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nomorecatering
11th Dec 2013, 06:36
As somber occasion the memorial for nelson Mandela was, the choice of MC has proved to be a masterstroke. Warm, engaging and witty.

However the highlight which had our entire household in stitches was when a female bureaucrat was trying to give a speech and the crowds behind the podium were creating quite a ruckus with their singing etc, the MC stepps in, tries to quieten down the crowd then whispers to her in a real black African voice " hope dis helps". Unfortunately the mic picked it up clearly.

Overall, I though the service was noisy, chaotic, joyful and sombre. Sumed up the South African spirit precisely.

Glad I was able to watch it.

Krystal n chips
11th Dec 2013, 06:55
The lighter side of the event......the almost unprecedented number of caption competition opportunities offered by having so many of the "great and the good"....all shaking hands with each other.....whilst happily continuing their mutual detestation.....along with the glorious "this is me with a blonde taken at some do in South Africa" shots....for the family album of course.....and the "celebs" for whom if was just another self-publicising day out........all told, manna from heaven you might say.....:E

Hydromet
11th Dec 2013, 09:15
I liked the pic of Barak Obama with the Danish PM Helle Thorning-Schmidt (http://www.ibtimes.com/who-helle-thorning-schmidt-obama-selfie-taker-denmarks-prime-minister-1503982), obviously getting on well, with Michelle behind hime giving Helle the death stare.

racedo
11th Dec 2013, 11:22
http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/529596-coldest-spot-earth-jbers-will-disagree.html

A new Coldest spot on earth was Michelle after that.

Sallyann1234
11th Dec 2013, 11:32
I did enjoy the brief shot of A. Blair sitting all alone in a corner, looking distinctly unloved.

sitigeltfel
11th Dec 2013, 12:03
Waving to his mum? (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/10510455/Nelson-Mandela-memorial-interpreter-was-a-fake.html)

OFSO
11th Dec 2013, 15:32
Surprised Margaret Thatcher didn't attend, really.

rgbrock1
11th Dec 2013, 15:39
Sallyann wrote:

I did enjoy the brief shot of A. Blair sitting all alone in a corner, looking distinctly unloved.

Yes, I saw that as well. I thought he had just farted and everyone cleared the area. But seeing that he was sitting alone for quite some time either he let a real smelly one rip OR he truly is unloved!

llondel
11th Dec 2013, 15:45
Surprised Margaret Thatcher didn't attend, really.

How do you know she wasn't there, at least in spirit?

Lonewolf_50
11th Dec 2013, 16:03
My favorite bit was the fake sign language interpreter behind him.
Suitable outrage has since exploded all over "the er of twit" as expected ...
You can't make this stuff up.

Doodlebug
11th Dec 2013, 16:09
Friend of mine told me about this sign-language chap ruckus. She says that apparently while Obama was speaking nothing the signer was signing made sense. Isn't that entirely to be expected?

lomapaseo
11th Dec 2013, 16:32
http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2013/December/131211/2D9899679-2D9897454-today-obama-selfie-131210.blocks_desktop_medium.jpg


Helle, see that tiny icon in the corner of the screen

That's the NSA logo

cuefaye
11th Dec 2013, 16:43
Leaders? Statesmen/women?


Cretins

Low Flier
11th Dec 2013, 17:01
They're a very jealous couple

http://s18.postimg.org/asqkhnn8p/Sjalu.jpg

dfdasein
11th Dec 2013, 20:47
The Mandela Memorial gathering was shameful.

Repeated appeals to the crowd for discipline and silence during speeches, by Ramaphosa and even Tutu. Late start; poor attendance; crowd leave during proceedings. Zuma repeatedly booed. And now the airwaves are buzzing with the revelation that the interpreter for the deaf during the speeches was signing "gibberish". Seems like he may have been a phoney! I have just watched a genuine deaf interpreter on Channel 4 News reveal that the man's sign language made little sense.

World leaders revealing their narcissism: some taking a "selfie" picture.

One British newspaper called the event a "shambolic disgrace".

Mandela would have been appalled.

