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vulcanised
20th Nov 2013, 14:16
BBC News - LG investigates Smart TV 'unauthorised spying' claim (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25018225)

RJM
20th Nov 2013, 14:19
My TV is at the dump. Happy spying!

TWT
20th Nov 2013, 14:48
My 'Smart TV' isn't connected to the internet.It's an older version with no inbuilt camera or microphones.I did connect it once and it urged me to do a firmware upgrade which I did.Unfortunately,I then had to spend 15 minutes returning all the picture and sound settings back to their previous states,as it had 'forgotten' them.

A TV with camera and microphones connected to the internet ? That would never be exploited in an unethical fashion would it ?;)

OFSO
20th Nov 2013, 14:50
Everything else in my household spies on me, why not the TV as well ?

MG23
20th Nov 2013, 15:51
There's a reason I don't connect my TV to the Internet.

UniFoxOs
20th Nov 2013, 16:37
It's not just your TV - GOOGLE (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19200279) does it too.


the search giant was exploiting a loophole that let its cookies be installed via adverts on popular websites, even if users' browsers' preferences had been set to reject them.

This allowed the firm to track people's web-use habits even if they had not given it permission to do so.

lomapaseo
20th Nov 2013, 17:04
The TV is the least of your worries.

It's ceiling cat I worry about and the microchip it wears under its skin

airship
20th Nov 2013, 18:06
TWT wrote: My 'Smart TV' isn't connected to the internet.It's an older version with no inbuilt camera or microphones.I did connect it once and it urged me to do a firmware upgrade which I did.Unfortunately,I then had to spend 15 minutes returning all the picture and sound settings back to their previous states,as it had 'forgotten' them.
Dear TW(i)T, believe me, if your TV is "connected" Ie. you receive your TV channels either via satellite , ADSL, or via fibre networks etc. (instead of the old-fashioned TV antenna on the roof), then everyone, from your Internet TV via ADSL / fibre provider, Satellite TV provider, knows what Tv channels you watch inprobably real-time.

What does surprise me in vulcanised's link to the BBC report (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25018225) is that even "smart" TV manufacturers are not just A) "monitoring and sending on" info on what TV channels you're watching but also B) "monitoring and sending on" what files you've been watching on the TV (whether from your own CD / DVD player connected etc.) and far more worrisome in terms of the invasion of privacy.

If that is the case, these smart TV manufacturers should be "named and shamed" forthwith. So that the general public can buy similar products from other manufacturers with more respect for the privacy of their customers. Of course, "you and I" by now understand that all the major manufacturers of smart TVs and any other devices designed to be connected to the Internet (thanks to the US whistle-blower whose name I shall not mention here for security reasons) have hitherto already been compromised by the NSA, GCHQ and others.

Microsoft, Google (and how many others) have recently "vociferously complained" about so-called "illegal data acquisition" by the security agencies of several countries. Except that they very probably allowed it all to happen in the first place (believing that the general public would never learn of or become aware of what goes on behind the scenes "top secret".

BTW, you might also wonder like I've done just "who are really behind" the most popular recent IPOs such as Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn etc., all companies which have never produced any trading profits over all the years of their existence. And what better opportunity for secret agencies such as NSA and GCHQ etc. (through suitably-disguised investors) to be an integral part of these companies so as to be able to access all the data stored at their leisure..?! :confused:

And thank goodness that my own LED TV doesn't apparently have an in-built "webcam" or other camera (yet). And I sincerely hope that us wankers will be able "to get off in front of the TV "whilst watching a porno movie, for a few years more anonymously, before the South Korean and Japanese TV manufacturers decide to share the videos with NSA (or just the Russian mafia for 50/50% stake in future ransom attempts). :}

pcarranza
20th Nov 2013, 18:52
That's why I don't own a TV.

Nervous SLF
20th Nov 2013, 19:30
I have 2 residents who spy on me..... SWMBO and one of our cats :(

er340790
20th Nov 2013, 19:41
All sounds very 1984-inspired...

We won't be allowed to turn them off at this rate.... :eek:

pigboat
20th Nov 2013, 20:10
We won't be allowed to turn them off at this rate....

Pull the plug on 'em.

Daisy Daisy give me your answer do... ;)

screwballburling
20th Nov 2013, 20:18
Yes and we are paying for the spying device. Like the trackers we all carry, mobile phones. Nice.

This has all been foretold of course and it will get worse. Soon we wont be able to break wind without the b:mad:ds knowing.

RJM
20th Nov 2013, 20:58
What's that awful smell, screwballhurling?

radeng
20th Nov 2013, 20:59
I'm like pcarranza and Nervous SLF - although I have two cats...

The Flying Pram
20th Nov 2013, 21:21
Slashdot (http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/19/1318212/user-alleges-lg-tvs-phone-home-with-your-viewing-habits) carried this yesterday, and has a link to the blogger who reported it. His post includes LG's "We don't care" reply, and details how their set also collects information on any files it finds on connected USB drives!

If your TV is "connected" Ie. you receive your TV channels either via satellite , ADSL, or via fibre networks etc. (instead of the old-fashioned TV antenna on the roof), then everyone, from your Internet TV via ADSL / fibre provider, Satellite TV provider, knows what Tv channels you watch inprobably real-time.There is no way reception via a normal satellite dish will allow details of your watching habits to be sent back to the broadcaster - it is purely a one-way downlink. HOWEVER if you connect your Sky box to the phone line (as required by the contract) then it obviously can send such details whenever it "phones home". Note that you only need to provide this connection for the first year, unless you order "pay per view" programmes, when it's needed for authorisation. Sky will almost certainly try and persuade you to keep it plugged in, but ours ran for donkeys years without...

