TURKISH AIRLINE coming to Hong KONG

[jetjockey696]

Date : 22-23 January 2014
Time : Morning session 10.00 am / Afternoon session 3.00 pm
Venue : Novotel Citygate Hong Kong/Airport 51 Man Tung Rd-Tung Chung (MTR Exit C)

Minimum requirements:

CAPTAINS

Narrow Body Fleet

6,000 total flying hours
Minimum 3,000 flying hours in excess of 27 tonnes
Minimum 1,000 hours on the applied aircraft
Valid instrument rating in compliance with
EASA, JAR/JAA
Valid Class 1 Medical
ICAO English Proficiency – Min Level 4

Wide Body Fleet

11,000 total flying hours
Minimum 3,000 hours in excess of 27 tonnes
Minimum 1,000 hours on the applied aircraft
Valid instrument rating in compliance with
EASA, JAR/JAA
Valid Class 1 Medical
ICAO English Profiency-Min Level 4

FIRST OFFICERS

Minimum of 1,500 flying hours on aircrafts in excess of 27 tonnes
Minimum of 1,000 on the applied aircraft
Valid instrument rating in compliance with
EASA, JAR/JAA
Valid Class 1 Medical
ICAO English Proficiency – Min Level 4

[treboryelk]

anyone know rough pay scales?

[AQIS Boigu]

Didn't know they broke the unions...

I thought TURKISH had a full seniority system???

[jetjockey696]

AGAIN this slightly old values..


Informative Salary and Benefit Package for First Officers A330/B777 FIRST OFFICER


Salary:
A First Officer candidate, beginning to work in accordance with the requirements of the agreement, will be subject to Collective Labor Agreement and annexes thereof applicable (and to be promulgated later on) in Turkish Airlines Inc. and to protocols, regulations, directives, administrative board decisions and other legislation. Some of the rights regulated in the said legislation are as follows;

1- Salary
After the Employee starts the training, Monthly gross payment is TL 11,521 (€5,029 exchange rate may vary) plus a bonus payment of gross TL 5,951(€2,598 exchange rate may vary) is going to be given every three months ( In March, June, September and December over the sum of (1) seniority payment and (2) flight compensation). Thus per month the Employee will receive an average total gross amount of TL 13,504 ( €5,895 exchange rate may vary) .

The details of the gross monthly payment of TL 11,521 that is going to be given to be Employee after he/she starts line training is as determined below:
(a) TL 1,147 seniority payment if the Employee has bachelor degree ( may vary according to education level – university diploma equivalency must be approved by Turkish Council of Higher Education ( YÖK)- also after the completion of each year on the first day of the following August one seniority degree is given to the Employee.)

(b) TL 4,804 flight compensation,
(c) TL 5,240 credited additional flight compensation,
(d) TL 330 social support


Other Benefits:

The First Officer will be granted with a marital support of TL 950 for once in
case he gets married.

The First Officer will be granted with a breastfeeding benefit of TL 440 in case his wife delivers a child.

The First Officer will be granted with a death benefit of TL 1.200,00 in case the wife, the children of the First Officer, whom he is liable with supporting, his father or his mother deceases

Tax:

To calculate Net Pay, in accordance with current Turkish legislations, approximately 95% of Gross Salary is paid to the Employee (in a year approximately 5% withheld for taxes and social security deductions). The ratios of the deductions may vary increasingly throughout the year. The amount of deductions will be determined in accordance with bilateral taxation and social security treaties.


Overtime:

If the First Officer flies in excess of 70 hours in a given month, he/she shall receive an additional overtime payment for such exceeding flight time calculated by adding 50% to his level of hourly rate for such overtime (which is equal to TL 110,94 per hour as of July 1st, 2010) If the First Officer flies on Turkish religious and national holidays of Turkey or on Sundays, he shall receive an additional payment for such days calculated over a special hourly rate.

This job description is for informative purposes only and it does not form any contractual obligations.

Travel Allowance:

The First Officer will be paid a travel allowance in varying amounts determined as per the destinations to be travelled in accordance with the company circular regulating fuel support and travel allowances. As of July 1st, 2010, the travel allowance within Turkey is net TL 33 per day and for Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, it is net TL 50 per day. As to other destinations around the world, the travel allowances are being determined in varying amounts depending on the country to be travelled.

