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PTT
17th Dec 2013, 17:28
Stupidity 1: On Slate (http://www.slate.com/articles/life/holidays/2013/12/santa_claus_an_old_white_man_not_anymore_meet_santa_the_peng uin_a_new_christmas.html) someone decides that a white Santa is exclusive of non-white children. The suggestion is that Santa should instead be a penguin. Yep, a penguin. Regardless of the fact that he is imaginary and it therefore really doesn't matter and regardless of the fact that how parents deal with this issue is up to them (and the fact that the author wasn't happy about how her parents dealt with it is, frankly, her problem), this person has decided that Santa must be a penguin.

Stupidity 2: Fox News' Megyn Kelly has a "debate" about the article on her show (video available through previous link). Not only is debating such stupidity itself stupid, but she comes out with the absolute corker
"You know, I mean, Jesus was a white man, too,” Kelly said. “He was a historical figure; that's a verifiable fact" (see 1:47 on the video)

Laughable from both sides! :D:D:D

(For any kids reading this, it is of course just us adults having a joke: Santa does exist and looks exactly like the Coke bottles, and Jesus is imaginary ;) )

rgbrock1
17th Dec 2013, 17:33
I wonder what Ms. Kelly would say if she finally realized that Jesus was not a white man but a dark-skinned Jew? :eek::eek::ok::ok:

PTT
17th Dec 2013, 17:37
She put out a statement (http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/12/16/megyn-kelly-addresses-white-santa-comments) after that broadcast which included:
By the way, I also did say Jesus was white as I've learned in the past two days, that is far from settled.I doubt it's that far from settled...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW8xsk9BK3Q

Dak Man
17th Dec 2013, 17:48
I would love to see her verfication that said son of god was a historical figure.

Lonewolf_50
17th Dec 2013, 17:51
How white is white?

Is light olive tan, Greek, white?
Is a bit deeper olive tan, Holy Land area, white?

Compared to what?

A Zulu or a Scot with lineage from highland clans?
What's your basis of comparison?

Seems to be all relative, doesn't it?

PTT
17th Dec 2013, 17:54
I think Eddie Izzard gets exactly what she means...

Windy Militant
17th Dec 2013, 17:56
F:mad:g Blasphamy! every body knows that Santa's a Scotsman!
Santa's a Scotsman - YouTube ;)

chuks
17th Dec 2013, 18:23
I have visited the grave of Saint Nicholas.

It's in Turkey, so that I guess he must have been some sort of proto-Turk. He was pre-Islamic, though, and some sort or other of Xtian, so have no worries that he's coming down the chimney with a dagger in his teeth to sort out we kaffirs.

rgbrock1
17th Dec 2013, 18:31
Sorry to bust your bubble, chuks, but Santa ain't comin' down no damn chimney no more. Why not? Because I did him in a few years ago. See?

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/cannabis-com-lounge/43048d1135483061-well-there-goes-christmas-santa-murdered-dead-santa.jpg

SASless
17th Dec 2013, 18:34
As the American Liberals who are so exercised over her comments generally reject the notion of Jesus.....I am buggered to understand why they care what hue Ms. Kelly says he was.

As to Santa Claus.....he being an obese fellow who scarfs down tons of Cookies and other leavings each Year in a Binge Eating thing....again the Liberals amongst us would find him quite detestable for that along with his putting strings onto any giving he doles out to those with their greedy wee hands turned palm upward. Why that just flies in the face of how they think of social welfare. Not to mention his abuse of animals and the vertically challenged which surely earns their disgust.

I would think the Liberals would embrace anyone who makes mock of those two characters. Jesus, who believed in work-fare and paying taxes....surely would not garner any warm feelings by our Liberal friends.

Matari
17th Dec 2013, 18:48
Isn't the fat Santa that we know and love a concoction of the Coca Cola marketing department? Who says capitalists don't bring joy...even if it is in the form of an obese old dude who drinks cocaine infused sugar water and seems to spend an inordinate amount of time with 'little people.'

Now, the traditional St. Nick was a skinny fellow...well, not North Korean skinny but certainly not the chubby fellow we know today.

