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haughtney1
6th Dec 2013, 14:19
The title is a bit misleading, but for the moment that is what we are looking for:ok:
Presently, every summer (for approx 3 months) the wx where we live is just unbearably hot (45-50C) so that requires the missus and the 2 young financial drains to leave our locality to pastures cooler.
For past several years that exodus has been to the southern hemisphere (New Zealand or Australia) to stay with Grandparents etc etc. Now whilst this is lovely, it is also unsustainable given that the Grandparents are close to expiration.
With most of our family ties likely to be "throwing off this mortal coil" in the near future we been searching high and low for a suitable locale to take the kids for the summer that could also double as a potential residence when my current assignment loses it's appeal.
So far we have narrowed down our search to the UK (mostly for practical reasons and the fact we currently own other property there) specifically north of about Leeds, and perhaps as far north as Durham.
We are essentially looking for a 4-5 bedroom property, with a bit of land or a nice mature garden.
I know it sounds vague, but as we know the area..but not intimately I was hoping the legions of PPruners with personal experience and expertise might be able to offer some advice of this area..budget well, no more than 400/450.
Over to you lot..and thanks

Lightning Mate
6th Dec 2013, 14:20
Cleethorpes. :E

Lightning Mate
6th Dec 2013, 14:21
Seriously though, look at Bournemouth.

I love living here.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
6th Dec 2013, 14:25
I lived here for 4 years back in the early 90's. Delightful in summer.
54.227887,-1.929147

This the kind of place you are looking for?
4 bedroom semi-detached house for sale in West Burton, near Leyburn, DL8 (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-27255531.html)

How old are the kids?

superq7
6th Dec 2013, 14:25
Property is cheap in Liverpool try the Toxteth area :E

Airey Belvoir
6th Dec 2013, 14:33
LM http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif.................

Lightning Mate
6th Dec 2013, 14:35
Do you mean Cleethorpes or Bournemouth ?

haughtney1
6th Dec 2013, 14:36
Fox 3, yep....somthing like that :ok:

Lightining, used to live nearbyish and our property we own is in Hants, so whilst I get your drift, Bournemouth isn't for us, if we wanted the seaside we would go somewhere like here (http://www.trademe.co.nz/property/residential-property-for-sale/auction-655564663.htm)

SuperQ...? My missus is from near scouseville...so no thanks :}

Airey Belvoir
6th Dec 2013, 14:38
Cleethorpes http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/badteeth.gif ............

Airey Belvoir
6th Dec 2013, 14:42
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c92/allan907/WOE1_zpscc6018f7.jpg (http://=http://s25.photobucket.com/user/allan907/media/WOE1_zpscc6018f7.jpg.html]http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c92/allan907/WOE1_zpscc6018f7.jpg)


Such a delightful and cultural spot http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/badteeth.gif

dead_pan
6th Dec 2013, 14:59
So far we have narrowed down our search to the UK (mostly for practical reasons and the fact we currently own other property there) specifically north of about Leeds, and perhaps as far north as Durham.

Sorry, you've lost me there - you want to live north of Leeds? On my map anywhere north of Watford is marked "here be dragons".

Not sure I agree with LM's pitch for Bournemouth. Seems intermittently rammed with foreign students, stag parties and chav day-trippers, not to mention the legions of oldies. Still, each to their own.

haughtney1
6th Dec 2013, 15:05
Sorry, you've lost me there - you want to live north of Leeds? On my map anywhere north of Watford is marked "here be dragons".

You mean north of the A406 don't you? There ARE Dragons in Watford....

Seriously though, I don't want to go back to UK to live down south...

G-CPTN
6th Dec 2013, 15:33
Prices in the North-East are very variable depending on location (from giveaway prices in single figures - yes, really, less than 10 - though in desperate need of TLC - to multi-million pound mansions favoured by footballers and the like).