The First Officer will be granted the following pass or reduced rate tickets; one (1) 100% pass ticket and two (2) 90% reduced rate tickets for domestic flights for his wife and for his children under his custody after one (1) year employment with the TURKISH AIRLINES INC . After 2nd year of employment, one (1) additional 100% pass ticket for international routes (Middle East and Europe only). After 3rd year of employment, one (1) additional 100% domestic flight ticket and after 5th year one (1) 90% reduced rate international flight ticket. After 10th year, four (4) additional 90% reduced rate international flight tickets.

Additionally, the First Officer will be granted with 2 ID90R2 tickets monthly by TURKISH AIRLINES INC. that the First Officer applies the ticket sales office in person.

Insurance:

The First Officer benefit from the standard health plan provided by TURKISH AIRLINES INC. to all employees in accordance with the company policies.
The ATPL license of the First Officer will be insured by TURKISH AIRLINES INC. against the risk of loss of license due to medical reasons and the coverage of insurance will be equal to the coverage determined for First Officers of TURKISH AIRLINES INC.(the current insurance coverage for First Officer is USD 75,000).


Standard Roster pattern:

Follows the monthly roster according to the company procedures.


Accommodation & Transportation
After the employment, for the first 45 days TURKISH AIRLINES INC. will supply hotel accommodation and transportation.


Annual leave:

Annual leave of the First Officer who completes his/her one year of duty is 20 work-day.
5 - 15 years is 26 work-days, and more than 15 years is 30 work-day.


Other leave days:

The First Officer will be granted with paid casual leave up to 7 days in case of demand. The First Officer will be granted with paid marital leave for 8 days in case he gets married.

The First Officer will be granted with paid birth leave for 6 days in case his wife delivers a child.

The First Officer will be granted with paid leave for 7 days in case his wife,
children, mother or father or siblings decease.

The First Officer will be granted with paid leave for 5-12 days upon demand in case a natural catastrophe occurs in locations where he, his wife or the first degree relatives are resident.

The First Officer may be granted with a non-paid leave up to 90 days in a year in case of written application.

This job description is for informative purposes only and it does not form any contractual obligations.


Work Permit:

Turkish Airline shall arrange and pay for all work permit and resident permit to work in Turkey.

The First Officer undertakes to act in accordance with the Collective Labor Agreement and annexes thereof applicable (and to be promulgated later on) in TURKISH AIRLINES INC and to protocols, regulations, directives, administrative board decisions and other legislation.

[jetjockey696]

This information is slightly old well last year figures and conditions.. from agency..


TURKISH AIRLINES – A330-A340-B777 CAPTAINS

Start Date
Immediate start dates will be available (subject to assessment)

Base of Operations
Istanbul, Turkey (and other bases within Turkey as advised by THY)

Duration of Contract
THY are offering candidates successful at assessment a permanent contract

Salary
THY will pay pilots directly each month the following basic salary benefits:
Basic Salary: *TL17, 675.36 gross per month (**approx €7, 794)

*Note: Salary of TL17, 675.36 is inclusive of a seniority allowance. If you hold a Bachelor Degree qualification then this allowance shall remain included in the monthly salary. However if not hold this qualification then monthly salary will be reduced By TL971

The basic salary above is the gross amount payable by THY to the Pilots. Turkish taxes will be payable on this salary which are approx 4% / 5% per year.

Bonus
In the months of March/June/September/December each year a bonus of TL8,256 (**approx €3,640) will be paid by THY Per Diems

A travel allowance of TL33 (€14) per day will be applicable within Turkey and TL50 (**approx €21) for Turkish Northern Republic and Cyprus.

Travel allowances for other destinations may vary and will be advised by Turkish Airlines.

Overtime
If the pilot flies in excess of 70 block hours in a given month, they shall be entitled to receive an additional overtime payment of TL198.68 (**approx €87) per hour.

An additional special hourly rate shall be applicable if the pilot flies on Turkish religious and national holidays or on Sundays.