The Netherlands has skinny Sinterklaas, but don't mention Zwarte Piet to the liberals!

PTT
17th Dec 2013, 18:59
I am buggered to understand why they care what hue Ms. Kelly says he was.Because someone making such a fool of themselves in such a public forum is funny. It simply reinforces that what she says is unresearched and unprepared.
Isn't the fat Santa that we know an love a concoction of the CocaCola marketing departments?Apparently not, although they did help spread that view of him: snopes.com: Did Coca-Cola Invent the Modern Image of Santa Claus? (http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/santa/cocacola.asp)
Black Pete is ace, btw. I'm particularly loving the Hungarian Evil Santa, Krampus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krampus).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Gruss_vom_Krampus.jpg

probes
17th Dec 2013, 19:02
How white is white?
an extra good question. Someone I met some years ago totally puzzled me by saying: "I'm dark." - well, I just envied her tanned complexion :sad:...
Well, the world is mad anyway.

http://allfacebook.com/files/2011/12/Santa7.jpg

rgbrock1
17th Dec 2013, 19:04
PTT:

That is a terrifying and frightening picture of evil Santa. What IS he going to do with those poor kids? Were they so naughty as to deserve such punishment?

Evil Santa, as depicted, needs to be shot. A double-tap to the forehead comes to mind. :ok:

vulcanised
17th Dec 2013, 19:47
In Holland, Santa gives the kids a good kicking

UCUHTDrca4s

Dushan
17th Dec 2013, 22:38
Stupidity 1: On Slate (http://www.slate.com/articles/life/holidays/2013/12/santa_claus_an_old_white_man_not_anymore_meet_santa_the_peng uin_a_new_christmas.html) someone decides that a white Santa is exclusive of non-white children. The suggestion is that Santa should instead be a penguin. Yep, a penguin. Regardless of the fact that he is imaginary and it therefore really doesn't matter and regardless of the fact that how parents deal with this issue is up to them (and the fact that the author wasn't happy about how her parents dealt with it is, frankly, her problem), this person has decided that Santa must be a penguin.

Of course it is stupidity. Santa comes from the North Pole, penguins live on the South Pole. What do you expect from Slate.

SASless
18th Dec 2013, 00:10
I thought they lived in Convents?:eek:

cargosales
18th Dec 2013, 00:31
I would sooo love to see the likes of Ms Kelly coming up against a decent journalist prepared to take her to task about her comments...

Paxo vs Ms Kelly would be a mouthwatering encounter and, in deference to the Murdoch business model, one I'd happily pay to see. The outcome of such an encounter? About 7-1 to Mr Paxman is my best guess.

CS

ruddman
18th Dec 2013, 00:49
I would love to see her verfication that said son of god was a historical figure


She doesn't have to. Already been proven. But if you've got evidence otherwise, love to hear it.

SASless
18th Dec 2013, 03:00
He sure ain't contemporary now is he?:ugh:

PTT
18th Dec 2013, 08:50
I would love to see her verfication that said son of god was a historical figureShe doesn't have to. Already been proven. But if you've got evidence otherwise, love to hear it.I don't think it has. It may well be accepted (for differing values of accepted) that a historical figure called Jesus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus) existed at around that time, but if you have any proof that this figure was the son of God then there are a whole lot of people who would love to see it, me included...

ExXB
18th Dec 2013, 09:14
From that Snopes story:

All this isn't to say that Coca-Cola didn't have anything to do with cementing the modern image of Santa Claus in the public consciousness. Coke's annual advertisements featuring Sundblom-drawn Santas holding bottles of Coca-Cola, drinking Coca-Cola, receiving Coca-Cola as gifts, and enjoying Coca-Cola became a perennial Christmastime feature which helped spur Coca-Cola sales throughout the winter (and produced the bonus effect of appealing quite strongly to children, an important segment of the soft drink market). In an era before the advent of television, before color motion pictures became common, and before the widespread use of color in newspapers, Coca-Cola's magazine advertisements, billboards, and point-of-sale store displays were for many Americans their primary exposure to the modern Santa Claus image.
Read more at snopes.com: Did Coca-Cola Invent the Modern Image of Santa Claus? (http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/santa/cocacola.asp#R27uwyWMTZSD1C6l.99)

Tankertrashnav
18th Dec 2013, 09:19
As to Santa Claus.....he being an obese fellow who scarfs down tons of Cookies


Over here he's fed on mince pies and sherry. Wonder what he has to eat in other countries?

