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CMM

22nd Dec 2013, 08:13

Hi all

I was wondering if anybody has any information on what is planned, (if anything) for G-BOAB? I hope she won't be left to rot at Heathrow. Perhaps used as a training tool for BA Engineers?

Thanks and regards

Lukeafb1

27th Dec 2013, 20:53

CMM,

Its moved around the BA servicing area occasionally and sometimes is parked on a pan for a couple of weeks. Externally still looks in good condition, though.:)

FlyingEagle21

28th Dec 2013, 00:21

It's a shame this never took off..

http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/article-1286919386174-0b94831e000005dc-468599_636x329.jpg

Concorde 'set for new home on Thames' in floating display | Metro News (http://metro.co.uk/2010/10/12/concorde-set-for-new-home-on-thames-in-floating-display-544913/)

PAXboy

28th Dec 2013, 00:40

This is Britain - if it costs money and you cannot guarantee a payback in 1 year - nothing will happen. :p

llondel

28th Dec 2013, 02:07

It's a shame this never took off..

There's no way that would ever take off, the runway isn't long enough.:E

Mr Mac

28th Dec 2013, 08:17

Paxboy
How can you say that when we live and work in a country with such wonderful and helpful financial institutions which are always available to help companies / schemes get off the ground or in difficult times - shame on you .

Regards
Mr Mac

LAS1997

28th Dec 2013, 08:42

She needs a nice cosy warm hangar somewhere. Why cant she go to Bahrain for display? Plenty of money in the Gulf State and of course it was Bahrain that gave Concorde her first SSC scheduled flight back in 1976 when the Americans were anti-Concorde and would not give her traffic rights to JFK.

spottilludrop

28th Dec 2013, 12:23

Why on earth would BA engineers use her to train on ? They may as welll get them trained on tridents or some other ancient bit of kit that have no relevance whatsoever

pwalhx

28th Dec 2013, 13:01

Manchester seemed to be quite happily able to build something to properly display its magnificent machine, shame London doesn't seem to be able to do something.

DaveReidUK

28th Dec 2013, 15:07

Why on earth would BA engineers use her to train on ? They may as welll get them trained on tridents or some other ancient bit of kit that have no relevance whatsoeverMany airlines, or at least those who still run their own in-house training, use retired aircraft and engines for apprentices to cut their teeth on. Whether or not that's the case with G-BOAB I don't know, but even if it isn't you would be surprised at just how much of the structure and systems of a 40-year old aircraft is still relevant today.

wigglyamp

28th Dec 2013, 15:12

As an ex-BA apprentice on 707/VC10/Concorde, we had a Comet to learn on! We also had Viper engines from Jet Provosts to learn about compressor balancing and tail booms from Vampires for control cable rigging - and that also applied to avionics guys!. It really doesn't matter too much what the airframe is if it's for learning basics.

flyinspanner

28th Dec 2013, 15:45

Hey Wiggly - ditto here :cool: and don't forget the radial engines we used to strip and rebuild too!:ok:

wigglyamp

28th Dec 2013, 15:49

What we're they - Alvis Leonadise from helicopters I believe. Leant to wire-lock in the most awkward positions!

flyinspanner

28th Dec 2013, 16:07

Yep, chopper engines, though it has to be said that it was a good varied grounding in how to approach and complete jobs, which has stood me in good stead over the years.
I've still got my BCARs up in the loft! :8 .....not updated since '82 though:{

ZOOKER

28th Dec 2013, 20:20

Heathrow had a great facility to display 'AB. It's called Terminal 5. Just a shame no-one in 'management' had the b*lls to do it.

ZFT

28th Dec 2013, 21:31

PAXboy

29th Dec 2013, 03:52

How right you are Mr Mac, wotevvah 'appened to mah Xmas luv ov mankind ...

Now, if memory serves (and it might well not) someone had an idea for T5 to have a roof garden? All under a dome, that was for viewing, dining/refreshment and to be able to admire an a/c that was parked there under the dome?

No, that can't be right!

Mr Mac

29th Dec 2013, 09:17

Value engineered out of the scheme I think at quite an early stage as far as I am aware. I have worked on a number of airport schemes in my career and vary rarely do you get a budget for that sort of thing even in cash rich parts of the world. Now if its a shopping mall you want at an airport then no problem, even built quite large shopping areas in hospitals before now which involved closing Wards to make room for it, and in one memorable case fitting out a lawyers office next to Accident and Emergency. A&E Consultant not impressed when he found out, and said patients would have business cards clasped in hand before they arrived to be treated !. Anyway bottom line is no financial gain, no get, on all the projects I have worked on recently.

Regards
Mr Mac

PAXboy

29th Dec 2013, 15:15

... no financial gain, no get ...Indeed Mr Mac. It reminds me of a very small project that I did when in telecommunications. It was a sub-project, just one aspect ongoing at the company I was employed by, an international name even then.

The equipment was important to give us mgmt information about the telephone traffic and costs and was only a couple of thousand. The finance director said that it would not really pay for itself and refused. That was 1983 and a big lesson for me as a young manager. :=

Nothing has changed! :*

ZOOKER

29th Dec 2013, 17:11

"Value Engineering". What a lovely 'management' expression. I believe it means 'cost-cutting'.