ShyTorque
20th Nov 2013, 22:12
When I showed the TV engineer how involved it would be to run a phone cable to our TV point (across two rooms and at the far end of a third room with no access to roof space), he gave up and agreed to leave without connecting it.

So it never has been.

racedo
20th Nov 2013, 23:08
Crikey..........................beam TV snooping onto parents TV so can be watched following evening, yup can just see the Porn channel subscription been cancelled when mum and dad see what 17 year old son was watching.

Just seeing actions of son they will know what kid was watching....................:E

TWT
20th Nov 2013, 23:40
The only thing my TV is connected to is the AC mains power and an RF feed from the roof antenna which is pointed at a terrestrial DTV transmitter.No problem.

Worrals in the wilds
21st Nov 2013, 00:19
TWT, likewise.

I remember people were saying this about Cable TV fifteen years ago.
I was sceptical until one day I had to troubleshoot my parent's cable box, and when calling the help line was instructed 'press that button, no not that button the other button.' I asked if he could tell what I'd pressed and he said yes. :suspect:
I then asked if I throw a put a rug over the cable box prior to getting changed in front of it, and he just laughed. Didn't say no though. :suspect::}

yup can just see the Porn channel subscription been cancelled when mum and dad see what 17 year old son was watching. Or the subscription gets cancelled when 17 year old son sees what his parents have been watching. :eek::}

onetrack
21st Nov 2013, 01:16
I tried to connect our (near-new) Sony Smart TV to the 'net, both via wireless and Cat 6 cable. Both times, the attempts to connect ended in failure.

I have no idea why, the router is about 8M away in another room, and I thought the wireless signal mightn't have been strong enough to make it, so I tried the cable. No difference.

I think it might be because the TV speaks Japanese and my wireless and cable speaks Engish with an Australian accent. :)

The one I fear most is the all-seeing-eye, Google. Google is like candy to a kid, you can't resist it, but they spy on you ceaselessly and unmercifully.
Someone chats to me about a VW Amarok problem, and I Google "Amarok" - and next thing, every webpage I open has an alluring ad for an Amarok on it. :ooh:

Blacksheep
21st Nov 2013, 12:16
Harridan Herman's husband likes big black cocks. We know this because he pressed the twitter button on the porn site when he was watching it and let everyone following the Harridan's Twitter feed know he was watching a gay interracial porn movie. You need to be careful what buttons you press when using modern communication technology ... :ooh:

Cacophonix
22nd Nov 2013, 02:28
I am in deep s#it as there are hours of me wandering around the lounge wearing nothing but my stained apple catchers! Not only that but it would have also caught me 'knocking the top off it' while watching Aftican tribes women on the Discovery channel!! Oops.


God knows Cactus... :eek:

;)

Caco

Lantern10
22nd Nov 2013, 02:33
Mains and RF only for this bunny. Stuff them.

TWT
22nd Nov 2013, 08:38
Within 5 minutes of unboxing my brand new work supplied laptop,I had put a piece of black electrical tape over the webcam above the screen too.That was 4 years ago.

mikedreamer787
22nd Nov 2013, 13:51
Yep me too but a computer tech at any store can permanently
disconnect the webcam in five minutes, saving the trouble of
replacing said tape every few months.

TWT
22nd Nov 2013, 18:08
Not my computer and the original bit of tape is still there ;)

airship
24th Nov 2013, 13:02
LG apologises and announces that it will be issuing a "firmware" update according to the BBC here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25042563): We have verified that even when this function is turned off by the viewers, it continues to transmit viewing information, although the data is not retained by the server," LG said in a statement.

"A firmware update is being prepared for immediate rollout that will correct this problem on all affected LG Smart TVs so when this feature is disabled, no data will be transmitted," it added.

Uhmmm, a "firmware solution" ...?! Doesn't that mean that the TV would need to have a continuing permanent connection to the internet for this update to install (whenever it finally comes)...?! :ugh: :rolleyes:

Also noteworthy: Since the issue became public it has emerged that Sony's PlayStation also collects data from every Blu-ray disc that is played.

Samsung, the world's largest TV maker, is yet to respond to questions about its operations.

LG stressed that the information gathered was not personal but viewing information. And presumably made available to all the "friendly spy agencies" such as NSA, GCHQ etc. :* in addition to selling-on all this info to commercial companies involved in advertising etc. :sad:

Sop_Monkey
24th Nov 2013, 19:24
I needed a hotel room for Saturday evening, and paid for it online late Friday.

Opened pprune Saturday morning, low and behold was the hotel I had booked, staring straight at me and paid for 9 hours earlier. The thing that weed me off, was the pprune advert was 25% less than I paid.

Capetonian
24th Nov 2013, 19:39
I then asked if I throw a put a rug over the cable box prior to getting changed in front of it, and he just laughed.
Many years ago one of my schoolmates was the son of a famous BBC newsreader.
I remember him telling about me about letters his dad used to receive, amongst them these gems :

"I am rather short sighted and have to sit very close to the TV set. I hope this does not distract you when you are reading the news."

"Could you please sit lower in your seat as the top of your head goes off the screen of my TV."