SASless
18th Dec 2013, 12:05
Kinda explains why he is a merry old cuss don't it!

pigboat
18th Dec 2013, 16:42
I wonder what Ms. Kelly would say if she finally realized that Jesus was not a white man but a dark-skinned Jew?

I'd love to see the Mel Brooks remake of The Nativity Story.
"The Messiah is ..." cheers, roars, whistles...
"What did he say?"
"Rivvid! I said the Messiah is..." cheers, roars, whistles, foot stomping...
"WHAT DID HE SAY?"
"He said the Messiah is near." :p

obgraham
18th Dec 2013, 17:04
You lefties need to suck the spittle back into your mouths and think a little bit more. Sometimes your hatred for everything FoxNewsian shows:

Lots of folks consider there are three major racial groupings (of course with "subdivisions"). Caucasian, i.e. "white; Asian; and African, i.e. "black".

Now, considering that JC, historical or not, was a Semite, Arab, or Jew, just which of the 3 above would you put him into? There's no evidence he was African, and he certainly wasn't Chinese. That leaves "White".

As for Santa, as pointed out, largely a construct of 19th century European Dickensian ideas, plus 20th century advertising. Also "White".

Dushan
18th Dec 2013, 17:11
obgraham, so un-PC:=

rgbrock1
18th Dec 2013, 17:16
Lots of folks consider there are three major racial groupings (of course with "subdivisions"). Caucasian, i.e. "white; Asian; and African, i.e. "black".That is truly an oversimplification of a very complex matter. (Notwithstanding the fact you omitted Hispanic/Latino as a race which is neither white nor black.)

*Edited to add: I stand corrected. Hispanic/Latino is indeed not a race but an ethnicity. My bad. However, my stance on the oversimplification stands.

Dushan
18th Dec 2013, 17:25
Not a race RGB...

There are only 3


Caucasian races (Aryans, Hamites, Semites)
Mongolian races (northern Mongolian, Chinese and Indo-Chinese, Japanese and Korean, Tibetan, Malayan, Polynesian, Maori, Micronesian, Eskimo, American Indian),
Negroid races (African, Hottentots, Melanesians/Papua, “Negrito”, Australian Aborigine, Dravidians, Sinhalese)

rgbrock1
18th Dec 2013, 17:34
Dushan:

You forget the 4th race: Australoid.

Also, do keep in mind that there is no universally accepted classification for race with many nations referencing "ethnic groups." (Of which there are slightly more than 5,000 of on earth.) Then again, just what is a "race"?

tony draper
18th Dec 2013, 18:24
Then there are we folks from Atlantis.:rolleyes:

PTT
18th Dec 2013, 18:33
Lots of folks consider there are three major racial groupings (of course with "subdivisions"). Caucasian, i.e. "white; Asian; and African, i.e. "black".

Now, considering that JC, historical or not, was a Semite, Arab, or Jew, just which of the 3 above would you put him into? There's no evidence he was African, and he certainly wasn't Chinese. That leaves "White".Ooh, a false trichotomy based on a revisionist version of Ms Kelly's words (assumption that she was talking about race rather than ethnicity), belied by the fact that she released a statement (as I previously posted (http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/530128-jesus-white-man-santa-penguin.html#post8212287)) which showed her own doubt on the matter after the fact: if she had known about the makeup of the three races then she would have clarified in that sense rather than doubting what she said. You and I both know she meant white in the same way as Eddie Izzard used it, ethnicity, so stop being an apologist for the stupid, which she most certainly is.

rgbrock1
18th Dec 2013, 18:36
Tony D.

And then there are folks from the Moon. They're called Luna-tics.

