Shameful!

[whistlingdixy]

Today I had the pleasure (?) of viewing the CX "scab-list".

This message is to those who wrote it:

Get your facts straight before you slander innocent victims names and plaster personal details over the the internet!

At least 4 of the names on you site are incorrect. Yes, they are Cathay pilots............ but they joined in September (and one in August). It appears in your haste to create more victims you have your 9th and 10th months mixed up. (Hint: October is the 10th month you idiot)

And after that debacle you ask me to join your union.

Nothing but a public apology will do.... although from you, I expect nothing. Crawl shamefaced back into the hole from whence you came.

This thread has nothing to do with the rights or wrongs of "the ban"............. but should serve as an example of the folk who are leading the charge to victimse others in an attempt glorify themselves.

Shoot first ask questions later........... good philosophy that!

How about, rather than trying to be some vigilante hero you listen to YOUR union and "dont fall victim to the tactics of intimidation used by the company".

I support the AOA but hope they catch you!

[411A]

...the CX management will roll over the AOA like a steamroller....no hope for them at ALL.;) ;) ;)

[Al E. Vator]

411A.....gee another brilliant post.

Somebody is impersonating you.....goes by the name of 41IA. Only difference he/she seems like a nice person, speaks rationally and without vitriol and is mature.

Need to be careful, he could damage your reputation!

[411A]

No "vitriol" Al, just common sense and reality. Something that the AOA dismisses as unimportant.

In HKG, the law rules, like it or not.

[sand dune]

Cathay has always used the day that you begin your course as the joining date.

Are you one of those guys who started after October 9th, but were backdated two weeks by the company?

When was your course date, before or after October 9th? Now that I think about it, try to explain to the family of a 49er that you joined on October 8th and that you should be left alone.

[Wizofoz]

Sand Dune,

Explain to the family of an unemployed pilot that a 49ers family, and a Cathay FOs upgrade, are more important than THEM!

Edited for freudian slip!

[sand dune]

Rephrase that please.

[6feetunder]

Wiz, most if not all of the "new joiners" at CX in the last 7 months left positions at other companies, they weren't unemployed. Explain that to a 49er and his family.

CX doesn't typically hire pilots who are currently unemployed, sort of an unwritten policy. The only time it may have happened is when they took another end run at seniority and hired DE Capts. to crew the freighters.

[Wizofoz]

6 feet under,

Several unemployed ex-Ansett guys have been offered Cathay positions. Most have turned them down and are still on the dole.

The 49ers are being paid, these former work-mates of mine are not.

[Capt.CenterLink]

QUOTE : "Wiz, most if not all of the "new joiners" at CX in the last 7 months left positions at other companies, they weren't unemployed. Explain that to a 49er and his family."

Dream on you Looser! go ask the 49 CX drivers that took upgrades to explain their actions to the "49'ers" that were sacked. They are the real underminers of the cause.

YOU guys are Pathetic - said it before and I'll say it one more time....you've taken upgrades , you've all lost credibility and now the company will steam roll you guys and so will the pilots that have NO EXCUSE NOT TO TAKE A JOB because of your weak no spine actions.

.....HEY that sounds fair.......get some one to sacrifice everything and you bitter loosers sacrifice nothing.........

DREAMERS DREAMERS DREAMERS............

[41IA]

Been out on the p*ss, have we? Try a spell checker. You might learn something, like:

1. LOSER is spelled (look carefully) with ONE "o".
2. Those little dot things you seem to like so much are used THREE at a time, by convention...too many............and they lose their impact...(see?)

The upgrade issue at CX has to be a function of how much the upgrade planning has changed since the 49'ers were given the rocket. Ask the right questions, and you will get the answers.

As an aside, I would stay off the computer while angry drunk or upset.

[sand dune]

Wizofoz,

From a previous post:
“But I don’t have a job and I have a mortgage”

Just do as you would if you were to accept the CX job. Sell your house and move to a 700 Sq. foot flat (like one that you would get on a CX S/O housing allowance), only do it in your home country instead. You will be able to find some work and live as comfortably as most people do while you wait for the dust to settle at CX. More importantly you will be able to keep your professional reputation intact. Once you lose it, it’s for life. Someone I know is a Lorenzo Continental Scab from the eighties and he still pays for his mistake.

