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RJM
20th Nov 2013, 14:54
Official Bob Dylan Site | The Official Bob Dylan Site (http://www.bobdylan.com/us/home)

charliegolf
20th Nov 2013, 14:58
No, it really is you.:ok:

CG

(Any of his tunes I like are sung better by other people.)

500N
20th Nov 2013, 15:01
He is superb :ok:

RJM
20th Nov 2013, 15:02
But, how good is the video!?

500N
20th Nov 2013, 15:12
I have a problem with Flash player so can't see it but I think I've seen it before
as I've seen most Dylan videos.

RJM
20th Nov 2013, 15:48
I can't play Flash on my iPad, either, but it's worth playing the video on another machine. It was only released 24 hours ago, and it is groundbreaking, IMHO.

Dylan made one of the first music videos, peeling through giant flash cards with words from, or about, his song Subterranean Homesick Blues, and here he is nearly fifty years later, with another ripper of a video. You can actually direct/edit it as it plays. Very cool.

500N
20th Nov 2013, 16:09
OK, will do.

I know the other video you are talking about :ok:

Rossian
20th Nov 2013, 16:41
...obviously, in that I cannot stand his whiney, nasal, self pitying dirges which almost induce a strong urge to do away with myself.

The Ancient Mariner

I'll go for the therapy later, after our wedding anniversary dinner.

Tankertrashnav
20th Nov 2013, 21:00
My son took his Dutch wife to see him in The Netherlands last month for a birthday treat (she's a Bob Dylan fan).

Son reckoned he was ready to slash his wrists after an hour.

Always said he was more tolerant than his old man, doubt if Id have lasted that long!

Promised I'd take him to a Pet Shop Boys concert if we ever get the chance - that's more like it!

BenThere
20th Nov 2013, 21:08
Bob Dylan was a once in a generation creative genius. He made all of us exposed to him look at things in a new, different way.

I think the 'Desire' album was his best, even though when he made it he was past his prime.

RJM
20th Nov 2013, 21:12
OK, the great man treats his audiences terribly. But his songwriting is superb, and if you listen, he sings on key, like Joe Cocker, Tom Waits, Louis Armstrong and some other unlikely, gravel-voiced singers. Mick Jagger, for example, is the opposite. A great showman, but can't sing.

Dylan's kept his privacy, too, but he's kept giving as well, in a never ending tour, and with innovations like his radio show, and with the book Chronicles, which is a great read even if you don't appreciate the guy's music or voice.

And now this excellent video.

Keep going, Bob!

Oh, and he's no good on the electric guitar, either.

Ben There - I agree about Desire. Not a dud track. It's worth listening to just for Howie Wyeth's super laid back but utterly controlled drums.

BenThere
20th Nov 2013, 22:22
The times were changing though, weren't they?

reynoldsno1
20th Nov 2013, 23:19
Say what you like, but he introduced a lyricsm to popular music that had never existed before. My 22 yr old daughter likes to listen to his parables, as she refers to them.

RJM
21st Nov 2013, 03:03
Come on, Basil... Don't say this has never made you think:

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
Don't criticise
What you can't understand

Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
And your old road is
Rapidly agein'

Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend a hand
For the times they are a-changin'

There's some rubbish, too:

'...pin this triple murder on him, he ain't no Gentleman Jim'

and

'The only thing we knew for sure about Henry Porter was that his name wasn't Henry Porter...'

And what about this for a post-apocalyptic vision:

Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son ?
And where have you been my darling young one ?
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I've crawled on six crooked highways
I've stepped in the middle of seven sad forests
I've been out in front of a dozen dead oceans
I've been ten thousand miles in the mouth of a graveyard
And it's a hard, it's a hard, it's a hard, and it's a hard
It's a hard rain's a-gonna fall.

Tell me that's no damn good.

For comparison, here's Byron on the same subject:

I had a dream, which was not all a dream.
The bright sun was extinguish'd, and the stars
Did wander darkling in the eternal space,
Rayless, and pathless, and the icy earth
Swung blind and blackening in the moonless air;
Morn came and went--and came, and brought no day,
And men forgot their passions in the dread
Of this their desolation; and all hearts
Were chill'd into a selfish prayer for light

Dylan, poet of the age (on a good day).

Nani
21st Nov 2013, 03:18
50 years ago,Bob Dylan!

50 years ago, Bob Dylan silenced the crowd with his performance of "North Country Blues". [VIDEO] (http://www.wimp.com/silencedcrowd/)

Krystal n chips
21st Nov 2013, 05:18
His music and lyrics are superb............when performed by virtually any other performer or singer / group that is.

cattletruck
21st Nov 2013, 05:44
Steve Vai on Bob Dylan (extract from ISBN: 0-89524-572-8)

"That night (morning), Bob Dylan had time booked in the studio. Now let me tell you a little bit about one of the ways Bob Dylan likes to record. He comes into the studio, sits with his guitar and just meanderingly sings and plays until they have something they can put together for a song. He doesn't wait around either. So, they put tape on the machines and set up a 2-track for slap echo...."