Travel Benefits
- THY will provide air travel to the Pilots home country during the block-off days
- 2 x ID90R2 tickets per month
- 1 x 100% pass ticket & 2 x 90% pass ticket for domestic flights for the Pilot & his eligible family members after 1 year
- After 2nd year of employment 1 additional x 100% pass ticket (ME/EU routes)
- After 3rd year of employment 1 additional x 100% domestic flight ticket
- After 5th year of employment 1 additional 90% reduced rate international flight ticket
- After 10th year 4 additional x 90% reduced rate international flight ticket
Holiday & Leave Entitlement
Pilots will be entitled to 20 days annual leave after the first year of service increasing to 26 days annual leave from 5 years of service and 30 days annual leave after 15 years of service

Accommodation
THY will provide a gross allowance amount of TL2, 000 (approx €880) per month where the Captain provides a copy of his rental contract applicable to accommodation in IST

Roster Pattern
Pilots will be scheduled to perform 3 weeks of flight service after which they will take one week off

Insurance
Turkish Airlines will provide the pilot with a standard health plan in accordance with local company policy and procedures.
Loss of Licence insurance will also be provided by Turkish Airlines in accordance with the local company policy and procedures.

Notice Period
Pilots will be required to provide 3 months notice for termination of assignment.

[Trafalgar]

Crap. The interesting thing is that the world over, there is a definite pilot shortage developing (pilots with experience....they can always get wannabe cadets). Slowly but surely the pay and benefits will increase. Within two or three years, many contract jobs will be better than CX. Give it time. In the meantime....I don't need a 'breastfeeding allowance'...!! :hmm:

[Sqwak7700]

Waste of a trip to HKG with those offers. They might grab a few individuals desperate for a ticket out of the Fragrant Harbour, but the money is quite low.

[The FUB]

The renumeration package is low, so perhaps the main target is not CX/KA but some of the Europeans flying with the other HKG carriers. Or if you're desperate and cannot get a LON base at least Turkey is closer to home and could offer a possible commute.

[Dan Winterland]

Would suggest HKA is indeed the target. CX and KA guys won't be tempted at that money.

[olster]

Gosh, a breastfeeding allowance - that's a new one... This industry continues to provide some hilarious comedy. Cheers.

[SOPS]

Ignoring how much they are paying, the interesting thing is they are sniffing around. Qatar is in KL, Emirates have been in Singapore and Sydney, and now Turkish in Hong Kong.i think the wheel is slowly turning.

[Rook]

Can anyone comment on living in Turkey? Especially leaving your wife/kids there while you are away. How about cost of living? Expat lifestyle?

[Yeager]

I've got zero interest in the Turkish, but does anybody know if they will be serving food, drinks, tobacco or perhaps some breast milk at the upcoming event?

The conditions offered by the turks are pathetic and I find it hard to believe that anybody at CX (even though a cr@p employer) or KA would even consider switching. Probably much more relevant for HKA pilots with an EASA license. Suppose the solid 1 week off and a rather short commute could be worse. But the money is sh@t.

[Mr Angry from Purley]

The conditions offered by the turks are pathetic and I find it hard to believe that anybody at CX (even though a cr@p employer) or KA would even consider switching. Probably much more relevant for HKA pilots with an EASA license. Suppose the solid 1 week off and a rather short commute could be worse. But the money is sh@t.

More to the point the grass is very much green at CP, the problem is you dont see what's happening in the real world perhaps....:\

[Yeager]

Mr Angry fp,

You don't think the grass is green at Cathay Pathetic - for real - right? :} You'r obviously just kiddin', right? Quite funny though :ok:

[Killaroo]

Turkish have had a lot of dealings with HKA recently, they are trying to set up a freighter wet lease. But thanks to CAD foot dragging in this wonderful "liberal free-market city" - that venture remains grounded.
But the Turkish managers who came to HKA to do an audit recognized another potential opportunity, in the numerous JAA/EASA qualified European pilots whose human needs are being baldly ignored (if not intentionally thwarted) by HKA. They began making offers to individual pilots even back then!