BigEndBob
11th Dec 2013, 21:45
So what were you expecting..Live Aid?
Its SA!

lomapaseo
12th Dec 2013, 03:35
The Mandela Memorial gathering was shameful.

Repeated appeals to the crowd for discipline and silence during speeches, by Ramaphosa and even Tutu. Late start; poor attendance; crowd leave during proceedings. Zuma repeatedly booed. And now the airwaves are buzzing with the revelation that the interpreter for the deaf during the speeches was signing "gibberish". Seems like he may have been a phoney! I have just watched a genuine deaf interpreter on Channel 4 News reveal that the man's sign language made little sense.

World leaders revealing their narcissism: some taking a "selfie" picture.

One British newspaper called the event a "shambolic disgrace".


If you intend to broadcast such a memorial, you have got to cut the speeches way back to less speakers and shorter speeches. The visible, crowd can't stand still long enough to put up with it.

Better to have singing and music interludes and some big screen TVs to capture the audiences attention to a life history.


I can't even put up with the TV news time devoted to it here in the US, but for a funeral like for princess Diana I was glued to the TV the whole time.

cavortingcheetah
12th Dec 2013, 06:24
The deaf and dumb interloper was Julius Malema's shadow minister of communications signing on behalf of his new party, the Economic Freedom Fighters. (EFF).

ArthurR
12th Dec 2013, 06:37
the airwaves are buzzing with the revelation that the interpreter for the deaf during the speeches was signing "gibberish". Seems like he may have been a phoney!

Seems very appropriate to me.

probes
12th Dec 2013, 07:21
But the best quote about the fake bloke probably is
The government is investigating.
so - there was a man 'interpreting' in broad daylight, someone asked him to be there and paid for it, and government investigation is needed to find out who he was. Oh my. Considering the security with all the world leaders and all.
Btw, no-one could interpret anything into any language with suck lack of focus on their face and eyes. What on Earth was he thinking? :confused: (before going there, I mean.)

sitigeltfel
12th Dec 2013, 07:23
I know nothing of sign language, but when I saw that guy waving his hands it just didn't look right. He was using the same gestures for different words and phrases.
Maybe it was semaphore without the flags.:rolleyes:

cavortingcheetah
12th Dec 2013, 07:26
All quite appropriate perhaps given the speeches on display.

dfdasein
12th Dec 2013, 08:26
The interpreter has claimed that he had an attack of schizophrenia; heard voices during his appearance.

bnt
12th Dec 2013, 08:38
BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25345262):
His performance was watched on television by millions of people worldwide.
But he said that during the event, he lost concentration because of voices in his head.
"There was nothing I could do. I was alone in a very dangerous situation," Mr Jantjie told Johannesburg's Star newspaper.
"I tried to control myself and not show the world what was going on. I am very sorry. It's the situation I found myself in."

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=284190&d=1386773280

maliyahsdad2
12th Dec 2013, 08:51
He was hearing voices, isn't that the idea? ;)

sitigeltfel
12th Dec 2013, 09:14
Matt cartoon in the DT

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02763/121213-MATT-web_2763240a.jpg

Solid Rust Twotter
12th Dec 2013, 09:44
http://www.flyafrica.info/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4675&d=1386833074

ricardian
12th Dec 2013, 12:40
The owners of the firm which supplied a "fake" sign language interpreter to the Mandela memorial event have vanished, a South African minister has said. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-25345627)

27mm
12th Dec 2013, 13:41
Good job he wasn't a suicide bomber......:cool:

dead_pan
12th Dec 2013, 14:00
Wot a nob. He should have 'fessed up and said he was a complete and utter fraud, rather than give us all this guff about a schizophrenic attack. People would have respected him for that :E

sitigeltfel
12th Dec 2013, 17:12
Lifted from another forum.........

Settled down to watch Obama at the Mandela gig with my deaf wife the other day.

Apparently, Space Shuttle Atlantis is due to have a baby next buffalo.

rgbrock1
12th Dec 2013, 17:22
It is becoming more and more apparent that the signer in question was indeed a fraud. Many South African organizations dealing with the deaf have disavowed any knowledge of him and have duly labeled him a fake. One quote by a deaf South African who watched the memorial service had the fake signer "saying" - "My ears hurt next to the shovel."