First of all decide whether you want city living or prefer to be out in the sticks (probably without public transport).
Then consider what education arrangements you want for your children (including whether you want them to grow up in a town - good and bad influences abound) and choose possible locations accordingly.

Next, arrange somewhere to stay (B&B type accommodation) for several days or a couple of weeks and get opinion from people who actually live there about the good and bad localities (it can vary greatly within a few miles).

For example, there are deeply depressed unemployment spots around Teesside (http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/local-news/cases-depression-soar-across-teesside-3685984) as well as the Wynyard Estate at Billingham (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/Wynyard-Estate.html) where houses cost millions.

You might want to consider living on (or near) the coast (storm surges and coastal erosion permitting) or deep in the Yorkshire Dales or in wild (and beautiful) Northumberland.

Again, in Northumberland there are desirable locations and undesirable locations (that only considered local knowledge would identify).

If you want proximity to an airport that handles LoCo flights then Newcastle is a good bet and there is every possible range of accommodation within easy reach - Darras Hall (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/Darras-Hall.html) for 'executive' living or the towns to the east for cheap living. There are several 'moderate' and extremely pleasant towns a little further inland and to the north.
Durham Tees-Valley airport (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tees-24937231) seems to be in the throws of self-destructing.

Durham City has pleasant housing whilst the old mining villages further out are struggling to survive.

As you probably know, Yorkshire has good areas and properties with extensive surrounding land exist as well as cities like Leeds.

Make a list of your wants and also your musts and then perform a Kepner-Tregoe decision analysis once you have collected facts about each region before narrowing your area to identify the pockets of good and bad places.

Will any members of your family want employment? Further education?

Places like Newcastle (one that I know) offer universities, pubs and nightclubs. I imagine Leeds is also well-served.

G&T ice n slice
6th Dec 2013, 15:55
do you mean something like this?

5 bedroom detached house for sale in Frizington, CA26, CA26 (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-40179541.html?premiumA=true)

Trust me, this area is a lot cooler than 40 degrees in summer.

Sometimes we even see the sun....

After 25 years the locals will start to ignore you, rather than hissing & holding up the forearms in a cross to ward off evil spirits.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
6th Dec 2013, 16:10
G&T has a point about climate. Each Yorkshire Dale has its own microclimate, which can vary a lot even within the Dale, and it is well worth checking with the locals. About once a year, the rain would stop exactly halfway across my house, as the locals had told me it would, which meant choosing the correct door to exit.
The eastern side of the Pennines is generally a lot sunnier. Google Ian Botham. His house is in a real suntrap.

Durham itself is lovely in the summer (I went to Uni there).

The SSK
6th Dec 2013, 16:40
5 bedroom detached house for sale in Frizington, CA26, CA26

He can't afford it. Didn't you see his budget?

tow1709
6th Dec 2013, 16:54
I don't think OP wants to buy a house, but to rent one.


I think the 400/450 means GBP/week rent, not thousands of pounds to purchase.

haughtney1
6th Dec 2013, 17:03
don't think OP wants to buy a house, but to rent one.


I think the 400/450 means GBP/week rent, not thousands of pounds to purchase.

Niet, purchase, 400-450,000. The place in Frizington looks too spooky for me :eek:

tow1709
6th Dec 2013, 17:08
Sorry Haughtney - misunderstood!

G-CPTN
6th Dec 2013, 17:15
5 bedroom detached house for sale in Frizington, CA26, CA26

He can't afford it. Didn't you see his budget?

The ball-park figure quoted by the Agent is just that and not necessarily a fixed price. Of course you also have to budget for fees and taxes such as stamp duty.

The figure quoted (400/450K) seems eminently reasonable for the target property (in the right place) within the area favoured. I included examples of more expensive property areas to illustrate the range of properties available from cheap terrace houses in inner-urban areas through country properties of all classes and prices to high price dwellings favoured by footballers.

bcgallacher
6th Dec 2013, 18:04
Why not have a look at Scotland - 450,000 will buy a hell of a lot more than in England and there are some very nice areas to live. Lots of open spaces,easy access to Edinburgh and Glasgow,few traffic problems etc.

racedo
6th Dec 2013, 18:18
He can't afford it. Didn't you see his budget?

