look good!

Keef
14th Jan 2014, 11:30
Without wanting to undermine the plight of the miners, it was impossible to take Scargill seriously at all after this:

The Comic Strip : The Strike (5 of 6) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmAewjR1kYU)

I get this when I click on it:

This video is not available in your country.
Sorry about that.

goudie
14th Jan 2014, 11:33
any justification for the air of superiority he consistently tries to create.
Usually stems from a sense of inferiority.

500N
14th Jan 2014, 11:36
"That, believe me, is a whole world away from actually being selected. It's a bit like all those "wannabee's" who say "Oh, I was offered a commission...." Yeah, right."

You can be "offered" anything, you still have to pass the
course and get the piece of paper in your hand !

Reminds me of an ex mate who decided to crap on one day
about the University of Melbourne where he studied law.
He forgot to mention that he quit after a year :rolleyes:

He then went on to other "achievements", Senior Scout
was compared to a Commission and a few other things.

500N
14th Jan 2014, 11:38
"I suppose there must be internet forums that cater for those who have still not accepted that socialism/communism in all its forms and incarnations is a failed idealogical experiment and that those countries still espousing it are failing."

The Greens in Aus seem to attract quite a few.

late-joiner
14th Jan 2014, 17:27
I get this when I click on it:

This video is not available in your country.
Sorry about that.

It's on 4OD in UK
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/comic-strip-presents/4od#3107220
and scroll back to 20 Feb 88
You have to register to view it

Rosevidney1
14th Jan 2014, 20:21
Airey Belvoir wrote:
Which is probably why you reached the dizzy heights of ........corporal.

Puts you on a par with Mr Schicklegruber I suppose.


Mr Schicklegruber as you call him changed the world.
Are you really sneering at those who never held a commission?
Why?

Airey Belvoir
15th Jan 2014, 00:00
Are you really sneering at those who never held a commission?
Why?
Nope. Rose to the dizzy heights of corporal myself at one time. However, I DID go through selection, succeeded and was commissioned. I DIDN'T sit on my own in some dark corner embittered and bemoaning the fact that I was "offered a commission/air eng" when it was obvious that I didn't have the personal qualities to carry it off.


And, as a climber, most of my really good mates in the RAF (and still today) were non-commissioned.


I get on well with most people - apart from those with their head stuck firmly up their nether regions.

Krystal n chips
15th Jan 2014, 04:38
" I DIDN'T sit on my own in some dark corner embittered and bemoaning the fact that I was "offered a commission/air eng" when it was obvious that I didn't have the personal qualities to carry it off.


Neither, strangely, did I. Having decided to leave, and not suffering from any form of insecurity, uncertainty as to the unknown, yes, I was unemployed for about one month, before being offered two jobs in the same week. The gliding world, like climbing, is very much a "rank free" environment, so that inference can also be dismissed.

As for my alleged bitterness, well, that's not true either. Most of us, at least those of use who aren't sycophants, will encounter those above us who abuse their, almost invariably, lack of ability by in effect being detrimental to those below them.

My political and social perspectives originate from a variety of sources and influences over the years. This is the advantage of having an open mind, a trait not readily evident, well non existent in fact, in the right wing schoolboy gang fraternity, both on here and in the real world.

As for Scargill, when I saw what seemed like battalions of Police in Derbyshire / Notts when I was en-route to Syerston for example, I thought then that, there was something dangerously and fundamentally wrong with a Gov't that could deploy them as their presence contradicted the long established principles of our, at times flawed as we know, but nevertheless one that worked, democracy in the UK.

And yes, I know, the "flying pickets" were equally culpable and I make no apologies for them.

onetrack
15th Jan 2014, 05:53
Scargill was and always will be a union thug, a standover man, and a man prepared to invoke violence upon people who did not agree to his wishes and aims.
He and his ilk are fully responsible for the odium that unions are held in, by many people - and not just employers.

Scargill sent thousands of his equally-thuggish Scottish, Irish and English lieutenants to Australia, where they wreaked mayhem with unreasonable and outrageous demands, and constant unwarranted strike action in the 1970's and 1980's.

As an independent contractor on numerous Australian minesites, I would see these rabble-rousing, regularly-threatening scumbags, constantly driving wedges between management and workers - and between workers who were pro-union and those who were against the thuggish tactics used by these shop stewards.

They finally met their match with hardened company management people, who put a stop to their reckless and irresponsible BS.
The demands of these thugs could never be satisfied - once management gave in to something, the demands got bigger and better.

It was strike action over not enough icecream varieties in the mess - strike action over too many flies in the mess - strike action over squabbles as to which union was entitled to lift up a piece of steel.
It was disgusting to watch, and it was demoralising to both workers and management.

In essence, these union thugs wanted total control of both management and workforce - while they utilised union funds for their own ends with no recourse to union members - and with little respect for legalities of what they did with union money.

I trust Scargill meets with a pick-axe-handle-wielding thug in his old age - who makes outrageous demands upon Scargills financial position - and who metes out the same treatment to Scargill, as Scargill was prepared to mete out to those who wouldn't buckle to his outrageous union demands. :suspect:

Effluent Man
15th Jan 2014, 06:50
What I find difficult to take is the double standards.Only yesterday we saw on our screens the very same people who bleated long and hard about Scargill's failure to obey the law of the land engaged in an hilarious attempt to thwart the very laws that they exhorted the NUM to obey.

There was the head of News International,the company that pursued Scargill and the NUM on behalf of the lawmakers trying to dispose of a laptop that contained evidence of their own illegality.Despite this task presumably being far simpler than hewing coal from a seam thousands of feet under ground they nevertheless failed despite deploying their serried ranks of highly paid Range Rover driving cronies.

Watching Dave's old school pal on the CCTV cameras scratching his head as he wondered where his hidden laptop had gone was a hoot.Der! Charlie,bins get emptied by bin men.Bet you didn't have too many inThe Bullingdon Club did you.?
Yes,well,they are people who work for a living,not parasites.

Andy_S
15th Jan 2014, 07:29
Did somebody mention double standards?

BBC News - Scargill used Thatcherite policy in bid to buy London flat (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25731328)

ShyTorque
15th Jan 2014, 07:37
Onetrack, good post. My family had many coal miners, including my grandfather. Had Scargill not forced so much unnecessary confrontation, maybe many of the pits would still be open, including the one in the village where I live.

Like so many others, he was using the industry for his own ends at the expense of those he purported to be supporting. The "comb-over" covered far more than his balding crown.

Noah Zark.
18th Jan 2014, 15:29
Scargill was using the strike, and the miners, to try to bring the Government down. If that had been allowed to happen, total anarchy would have ensued. What happened needed to happen. If a Government, of any colour or persuasion is democratically elected, the only way to remove that Government from power is by another democratic election.

MG23
18th Jan 2014, 16:47
Thatcher was merely Scargill buit with the unlimited resources of the state behind her.Make no mistake if winning the fight against the Miners had meant the total collapse and irrevocable desolation of this country she would have pursued it to the bitter end.

Which is what she was elected to do. Britain was on its last legs, and, if Scargill had won and destroyed Thatcher's government, would soon have have faced total collapse and irrevocable desolation.