6 feared dead as Russian transport plane crashes in Siberia

[Ganzic]

6 feared dead as Russian transport plane crashes in Siberia
Not many details yet:

6 feared dead as Russian transport plane crashes in Siberia ? RT News (http://rt.com/news/plane-crash-siberia-russia-828/)

[5 APUs captain]

Latest weather: 030/2kt, V-1900m, ovc-200ft, -25*C.

[Kubalson]

9 dead

http://rt.com/news/plane-crash-siberia-russia-828/

[JanetFlight]

This one here:

RA-12162 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nilsmosberg/5170110896/)

[Smoketrails]

It wasn't 10 km out from the strip as it was not landing at Irkutsk International but Irkutsk North Western. This is where the plant is that the AN12's fly for. And the 14 end has barracks.

[Big Pistons Forever]

How many fatal accidents by Russian operators for this year are we at now ? :ugh:

[CargoOne]

BPF

From what I read in the news this is not an airline operated aircraft, nor it is military. Aircraft belongs and operated by aircraft manufacturing plant Irkut and registered on experimental aircraft register in Russia. I know it sounds weird but very likely this a work around to continue flying this dinosaur... Frankly I'm not sure who is responsible for oversight of this operation and who will lead investigation.

[Basset hound]

"The An-12 came in for landing at low altitude and grazed military depot buildings 10 kilometers away from the landing strip, after which it crashed,” a law enforcement source told the agency."

That's a bit short.

[N4565L]

Maybe as many as nine dead.

Here is a photo of the aircraft in happier times:

WorldAirPics.com : RA-12162 (http://www.worldairpics.com/results.php?ft=yes&q=RA-12162)

[5 APUs captain]

1. Airplane was more than 50 y.o.
2. Looks like Non-Precision NDB approach; crashed before inner marker.

Weather 260/2kt, V 4700m, bkn 300 ft, -26*C, RW14.

[Hotel Tango]

1. Airplane was more than 50 y.o.

So what???

[Kubalson]

Live ATC record:

http://files.radioscanner.ru/files/download/file16393/12162.mp3

anyone know russian?

[N4565L]

Chances are a/c age will not be a factor in this incident :=

[mini]

As an aside,

Anyone know how many AN12's are still plying their trade?

(if only the Herc was as durable...)

[brak]

ATC audio sounds like a normal landing, and then immediately goes into emergency response.

[vovachan]

Here are some crash scene photos:

Ïàäåíèå ñàìîëåòà ÀÍ-12 (ÔÎÒÎÃÐÀÔÈÈ Ñ ÌÅÑÒÀ ÑÎÁÛÒÈß) (http://www.38.mchs.gov.ru/news/detail.php?news=51539)

These are poor quality nighttime pics taken from the rear, but the fuselage looks pretty much intact from that angle and sits level on the ground. Looks like a controlled flight to my untrained eye.

[ulugbek-pilot]

The weather inf. was more than fine,crew error 90%, you know those 5crew member planes:ugh:

[brostovsky]

Listened to the communication exchange between the Pilot and the controller. The controller gave him the wind info and the pressure. The Captain sounded very relaxed and precise in his replies. He confirmed to the Controller that he intercepted the glide slope and that the gear is down, and he is ready for an approach.

[ulugbek-pilot]

Yep,bit later there was ground services nervous intercommunications

[ulugbek-pilot]

Bad navigation after outer marker,too many similar crashes, just like written on the book

[ulugbek-pilot]

Though they say loc established,than what's the problem,precision appr

[N4565L]

Thev RA-16 series was not used for the Antonov 12

[Finn47]

How many fatal accidents by Russian operators for this year are we at now ?As far as I can tell, this was only the second major crash with fatalities by Russian operators in 2013, if you don´t include the two fatal crashes of Antonov 2´s which were performing crop spraying ops.

Aviation Safety Network > ASN Aviation Safety Database > Geographical regions index > ASN Aviation Safety Database results (http://aviation-safety.net/database/dblist.php?Country=RA)

Outside Russia, nothing in 2013 except the Superjet 100 gear-up landing in Reykjavik with minor injuries.

[vovachan]

Here is a somewhat clearer photo

http://img.ntv.ru/home/news/20131227/6_An7.jpg

[mikkojuha]

What pros! can say concerning the right side prop blades?

[VNAV PATH]

Nice to see green leaves and short sleeve shirts in Siberia by Xmas..

[KarlADrage]

Posts#25 and #26:

Aren't they pictures from two, possibly three DIFFERENT crash sites? (tail logo may have been painted out after the event on the second shot of a blue aircraft, I accept)

[Etud_lAvia]

Madness!

As VNAV PATH sagely observed, the two photos posted by StormyKnight don't seem to resemble Siberian winter ;)

And yes, KarlADrage has it right -- they are two different crash sites, both vastly remote from Siberia.

The upper photo appears to be of a Tu-134 that crashed near Petrozavodsk (in far northwestern Russia) in June of 2011.

The lower photo -- an actual AN-12 this time! -- would seem to be a crash in the Phillipines in April of 2010.

No doubt StormyKnight posted in good faith, unaware that the linked sources inexcusably stuck random file photos on their reports without identifying them as such!

To complete the circle, we need an online journal that illustrates the Irkutsk crash story with a photo of the Zeppelin Hindenburg burning up at Lakehurst, NJ.

[Noddys car]

that last photo is the AN12 which crashed in Philippines (CRK) a few years back

[Hotel Tango]

Indeed, UP-AN216 was w/o on take-off in Barangay Laput 22 April 2010. Take these pictures off StormyKnight. Nothing to do with this accident.

[vovachan]

The front end damage - looks a lot worse

http://img.ntv.ru/home/news/20131228/ann.jpg

[Machinbird]

Looks like Vovachan has a proper picture.
It would be interesting to learn what made this accident non-survivable by the crew & passengers. Clearly the front end was heavily involved in fire, but frequently there is some time at the beginning of an event that allows the able-bodied to escape a fire. The aircraft appears to have stopped without major disruption to the structure (upright with wings and tail still attached to the fuselage.)

Were they all disabled by impact forces? Did seats break loose. Did cargo come through the cockpit? What made this accident completely non-survivable?

[vovachan]

Apparently they ran head on into a bunch of structures on the ground (warehouses)

[Kulverstukas]

The front end damage - looks a lot worse

What made this accident completely non-survivable?

This is from Investigation Comitee video:

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[Octane]

There is no 'front end'. It's gone, demolished....