HKA has no commuting contract, and no Bases. They claim to be a HK based airline with HK based crew, but they don't pay a penny in housing allowances, or schooling fees. That all comes out of your own basic salary, which hasn't been adjusted for inflation in 2 years. It's around 4% p.a.
The package doesn't make it attractive - or indeed practical - to bring a family. Most HKA guys live bachelor lives.

A while ago it was still possible to make it home now and again, because the roster was over manned, and DDOs could be grouped. Crewing were quite accommodating.

But lately, pilots have begun leaving for greener pastures, and the rostering is now getting very tight. Management have even gone so far as to ban requests for more than three DDOs in a row....and even three in a row is rare anyhow. Single DDO's are very common.
The result is that none of the European or South American crews can go home any more. Hong Kong is their prison. Only the Philipppino and Taiwanese pilots are managing to have anything resembling family lives. This is resulting in massive sick out numbers, and more guys drifting away every month.
It's a real pity, as it is now becoming a very unhappy and pessimistic scene.

I guess the Turks see the writing on the wall, even if HKA Management ignore it. They'll get at least a handful of guys at HKA. Many more are actively looking elsewhere or are already 'in the departure lounge'.
Maybe HKA Management will finally wake up when they have to start canceling flights. By then it may be too late. That kind of outcome is exactly what the CAD will pounce on to further wind the show down. Jetstar is waiting in the wings.

[broadband circuit]

Jetstar is waiting in the wings.

Do you honestly believe their package/rostering etc will be any better???

[Killaroo]

The euro has been staging a comeback since mid 2013. Ever since things calmed down a bit in Greece. But will it last? There are still enormous fiscal issues to be worked through in the PIGS.
In the short term, yes, the current strength of the euro has a damaging effect on those THY salaries.

But if you look at the HKD/EUR rates you'll see the HKD has fallen steadily all year too, down about 6% . If your home is in Europe you are losing ground, while also facing 4.5% p.a. inflation in HK, a mega expensive city.

HKA does not fly to Europe, and gives their expats nothing in terms of ticket subsidies, so any home trips you manage to get are full fare, at your own expense. They don't even allow their pilots jump-seat travel on their own network! (Except on two local freighter services, and with massive paperwork headaches associated.)

THY offer free tickets home on your block Off Days!

THY may not be the golden goose - but if you are tired of separation from home and family it starts to look like a decent option. With their better Days Off arrangements (3 weeks on 1 week off) and europe-wide route network, you can at least have a semblance of normality. No need to transfer the family to Istanbul. Just hop on a free flight and get home to them in an hour or two!

The HKA salary is already below par for HK. Subtract the tax, the cost of housing, the cost of full fare tickets home, and the difference might boil down to a few hundred euro either way at current exchange rates. The Basic Salary is the same as HKA. The extras could put it ahead.
It won't likely attract CX guys, but they aren't the target. It's HKA all the way.

Can anyone clarify - what are the jump-seating arrangements at THY? Do they accept FD crew in the jump-seat on leisure travel? Do they give free jumpseat privileges to FD crew traveling in uniform?

Jetstar is waiting in the wings.
Do you honestly believe their package/rostering etc will be any better???

What I meant was if HKA winds down through lack of crews/cancellations/delays/CAD obstructionism, there's another operator begging to be given a go.

[Lowkoon]

If you get kidnapped on an overnight, in say, oh I don't know, Lebanon, does the breast feeding allowance still apply during periods of torture and incarceration? Also, would I actually have to lactate to qualify, or would one 'selfie' of my man boobs get me the Loot?

[airbus-flyer]

Hi guys,

I will be going to Turkish Airlines Roadshow in HKG...
Anyone has any idea of what to expect? Will they conduct individual interviews?tech exam?

Anyone knows how long will it take for an expat A330 FO to get upgraded? if they even upgrade... and not having a university diploma will cause a problem?
Will they consider fast track command for experienced FOs 6000+ total with 4000Hrs on type?

What are the A330/A340 routes/Layovers like in Turkish? any expansion on this fleet?

Thanks

[Killaroo]

Go to the show.
Don't do interviews until you are prepared, and know and accept the T&Cs.
Come back here and tell us all about it.

[Dan Winterland]

I see they have a full page ad in the DB magazine!