OP download PropertyBee which sits on top of Rightmove or other property sites and can show how long property has been on market, changes in description and price.

On house shown it went on market on 7th August.

racedo
6th Dec 2013, 18:22
Estate Agent friend long time ago stated that if not embarassed about offering so little on 1st offer then offering too much. Reckoned 80% is a good start, 75% even more so as can negotiate up easily down is harder and it sets a low floor in sellers mind.

Loose rivets
6th Dec 2013, 20:53
5 bedroom detached house for sale in Frizington, CA26, CA26


Mmmm . . . location can only truly be assessed by being there - several times. That house is a classic example of how nice you can make a very modest house. Or, how you can take a modest house, and make it very nice. There's a subtle difference.

I'd spend my time there wondering what was under all that niceness. The very fabric of that building would not have been particularly fine.

In my old town, (I know you don't want to be down south) there are, or were a few houses around the four-fifty mark. They were built between the wars and the specification of the build takes up pages of stringent stipulations - like, mixing red lead and gold size in with the window putty. Not introducing the water into the mortar without a rose. The precise wood types for the rafters v the joists, and the type of wood used for pinning joints, if that is a factor.

I was once loaned three boxes of the original plans for some of the houses I was looking at. I spent many, many hours feasting my eyes on the lovely colour-washed drawings and the build detail. Chalk and cheese. No comparison on what you actually get for your money - if that kind of awareness of quality rings your bells.

G-CPTN
6th Dec 2013, 21:42
With energy prices escalating (and likely to continue to do so for at least a decade due to successive governments' intransigence over replacement power stations) you should ask yourself if you want a draughty Victorian (or older) mansion that costs a fortune to heat or a modern well-insulated building. I've seen what they put into the floors of new-builds and don't forget that anything approaching 100 years old will have solid walls that can't have cavity insulation added - and no damp-course so it will probably have damp ingrained in the fabric.

Be warned that listed buildings (as delightful as they might be) are limited as to what modern features are permitted (almost certainly no double glazing allowed).

There's a lot to be said for planning for the future (and your retirement) and minimising the outgoings.

racedo
6th Dec 2013, 21:52
There's a lot to be said for planning for the future (and your retirement) and minimising the outgoings.

Lot to be said for that as friends moved into brand new house 2 years ago and its so well insulated that their energy bills are half mine.

DX Wombat
7th Dec 2013, 00:43
West of Leeds, but a delightful area is Lothersdale. It's a beautiful, quiet, hidden dale but near enough to all amenities and I would love to live there but can't afford it. Have a look here (http://www.zoopla.co.uk/for-sale/houses/lothersdale/?gclid=CNi309LvnLsCFfHMtAodKUMA8g&plid=&match=e&kword=houses+for+sale+lothersdale) for an idea of what is available and the cost.
Note for Mods - this is an area general site for many estate agents not just a single one.

haughtney1
7th Dec 2013, 05:31
Thanks all, the trouble and strife is impressed thus far, and without sounding lazy and ungrateful....keep em coming thanks :ok:

G&T ice n slice
7th Dec 2013, 07:36
Here's one that is a bit "interesting"

5 bedroom house for sale in Scremerston, Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland, TD15 (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-41869265.html?premiumA=true)


then what about (needs a bit of work...)
5 bedroom detached house for sale in Church Of All Saints, Duddo, Berwick Upon Tweed, Northumberland, TD15 (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-28617690.html)

and then there's real rural living (eventually)
5 bedroom barn conversion for sale in Low Cocklaw, Berwick-Upon-Tweed, TD15, TD15 (http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-41825359.html)

Lon More
7th Dec 2013, 07:38
Harwich, for the Continent.
Frinton, for the Incontinent.