Dozens of Newish CRJ-200 in Storage, What a Waste! Idea's?

[keesje]

Amazing how many of the modern smaller CRJs are in storage.
Canadair CRJ-200 Production List - Planespotters.net Just Aviation (http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Canadair/CRJ-100-Series/CRJ-200/?sort=status&dir=desc)

None of them even close to their maximum hours/cycles. What will happen to them? :confused:

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/3/7/4/2320473.jpg

Some of them can apparently be converted into real nice Business Aircraft:
https://www.modstore.aero/modifications/type(57)/Bombardier_CRJ700/modificationId(9550)/Bombardier%20CRJ%20Passenger%20to%20VIP%20conversions,%20Bus iness%20Aircraft%20Cabin

.. but what about the rest, Africa? Reno Air Racing? Scrapping ?! Now that would be a waste of modern good machinery & destruction of capital :sad:

[crewmeal]

Hardly money making machines for this day and age. They saw carriers like Duo and Maersk off and probably a few others. Whether anyone would want the expense of turning them into business/corporate jets who knows? personally I don't see a future for them.

[Dash8driver1312]

A Reno CRJ class? I'd pay good money to see that one!

[Gulfstreamaviator]

why not convert them into executive jets......


I claim my reward, and already have my hat...

[keesje]

You'll have to pull EGPWS.. crossed my mind seeing the dessert..

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/mt/flightglobalweb/blogs//aircraft-pictures/CRJ200large.jpg

GULFSTREAMAVIATOR, linked that in the opening post. I Found a cargo convrsion too. High performance, expensive cargo I assume..

https://www.modstore.aero/modifications/type(5)/Bombardier_CRJ200/modificationId(8519)/Conversion%20of%20full%20cabin%20class%20E%20Cargo%20Compart ment_70_%20Limitations_88_%20n_a_70__70__70__70_

[Gulfstreamaviator]

The conversion is actually very profitable, and provides a good corporate platform.


My system is so slow, I gave up waiting to see the picture, and thus skipped the reference below.


In the cargo version, is there a cargo door, or just a modified interior.???


Humble regrets at my total incompetence.

[keesje]

Ater becoming Modstore visitor member you can see Cascade owns the current freighter STC and did CRJ cargo modifications. Its a simple one using existing doors.
http://www.cascadeaerospace.com/images/stories/2012_CRJ100200-PF_brochure_LOW_RES_DEC_9_2013.pdf

Miami-based Aeronautical Engineers Inc is working on a cargo door that will become available in 2015..
Aging CRJs To Get P2F Conversions | Aviation International News (http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/2013-02-28/aging-crjs-get-p2f-conversions)

Wonder if it will become an freighter.

http://www.ainonline.com/sites/default/files/uploads/aei.jpg

[keesje]

Effective, efficient freighter I mean. Payload to become slightly less then 7 tonnes.

[DaveReidUK]

Amazing how many of the modern smaller CRJs are in storage. Nowadays, you can't even give away 50-seat jets like the CRJ1/CRJ2 - some of which are in fact more than 20 years old.

[742-xx]

As many have said before - what a waste.

[boeing_eng]

These are from the former Mesa fleet....

Relying on contacts from US Majors can be risky!

Mesa Airlines affected by changes to the network philosophy of US majors; Capacity cuts give better LFs (http://www.anna.aero/2013/05/30/mesa-airlines-affected-by-changes-to-the-network-philosophy-of-us-majors/)

[fdcg27]

If these really are low time low cycle aircraft they'll find another home.
The CASM of the fifty seat CRJ may not make sense as an airplane operating routes, but it can make sense as an airplane feeding traffic.
From our home airport, its ususally one of these or an ERJ as our first flight flying to a one stop connection to most of the world.
There are still plenty of these aircraft flying, some of which are pretty tired.
If these are fairly young aircraft, someone will snap them up.

[vctenderness]

What would be the initial cost of all of those in the original photo?

They are all in the colours of one airline so would think a costly change of heart!

[keesje]

What would be the initial cost of all of those in the original photo?

Around 2005 they costed above $25 million. I found them on satelite ( http://goo.gl/maps/V5606 ) it seems there are 37, close to a billion dollars,

None of these is from before 1997 (~737NG) according to the link on top.

[keesje]

Taking a quick look at the satellite photo there are 43 ERJ's (145?) too on that airfield.. http://goo.gl/maps/60pkm

Apparently the same story as the CRJ. They are narrower but still a usefull business jet alternative? Not that many options it seems.

https://www.modstore.aero/modifications/type(7)/Embraer%20_ERJ145/modificationId(9180)/Installation%20of%20a%20VIP%20meeting%20room%20on%20EMB-145%20Limitations_88_%20Aircraft_70__70__70_

RJs changed the business 1993 -2008 and now evaporate?

