Ferry Pilot jobs/careers

[theplanegeek]

Hi there,


I'm doing my PPL at the moment (only on 5 hours) and I'm just starting to look into differents careers as a pilot, such as commercial pilot etc and now I'm looking at a ferry pilot by being inspired by a documentary on them. Just wondering how I might become a ferry pilot and what the requirements are? Also can you be one with a PPL.

[debiassi]

Hey Ben, looks like you didn't get too many takers.
Let me try to assist you.
Realistically to become a viable risk to the insurance companies, you would need to have the following.


Commercial Pilots License
Instrument Rating
1000hrs PIC
A Minimum Of 5 Oceanic Crossings
Oceanic RNP Logbook Endorsement
RNP1/2 Logbook Endorsement
PRNAV/BRNAV Logbook Endorsement
Icing Logbook Endorsement
RVSM/MNPS (Type Dependent)
Mountain Endorsement
Icing Endorsement
High Performance Endorsement
High Altitude Endorsement

A fair amount of the above logbook endorsements can be purchased as online completion bundles at relatively sensible money.


It would also be advisable to have both EASA and FAA licenses otherwise a large amount of applications for foreign verifications would be needed.


The insurers prerequisites are stringent and for very good reason.
This is not something that is attainable for rookie pilots looking for a quick way to build hours.
This is some of the most unforgiving and challenging flying over inhospitable terrain with no help usually within hundreds of miles.
If a ferry pilot makes a bad decision, they may end up paying the ultimate price.
Certainly not a career to undertake lightly but their is of course the other side of the coin and you will see some of the most breathtaking sites known to any pilot and of course join an elite group.

[OhNoCB]

I agree with the CPL, the IR, the hours for insurance and the oceanic crossings for similar reasons (assuming you are looking to do it seriously and do the trans oceanic stuff). A lot of the endorsements I would say are more dependent on what exactly you are doing. If you get a job ferrying particularly equipped aircraft for a particular company then some of them I might agree with, but for more ad hoc ferrying I wouldn't say you would need them all, and quite a few can be exempted from for unique flights. I have to admit I have never heard of an icing endorsement or BRNAV endorsements, can you tell me more? I fly an BRNAV FIKI aircraft and while it is true that the aircraft is endorsed as such, I have nothing in my logbook to show for it. Anyway.

Just to raise one more point, the question of whether it can be done with a PPL has caused arguments in the past, but it can be answered quite simply if you ask yourself do you want to earn money? If you do, then you are legally required to hold a CPL at least for this type of flying.

[grounded27]

Not from personal experience, just knowing the few who do. They are usually old folks who have more hours than most can dream of and can do nothing else but fly part 91 from my US experience. One old guy I knew did the rest of his time flying B-17 etc: when he was not flying act out of our MRO at the time.

[debiassi]

I have to admit I have never heard of an icing endorsement or BRNAV endorsements, can you tell me more? I fly an BRNAV FIKI aircraft and while it is true that the aircraft is endorsed as such, I have nothing in my logbook to show for it. Anyway.

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And there is the second.
Just because you havent heard of it, doesnt mean it doesnt exist!!
You would be surprised what some insurers ask for prior to issuing cover.
You can bet if they are requesting it, then if there was ever the need of a claim, and you didnt have it, then my take is they would use that lack of an item to try and wriggle out of the claim.
Fortunately I have never had to put it into practice but I personally feel its better to have more than you need and risk being over qualified.

[EARSA]

operating under Part 91K, Part 125 and Part 135.

So therefore this course is not required for a ferry pilot legally, as ferrying is none of the above. A nicety, maybe.

Also, P-RNAV probably won't be required as no puddle jumper has this capability. Many jets don't. B-RNAV seems the only relevant course. Let's not forget you need approvals, not just training, for P-RNAV, so a course on its own is worthless. As a ferry pilot, are you the holder of these approvals? P-RNAV I doubt it.

Also, if you say you need MNPS courses, you'd still need an approval to operate (LOA/Opspec under FAA etc) At NAT MNPS levels, you'd also need RVSM which you have not mentioned. All a bit unnecessary in my opinion for ferrying piston singles and twins. Worthwhile for TBM's, Malibus, JetProp DLX's and the like no doubt.

[Sam Rutherford]

We do ferry pilot training, always on the look out for good people wanting to be involved in this challenging but rewarding sector...

[B2N2]

We do ferry pilot training, always on the look out for good people wanting to be involved in this challenging but rewarding sector...

Ah the pay to fly as "second in command"....

[Sam Rutherford]

Not necessarily (though sometimes).

Mostly it's a combination on our group trips of:

Owner-pilot looking for some to help fly their aircraft (and pay their share of costs)
We spend time with them explaining the function of the crossing
We get to see who is good/effective/enthusiastic/capable/safe
We can add them to our database

So, yes, they pay for the experience but if they're good it's a win-win.

In any and all events, it's an incredible trip - regardless of whether they do more later or not.

[Intruder]

Owner-pilot looking for some to help fly their aircraft
Hmmm... I would expect that if someone was "looking for some help", he would be willing to PAY for that help, NOT be paid for it...

[Sam Rutherford]

Then your expectations would be incorrect! Lots of people want help flying their planes, and lots of people want to help fly them. Indeed, lots of people happy to pay their share of costs to fly them - the CAA even have legislation to cover this.

The short answer is that doing this is a great way for a non-owner to get some great flying for a fraction of what it normally costs.

If you don't like it, then no problem - but you'll miss out on these sorts of flights. At least the choice is there to be taken or left...

[Rick777]

Of course this all depends on where you live. I had a friend who used ferry flying to build time flying around the US. He worked for a major airline and so could travel free to get home or to the ferry plane.