So this begs a different question. Who the hell was responsible for vetting a man who stood next to every head of state practically known to man? This was a security breach of the first order. Wow.

dead_pan
12th Dec 2013, 17:55
Well I suppose he didn't exactly look like a steely-eyed terrorist. More a complete buffoon way above his pay-grade.

I bet some serious questions are being asked of all those security details present at the event. Shirley one of them must be able to sign?

Solid Rust Twotter
12th Dec 2013, 19:44
The US Secret Service must be having conniptions knowing this turkey was having a schizo meltdown right next to ol' Barry. I'm guessing there'll be some blood letting when the after action report is submitted.:}

B Fraser
12th Dec 2013, 20:30
Thanks Gob,

I learned how to sign 35 years ago and finally I've put it to good use :D

Loose rivets
12th Dec 2013, 21:51
Well, Michelle doesn't think it's funny:


BBC News - Sex and racism in Obama photo stir (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-25355881)



I want people to yuck it up at my funeral. That's if I have one.

sitigeltfel
12th Dec 2013, 22:24
Racial bias, particularly the characterisation of Ms Obama as a woman scorned, drove media reaction to the selfie, writes (http://www.salon.com/2013/12/10/the_medias_michelle_obama_problem_what_a_selfie_says_about_o ur_biases/) Salon's Roxane Gay:

More than anything, the response to these latest images of Michelle Obama speaks volumes about the expectations placed on black women in the public eye and how a black women's default emotional state is perceived as angry. The black woman is ever at the ready to aggressively defend her territory. She is making her disapproval known. She never gets to simply be.
Man laughs with another woman while said mans wife looks on in the background........and this Roxane Gay decides that comment on this incident is racially charged.

I have no idea who this woman is but I presume she makes a living by hanging her own prejudices onto the backs of others.

BenThere
13th Dec 2013, 02:31
I think Mandela was a fighter for a cause and, like Martin Luther King, Jr., was doing the right thing, on the whole.

I'm a bit troubled, though, by the spectacles we have created, so that no one can celebrate them enough, lest they be considered racist. It's a touchy subject, isn't it?

Solid Rust Twotter
13th Dec 2013, 18:11
The gift that keeps on giving.

EXCLUSIVE: Mandela deaf interpreter accused of murder | eNCA (http://www.enca.com/south-africa/interpreter)

Those Treasury agents must be shitting Dannert wire.:}

rgbrock1
13th Dec 2013, 18:14
SRT:

I've also read that the interpreter was up on rape charges at some point in the past as well.

What a class act and all around great guy.

And, yup, I'm sure that several Secret Service agents are receiving their pink slip Christmas gift right about now. the gift that keeps on givin'.

Capetonian
13th Dec 2013, 18:22
Rather than finding it funny, I find that it sums up everything that is so tragically wrong with the government under Zuma. It is incompetent, corrupt, dishonest, and inefficient. Talk about not being able to organise a piss-up at a brewery, they can't even organise a sign language interpreter at what should be a dignified and important event attended by global leaders.

They have now denied that this man has any criminal charges. Typically, we are now in a situation where nobody knows what or whom to believe.

While Nelson Mandela lies in state, Jacob Zuma lies to the state.

bnt
13th Dec 2013, 19:46
This makes more sense than the reality:
http://omg.wthax.org/5uLYaJ.gif

pigboat
14th Dec 2013, 01:42
From the National Review Online.

Funeral Spice. (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/366289/funeral-spice-mark-steyn)

BenThere
14th Dec 2013, 02:07
South Africa, I'm afraid, is just like Zimbabwe. It just has further to fall, and the motion of it all is slower. The end, though, is not in doubt - squalor.

The irony is that black South Africans, even under apartheid, had the highest standard of living of all black Africans if I'm not mistaken. It's not so high now, but I think their freedom is worth what I hope is a short term sacrifice, and is more than worth the turmoil of getting over the resentment of oppression.

Zimbabwe under Mugabe destroyed the prosperity White Rhodesians had built. South Africa has been, from my vantage, generally pursuing the same course, unfortunately, under ANC.