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OFSO
24th Nov 2013, 11:11
Historic defeat for EU as Ukraine returns to Kremlin control - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/10469065/Historic-defeat-for-EU-as-Ukraine-returns-to-Kremlin-control.html)

Andy_S
24th Nov 2013, 11:59
Or, as was pointed out elsewhere in the DT, in letting Ukraine slip through it's fingers the EU may actually have dodged a bullet.

Corruption, gangsters, extremely precarious economy. Why would the EU want it?

perthsaint
24th Nov 2013, 12:00
More like a kick in the teeth for the Ukrainian people.

onetrack
24th Nov 2013, 14:16
OFSO - I think perhaps, that headline should be ... "Historic escape for EU as Ukraine returns to Kremlin control" ...

Hasn't anyone told Putin about the dangers of "accepting a poisoned chalice"??

racedo
24th Nov 2013, 14:29
Can we get Turkey to do similar ?

Dushan
24th Nov 2013, 14:34
Where is Elena when you really need her. Chuks, have you seen any red tractors in your part if the world?

OFSO
24th Nov 2013, 14:50
To both Onetrack and Racedo - once you start applying the logic that dumping the Ukraine from the EU is a Good Thing, to how many other Member States could the same apply ? Greece ? Italy ? Spain ? Portugal ?...and er, France ?

racedo
24th Nov 2013, 15:24
To both Onetrack and Racedo - once you start applying the logic that dumping the Ukraine from the EU is a Good Thing, to how many other Member States could the same apply ? Greece ? Italy ? Spain ? Portugal ?...and er, France ?

Ukraine not in EU .

Lon More
24th Nov 2013, 15:44
Scare-mongering from the Torygraph again. From the link A magazine with the European Union logo lies in a street rubbish bin in Kiev. What a waste of bandwidth! Still, there'll be plenty of copies of the Torygraph with "Cameron's Promises" in the bins come the next UK elections.

BDiONU
24th Nov 2013, 15:51
100,000 in mass protest against the gubbamint

BBC News - Huge Ukraine rally over EU agreement delay (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25078952)

main_dog
24th Nov 2013, 16:33
To both Onetrack and Racedo - once you start applying the logic that dumping the Ukraine from the EU is a Good Thing, to how many other Member States could the same apply ? Greece ? Italy ? Spain ? Portugal ?...and er, France ?

No corruption or gangsters in the UK then? Economy in full swing? That's a relief then... :}

Capetonian
24th Nov 2013, 16:52
How fortunate for the Ukrainians, or alternatively, what a wise decision by their leaders. Or maybe the bribe wasn't big enough.

Shack37
24th Nov 2013, 17:09
[quote]To both Onetrack and Racedo - once you start applying the logic that dumping the Ukraine from the EU is a Good Thing, to how many other Member States could the same apply ? Greece ? Italy ? Spain ? Portugal ?...and er, France ?[quote]


Rumania and Bulgaria would be a good start.

MG23
24th Nov 2013, 17:13
Corruption, gangsters, extremely precarious economy. Why would the EU want it?

Come now: the EU isn't quite that bad. A corrupt and extremely precarious economy, certainly, but it's not all run by gangsters.

The real problem is that the EU cannot survive stasis, because it makes no political or economic sense. If it's not expanding, it will be contracting.

vulcanised
24th Nov 2013, 17:21
not all run by gangsters.

So, what is preferable? Run by gangsters or run by inept self-serving bumblers?

Capetonian
24th Nov 2013, 17:36
So, what is preferable? Run by gangsters or run by inept self-serving bumblers?
Gangsters are efficient, which is not a word normally associated with anything to do with Brussels other than when it comes to misappropriating money.

KAG
24th Nov 2013, 18:53
EU shouldn't extend up to Russia or Turkia.
That's a good thing to stop expanding.

fitliker
24th Nov 2013, 19:13
EU will have enough on its plate with the free trade deal with Canada.

pigboat
24th Nov 2013, 19:33
EU will have enough on its plate with the free trade deal with Canada.

Free the maple syrup!!

racedo
24th Nov 2013, 21:56
EU will have enough on its plate with the free trade deal with Canada.

Sanctimoniousness is Canada's biggest export......

Nervous SLF
24th Nov 2013, 22:50
I wonder where/if these two will end up in the EC, my money in on the UK.

"For its part, the UNHCR says that if Yemen does for whatever reason bow to Saudi pressure over the case and try to
have Huda deported, it has an alternative plan which could see the two lovers united in another country."

BBC News - UN helps eloped Saudi 'Juliet' asylum case (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25082597)

Shack37
24th Nov 2013, 23:01
NSLF said:


[quote]I wonder where/if these two will end up in the EC, my money in on the UK.[quote]


The wording of your post suggests you are not in favour of this solution.
Would you prefer the girl was returned to Saudi to face whatever barbarity the authorities there have in mind?


Apologies if I misinterpreted your post.

Nervous SLF
24th Nov 2013, 23:13
Actually upon reflection it wouldn't be that big a surprise if they ended up here in NZ , as for Saudi and how they treat their
own citizens I best not comment.

onetrack
24th Nov 2013, 23:21
OFSO - The problem with the EU, is that it has been set up and run for largely one nations benefit - Germanys. There are many states within the EU who currently think that being in the EU is great - but essentially, they are in eternal debt and economic slavery to Germany.

There are plenty of signs that the EU will self-destruct within a decade or so, as many of the smaller member nations realise that the benefits of being in the EU are seriously outweighed by the disadvantages.

I'd liken these smaller states to poorer people given credit cards with huge credit limits, by the big banks - with Germany being the equivalent of the big bank.
As with poor people, who are eternally sucked dry by the big banks, with constant charges, fees, and excessive interest rates (because they're poor) - so will these smaller EU nations never be able to shake off the yoke of German economic self-interest, and its political aim of a unified Europe under German control, while they remain in the EU.

The time will come when these smaller nations realise, that what is good for the EU mostly translates into what is good for Germany.
There's little difference between American self-interest capitalism and economic domination, and German self-interest capitalism and economic domination.

Besides, as regards Ukraine, the cultural and ethnic ties with Russia are far too strong. The Ukraine is a Slavic nation - culturally, ethnically and historically - and the gap in the relationship between the Germanic nations and culture, and the Slavic nations and culture, is as wide as the gulf between Western and Eastern nations and cultures.

cattletruck
25th Nov 2013, 01:30
Hope they can take that hideous and crass Orange Revolution metaphor back with them. :yuk:

Andy_S
25th Nov 2013, 09:10
The wording of your post suggests you are not in favour of this solution. Would you prefer the girl was returned to Saudi to face whatever barbarity the authorities there have in mind?

I think what Nervous SLF is suggesting is that the UK is a notoriously soft touch when it comes to asylum applications. Nothing specifically against these two, but where does it end?

probes
2nd Dec 2013, 08:40
looks like the blow has become a boomerang. Tough times for the ones who have to decide. With the (reportedly) hundreds of thousands out there.

President Yanukovych defended his refusal to sign by saying the EU was not offering adequate financial aid to upgrade Ukraine's economy.
He also argued that Ukraine could not afford to sacrifice trade with Russia, which opposed the agreement.