I have always found Dylon to be an obvious contrived musical con (he doesn't even use his real name). I just want to smash his accoustic guitar over the sickely pale skinny twerp's boney head. He may even feel something.

pvmw
21st Nov 2013, 09:09
In a minority...

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...obviously, in that I cannot stand his whiney, nasal, self pitying dirges which almost induce a strong urge to do away with myself.

The Ancient Mariner



It might be a bigger minority than you think. Whatever it is he does it can't be classed as "singing".

Blacksheep
21st Nov 2013, 10:12
As an old cold war warrior, one of those who really understood what we were facing at the time, I think I prefer the Byron version.

He was a proper poet, was Byron, though Shelley remains my favourite.

RJM
21st Nov 2013, 10:43
Some people have tin ears. Dylan is a first rate singer. As a contrast, listen to Van Morrison, who just speaks bad poetry into a microphone while he strums a guitar.

Dylan is a baritone with quite a limited vocal range, so he can't reach as far as, say Michael Jackson could, and he doesn't try to extend his range with a falsetto. Dylan's limited range has contracted slightly with age, too. But that doesn't mean he can't hold a tune. He has excellent control of his voice.

Johannes Heesters, a Dutch tenor, began his career in 1919 and was still giving concerts 91 years later in 2010, aged 107 - although he had to prop himself up against the piano. Heesters is dead now - he smoked too much - but there's plenty of him on the net.

Dylan doesn't exert himself much in concerts, so we may have years and years more of hearing him crooning away, it should delight posters here to know.

pvmw
21st Nov 2013, 10:51
Dylan is a baritone..................

Almost correct, should read monotone!!!


............with quite a limited vocal range

Can't disagree with that, except i think the word quite is probably over-generous!!! I think Rossian has it spot on;

whiney, nasal,..................

..............describes it to perfection.

RJM
21st Nov 2013, 10:52
They call those noises whales make, singing. So why discriminate against poor Bob?

pvmw
21st Nov 2013, 11:05
They call those noises whales make, singing. So why discriminate against poor Bob?

Whales have a much greater dynamic range, and are much more melodic.

vulcanised
21st Nov 2013, 11:40
Dylan was certainly many times preferable to that pathetic UK imitation who was so pathetic I can't even recall his name right now.

RJM
21st Nov 2013, 11:53
Donovan? Totally different and should never have been compared.

vulcanised
21st Nov 2013, 12:00
That's the one!

Always remember students giving him a hard time on live TV.

Blacksheep
21st Nov 2013, 12:22
I used to dream of students giving me a hard time. :(

RJM
21st Nov 2013, 12:37
Take a course in 'New Feminist Media' or 'The Emergence Of Modern Sensibility' and you'll get the hard time you want, from ladies too. Well, 'ladies'...

Lonewolf_50
21st Nov 2013, 13:41
I think the 'Desire' album was his best, even though when he made it he was past his prime.
Yes, I'd say it's his best album, with Blood on the Tracks a pretty good one as well.

Wife and I saw him about three years ago. Walked out after three songs. He just isn't good, live.

wings folded
21st Nov 2013, 14:45
Whales have a much greater dynamic range, and are much more melodic.
Wordsmithery is much more limited, unless, perhaps, you are a whale.

MagnusP
21st Nov 2013, 14:58
Always, but ALWAYS, loved his songs. Always, but ALWAYS, hated to hear him singing them. Out of a grand total of about 2000 albums, I have one Bob Dylan; Blonde on Blonde. The day I bought it, I probably thought it was a lesbian porn DVD. Much preferred the Byrds singing his stuff.

vulcanised
21st Nov 2013, 16:36
The one I really like him singing is Knock, knock, knocking.....

reynoldsno1
22nd Nov 2013, 00:28
Dylan himself maintained that the best covers of his songs were done by Manfred Mann ...:ok:

Cacophonix
22nd Nov 2013, 00:41
were done by Manfred Mann


MM was South African you know... ;)

Knockin' On Heaven's Door - Bob Dylan - YouTube

Caco

pigboat
22nd Nov 2013, 00:46
Dylan himself maintained that the best covers of his songs were done by Manfred Mann ...

C'mon without, c'mon within... ;)

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Matari
22nd Nov 2013, 01:30
I always thought he was best with his big production numbers, like the Story of Hurricane Carter. The acapella acoustic guitar numbers kinda grated on me, unfortunately.

pigboat
22nd Nov 2013, 02:11
I've got probably 20 or 25 of his albums, tapes and cd's. I'd be hard pressed to pick a favourite, probably Blonde On Blonde. He wrote some great stuff. In spite of 'filled up my shoe and brought it to you..' the next lines from 4th Time Around are among the best he's ever written:

"And you, you took me in
You loved me then,
You never wasted time.
And I, I never took much
I never asked for your crutch
Now don't ask for mine."

BenThere
22nd Nov 2013, 02:50
"When I was down, you just stood there grinning'"

RJM
22nd Nov 2013, 03:36
For your enjoyment (first url is Positively 4th St refered to above)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7datpSycF78

Mr. Tambourine Man (Live at the Newport Folk Festival. 1964) - YouTube

BenThere
22nd Nov 2013, 16:04
There he was, on the cusp of fame, delivering to us a masterpiece.