[Killaroo]

Mate, have you not seen their full size front page ad in The Standard over the last few weeks? They've been repeating it. I've never before seen such a high profile recruitment drive by an airline looking for pilots. Makes one almost feel wanted....

[broadband circuit]

They've even got a full sized poster in the ferry pier at DB (just after you pass the coffee shop inside the pier, down the ramp and turn right)

[Fly747]

BUSINESS - Turkish Airlines hires foreign pilots for safety: CEO (http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-airlines-hires-foreign-pilots-for-safety-ceo.aspx?pageID=238&nID=61037&NewsCatID=345)

[Al Neri]

Hi guys...according the information above the basic salaries in euros are totally wrong since the lira today is 3.01 please just do your own calculations and you will discover how lows are the salaries....

[claser111]

Turkish doesn't like foreign pilots but they need them. You will be paid in local currency and the Turkish Lira is going down, not so many annual leave and you will have to deal with the turkish personnel... think about that. Don't forget, if you apply as FO there is no upgrade unless you have a university degree!

[Killaroo]

As opposed to ....Mainland personnel perhaps? Or Korean? Or Taiwan?
Which is better?
Or least worst.....

[Didacts and Narpets]

I went and was (well not really) surprised by the CX pilot turnout. This said a lot about the displeasure of CX pilots particularly, Europeans.

The devil is in the details. The details are vague ex; after a year you can REQUEST 2xID 90s for you and your family.

Commuting roster but only widebody captains get housing and a ticket home.

Pay is between 8100 and 11200 Euros. But its paid in an odd way.

The Irish Captains answer to the question about FOs being bypassed for DECs told me how they think. Just like CX btw with DECs.

The presentation was weak and it sounded like a sales pitch to a group of investors. Safety is priority blah blah blah. Coby Bryant being there star now. Really? Coby Bryant, he's a tool and had that controversy with his wife. This is your star. Bring back Kevin Kostner.

[igor_80303]

of course we are paying breastfeed benefits to you. for your both breasts as well. whats more, if you get kidnapped and killed by terrorists, we will breastfeed your kins ourselves. plus free accommodation.

personally i was kidnapped twice and you can t image the fortune i made with benefits. actually i am arranging those kidnaps, paying some to the guys to kidnap me.

[Lowkoon]

https://encrypted.google.com/finance/chart?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=CURRENCY:TRYEUR&tkr=1&p=5Y&chst=vkc&chs=229x94&chsc=1

https://encrypted.google.com/finance/chart?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=CURRENCY:TRYEUR&tkr=1&p=5Y&chst=vkc&chs=229x94&chsc=1

Not a pretty picture. Did someone say free fall?

[Harbour Dweller]

See the Middle East forum for a long thread on Turkish.

It makes an interesting read.

[porkflyer]

Guys dot't get fooled. You cannot trust THY. They have been fooling around with expat since the very beginning. Salary are down 30%. In the last three days car burned, 7 people killed and a shoot out in the middle of town all politically related. . Political situation is deteriorating, economical situation very grim. Beside terrible CRM, nationalistic attitude, you will be a disposable temporary tool for their dreams of Islamic domination of the world.
FO's got screw by discovering that they will need a degree ( any..even in agricoltural science) to upgrade. A complete **** up..stay away people are leaving.

[ulugbek-pilot]

Political affairs and problems are everywhere, it's temporary, and you porkflyer better be careful with such expressions, car burnt, so what, don't you remember terr acts in London and not only in there. Turkey is still growing country, better yet they're going to build the biggest airport in Istanbul and all these political promblems like you say they're experiencing nowadays as usual have the outside interference. Some wouldn't want to accept the Turkey is one of the powerful states

[The FUB]

You seem to have touched a raw nerve Porkflyer, I think your handle may have something to do with it. Last time I was in Turkey there were horse and carts on the road, a backward country that was still bombing the PKD,PUK etc in Iraq from bases in it's own country. Good luck if you go there.

[boxjockey]

Why on this great green earth would ANYONE consider leaving a HKG airline to work for Turkish? I just can't fathom the reason, and this coming from someone who has been commuting for far too long and looking for a way out of HKG at nearly any cost. Madness.

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