[DaveReidUK]

RJs changed the business 1993 -2008 and now evaporate?No, they just got bigger.

[grounded27]

Around 2005 they costed above $25 million. I found them on satelite ( http://goo.gl/maps/V5606 ) it seems there are 37, close to a billion dollars,

With that many in storage I would expect the price to be a fraction of what they were worth in 2005. I doubt Mesa sent the gems of their fleet to collect dust, probably high time in need of overhaul. Wonder if they are marketable to the large package freight companies. I heard Amazon was looking to ship their own freight, that would be a nice little start up. I question the feasibility of using the aircraft for corporate purposes, does it hold enough fuel to be competitive?

[keesje]

I question the feasibility of using the aircraft for corporate purposes, does it hold enough fuel to be competitive?


Its a big fuselage, its cheap even after VIP configuration and there are several STC's for extra fuel tanks giving it transcon / 3000NM range.
https://www.modstore.aero/modifications/type(5)/CRJ200?query=fuel

Of the aircraft on the Photo's many have been build after 2003 and are in storage for some time. Young.

RUAG / 328 Design also gained an STC for the conversions. Project Phoenix did it before, as did Fokker Services according to ModStore.

Once a United Express (Mesa Airlines) Canadair CL-600-2B19 Regional Jet CRJ-200ER, Now:

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/7/9/4/2285497.jpg

[DaveReidUK]

Its a big fuselage, its cheap even after VIP configuration and there are several STC's for extra fuel tanks giving it transcon / 30000NM range.I think you mean 3000 nm :O

[keesje]

Market for Auxiliary Fuel Systems

Pats is also seeing a resurgence in interest for CRJ auxiliary fuel systems, particularly as the hull values of -100 and -200 models drop concurrent with the need for major engine overhauls. Meanwhile, used market interest in the aircraft has accelerated, particularly in China, Russia and Eastern Europe. A Pats auxiliary fuel system can extend the range of those aircraft to 3,000 nm. “When you add the cost of acquiring the aircraft, the fuel system, a new interior and new paint, you are looking at eight to nine million dollars all up,” said John Eichten, Pats senior vice president of sales and marketing. “It’s a nice, nice airplane.” Pats has done three CRJ recompletions to date.“You can get a [CRJ] hull for two to three million dollars now,” said Hill.

Eichten said that PATS may look at CRJ-700s and -900s for recompletion as those aircraft become available.

Completions, Fuel Tanks Drive Pats | Aviation International News (http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/aviation-international-news/2013-08-03/completions-fuel-tanks-drive-pats)

[Dee747]

Taking a quick look at the satellite photo there are 43 ERJ's (145?) too on that airfield.. http://goo.gl/maps/60pkm


A closer look at some of these as from April 2013 -
070 KINGMAN, AZ | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jka380/8668248017/in/set-72157633299745090)

069 KINGMAN, AZ | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jka380/8669351776/in/set-72157633299745090/)

[keesje]

There are conversions for the ERJ135 / 145 according to Modstore.

https://www.modstore.aero/modifications/type(35)/Embraer%20_ERJ135/modificationId(8970)/Installation%20of%204%20Place%20Ambulance%20Stretcher%20Syst em_%20VIP%20interior_70_Description%20as_70__70__70_

but I wonder with CRJ beeing available and also cheap, if the cross section of the ERJ vs the CRJ (standing straight option) won't make VIP conversion of those ERJ's even harder.

http://www.aer.ita.br/~bmattos/mundo/images/ERJ145_crosssection.gif

Are maintenance / operating costs of the ERJ's significant lower?

[WHBM]

I think this lot have had a longer operational life than the DC-7s and L-1649s built in 1956-58 that were immediately overtaken by jets, and dumped.

Who knows, they may have been stood on the very ground in the desert where the RJs are now.

[phiggsbroadband]

Just spotted a CRJ-100 on Flightradar24 going from Minsk to Berlin..


http://img.planespotters.net/photo/395000/original/EW-100PJ-Belavia-Canadair-CRJ-100_PlanespottersNet_395919.jpg




Is there any software that can calculate the efficiencies of running certain types of aircraft on particular routes?
I would have thought these smaller aircraft would be ideal for the shorter routes, or island hopping. Routes such as Isle of Man to London obviously don't require A380s.