OFSO
18th Dec 2013, 18:36
Then there are we folks from Atlantis

Keep taking the medication, Mr D. I'm on home-made limoncello this week.

rgbrock1
18th Dec 2013, 18:46
OFSO:

Limoncello? Ghastly stuff that. Drank it once with a friend of mine in Naples.
After having drank it the effect was to cause me to consider biting the heads off little song birds. Blech. :yuk:

OFSO
18th Dec 2013, 19:43
Mrs OFSO made it a few weeks ago. Much better than my home-made chile-peppers-marinated-in-vodka, which is undrinkable. Good for massaging cows that won't or can't climb out of ditches though. (Anyone from the Emerald Isle will understand).

rgbrock1
18th Dec 2013, 19:46
chili peppers marinated in vodka, OFSO? Limoncello? You must have a gut like a rock. Dude!

OFSO
18th Dec 2013, 20:20
Ah well now. In the old country we'd stuff towels in the cracks around the garage door to keep the smell getting out - notwithstanding, half an hour after the fire was lit and the dish put on, they'd be a little boy standing outside with a jar saying "me dad says could you spare a wee drop of that phoitin for the aud cow's fallen into the ditch again and it's just grand for getting her out". This excuse was so often heard in magistrates court that the senior beak would look at the name of the next miscreant to come up before him, sigh and say "the aud cow fallen in the ditch again, O'Connelly ?"

I have heard that distilling the drink is now legal which gives the Guardia something else to occupy themselves with.

And that's what me pepper-vodka is good for - also good for getting the arthritis out of the thighs, or so the wise woman in the next village says. Also good against the sore throat, or at least, you don't know if you've a sore throat or not after a drop or two.

Windy Militant
18th Dec 2013, 22:32
Then there are we folks from Atlantis

That explains the blue skin and egg shaped lump on your forehead then Mr D*;)

*one for Eagle readers!

tony draper
18th Dec 2013, 22:53
Yer and we can breath underwater,I seen it on the telly.:)

SASless
18th Dec 2013, 23:38
This time of the year (Winter)....I prefer my Red Hot Homemade.....the Moonshine what comes with all those wee Red Hot Cinnamon candies melted down and cooked into the Shine!

The Ladies like the Apple Pie version.....which comes marked "PD" by my source.

When quizzed how Apple Pie got marked PD instead of AP.....he smiled and noted...."Panty Dropper"!

Dang if he wasn't right too!:ok:

pigboat
19th Dec 2013, 00:16
SAS that stuff sounds like PRP, aka panty remover punch. I think the original recipe was called Fish House Punch and was from either Georgia or South Carolina, it's been awhile. Pow'ful stuff. :D

ricardian
19th Dec 2013, 02:14
Speaking of penguins...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1479012_773094536037574_1831904472_n.jpg

obgraham
19th Dec 2013, 02:46
PTT:

Please peruse the posting of Dushan, who obviously has explored the terminology in greater detail than I, but comes to the same conclusion.

Until harangued by the PC posse which you are the apologist for, Kelly never suggested, nor have I, that the discussion involved ethnicity. Strictly "race".

And it appears, as is so often the case with those who denigrate the opinions of their "lessers", that you just can't handle the truth! Santa is White. Get over it. So was JC. (And for that matter so was Hitler, Savanarola, and Sulieman the Magnificent).

arcniz
19th Dec 2013, 03:07
YOU saggy transient bags of molecule soup sure presume a lot! Likely were simpler and more right if dog had stopped at the diatoms.

PTT
19th Dec 2013, 05:59
Until harangued by the PC posse which you are the apologist for, Kelly never suggested, nor have I, that the discussion involved ethnicity. Strictly "race".Rubbish. Read her statement: she clearly had no idea what she meant and was called on it. Had she not released that statement there would be wiggle room; with it there is none.
And it appears, as is so often the case with those who denigrate the opinions of their "lessers", that you just can't handle the truth! Santa is White. Get over it. So was JC. (And for that matter so was Hitler, Savanarola, and Sulieman the Magnificent).I hate to break it to you, but Santa is imaginary, and so is the son of god ;)
Caucasian != white.

RedhillPhil
19th Dec 2013, 09:56
I quite liked this...........


NORAD fighter escort for Santa: Saint Nick can avoid threats in his own. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/12/05/norad_fighter_escort_for_santa_saint_nick_can_avoid_threats_ in_his_own.html)