Imagine if Sir Christopher Wren had employed it, or Brunel, or 'The Lighthouse Stevenson's, or Sir John Fowler and Benjamin Baker, Barry and Pugin, and the folk who designed and built Stonehenge, The Pyramids, The Empire State Building, Concorde, The Vickers VC10, QE2, Saturn V Rocket and a thousand other things.

Just imagine how "value engineering" would have impacted on global tourism.

I recently visited a local £20m building project. The concept of a glass ceiling in a corridor which lead to the main part of the project was removed due to "value engineering".
The corridor now has to be illuminated H24, 365 days per year, using electricity we can barely afford to produce, sold to the project's 2 owners who allegedly care about the environment.

CMM

29th Dec 2013, 19:34

Thanks for the replies, all. I hope it is appreciated for what it is in the future.

KBPsen

29th Dec 2013, 19:40

Give it to London Zoo. I don't think they have a white elephant in their collection.

ZOOKER

29th Dec 2013, 20:06

Route HS2 via Regent's Park. - Sorted.

AeroSpark

29th Dec 2013, 20:46

Shame they couldn't find a way to put her where the old model was on the roundabout, instead of selling out to Emirates.
Does anyone know what happened to BAOD? I was lucky enough to have a pleasure flight on her years ago, 1984 I think.

DaveReidUK

29th Dec 2013, 21:21

Does anyone know what happened to BAOD?No, it disappeared without trace. :O

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/BA_G-BOAD_Concorde_Intrepid_NYC.jpg/640px-BA_G-BOAD_Concorde_Intrepid_NYC.jpg

PAXboy

29th Dec 2013, 21:46

The Americans hated the idea of the Europeans producing the first SST so much, that they delayed for years with their usual obfuscation. When they failed to produce their own SST, they eventually agreed.

When it was over? They couldn't wait to get a couple into their collection! :rolleyes:

Tinwacker

28th Jan 2014, 14:10

Well I digressed from the Concord story, suddenly it was Apprentice Association Week. Just to add to some of you on this site I also sat in that lovely Arganaut cockpit listening to those engines running, might have been two and coughing a tad. Played round the ex BOAC Comet that returned from Mexicana.
BOAC apprentice 1967, started in the BEA hangar bashing my thumb with a hammer. At one end of the hangar was a Vanguard being converted into a Merchantman - then I woke up on PPRUNE....:ok:

TW

TURIN

29th Jan 2014, 09:18

That Comet flt deck, vampire tail booms, helicopter piston engines and Jet Provest Vipers were still being used in the early 80s to train apprentices.
However, compared to a B787 or A350, Concorde would seem archaic and irrelevant to the ipad generation of today.

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BOAC73

29th Jan 2014, 23:02

Nonsense Turin,
You can't teach hand skills with an iPad!
B73.

Phileas Fogg

30th Jan 2014, 11:31

Does anyone know what happened to BAOD?

No, it disappeared without trace.

But that's not G-BAOD, that's G-BOAD!

P.S. There's a clue in the registrations by the identity of the pre-BA customer airline :)

DaveReidUK

30th Jan 2014, 13:15

But that's not G-BAOD, that's G-BOAD!Given that the thread is about Concorde airframes, it didn't take a genius to work out that the dyslexic poster in question probably wasn't referring to flying in a Rallye that was written off the same year that Concorde first went into service. :ugh:

Phileas Fogg

30th Jan 2014, 13:41

Given that the thread is about Concorde airframes, it didn't take a genius to work out that the dyslexic poster in question probably wasn't referring to flying in a Rallye that was written off the same year that Concorde first went into service.

Genius's have got better things to do than go researching "reggie spotting" airframe identities, all I know, or particularly have any interest about, is that the British Concordes were designated to airline "BOAC" and not "BAOC" :)

And I'm pretty damn sure that the pointy nosed thing that I went circuit bashing on whilst on detachment from Lyneham to Brize Norton during 1977 was registered G-BOAD!

Right, back to worrying about the typhoons, indeed super typhoon, tropical depression and last evening's earthquake that we have been experiencing around these parts of late.

PAXboy

30th Jan 2014, 15:52

Phileas Fogg ... back to worrying about the typhoons, indeed super typhoon, tropical depression and last evening's earthquake that we have been experiencing around these parts of late. I thought Cloud 9 was supposed to be a quiet and peaceful place??? :p

llondel

30th Jan 2014, 17:53

I thought Cloud 9 was supposed to be a quiet and peaceful place???

After a bit of weather and earth movement, it's probably a piece-full place.

TURIN

30th Jan 2014, 20:11

Nonsense Turin,
You can't teach hand skills with an iPad!
B73.

Where did I say you could? :=

You won't need an insert riveted patch repair on a composite fuselage.

Troubleshooting a faulty flt control system will not involve turnbuckles and tensiometers, you will need to know how to use software based diagnostic tools.

Be well. :ok:

BOAC73

30th Jan 2014, 23:46

Turin,
Lenny Law and Shaky Jake Pender will turn in their graves!
I suspect you are correct,but I was looking at a nice set of drills and (d)reamers for the 787 repair kit the other day. Same day I had to explain what wire twisters were for to a year two apprentice. Times have certainly changed!
Cheers,
B73.