[shortly]

Doesn't the same old tired rhetoric get to you sometimes? "Explain that to a 49er's family" etc. Nice emotional stuff, and those families are probably hurting bad. But, has the union explained to the 49ers why they were dismissed at all? How the long and pathetically innapropriate union activities against what is in reality a very good company and action against individual pilots within that company, was then escalated for no reason that would stand serious scrutiny. And how this very action led to a most obvious reaction from the company. I am of the opinion that this awful state of affairs has been brought about by inept part time union management and opportunistic full time company management. I recall reading elsewhere 'wake up and smell the coffee' well the scent is spreading guys.

[Alpha Leader]

Wizofoz:

I quote a recent posting of yours:

Several unemployed ex-Ansett guys have been offered Cathay positions. Most have turned them down and are still on the dole.

Are you saying that the Australian tax payer is underwriting this whole stupidity (misplaced pride and outdated union cult)?

No wonder the highest marginal tax rate (plus Medicare levy) has nearly hit 50%!

[Wizofoz]

Alpha Leader,

Yup, your tax dollar at work.

To me, the most annoying thing is that the HKAOA will say "Thanks for being so noble and respecting the ban" when the reason almost all people will turn down Cathay is fear of intimidation.

The Union is trying to paint his as a noble crusade, whilst acting with the morals of the Teamsters!

[Alpha Leader]

Wizofoz:

Thankfully, not MY tax $$$ any more :D

[hvy 18 wheeler]

Careful what you say sand dune!
Whebi joined second officers got around HKD$21500 per month to seek accomodation, then it dropped to HKD$19000 per month. For me that got a fully furnished 3 bedroom 1450sq foot apartment in a nice complex with a big pool right on the water with a bus every hour to hello kitty city, it wasn't in the mid levels or in db or even out in the boon docks of sai kung country park either. There is ample accomodation all over honk kong and now second officers who have done 2 yrs get the full allowance which get most of them a 2000 sq foot place with a car park that costs somewhere in the element of HKD$35 - HKD$ 40k per month depending on where they choose to live. Please don't try to scare of bewilder anybody with crap like you can't live on an s/o's housing allowance. What would be the difference if I was a captain that chose to buy a unit in repulse bay for the company to pay off, my money would only buy me 700 sq feet then?
:(

[Alpha Leader]

hvy 18 wheeler:

Fair comment. With rents at between HK$10 and 20 / sq.ft. in "moderate" areas, Sand Dune is obviously out of date or somewhere in coockoo land.

We are paying HK$9 per sq.ft. (incl. management fee) in a new complex with pool, gym, shopping mall, excellent transport connections to both the city (30 mins by KCR), the airport (50 mins by bus) and the border (10 mins by KCR). Admittedly in the NT, but that's fine as I have to commute to the motherland every day.

Again, the point is that - with the exception of limited term expat contracts - there has been a general levelling of salaries/packages paid to foreigners and locals.

[shortly]

No changes to conditions of service. No attack on rental allowance etc. Stop being a scaremonger. If we had accepted the last real offer then all Captains would be on A scale etc. I know not all 49ers would have been re-employed but that is and remains the fault of the current committee of the union.

[Lurkio Linepilutt]

Caviar Warning!!!! Caviar Warning!!!!




and now


silence.........

[whodunnit2]

I don't wish to stir the pot but I have noticed that housing allowances have been upped from $20 250 to $20 750!

Think that will change 1 July?:D :confused:

[fire wall]

caviar...ie we can no longer give a rational explanation for the unthruths stated so lets just go quiet for a while and hope the storm passes. Is this how the AOA wishes to be seen to the general flying population? For god's sake can someone with a bit of grey matter post without the myopic perspective of Hoffa's long lost relative.....again I say...I thought we were supposedly a well educated/professional group of individuals who enjoyed getting a bit of space between us and terra firma......where has that gone?

[Kaptin M]

Whoop whoop!!
Be aware of STOCKHOLM SYNDROME
That bad ol' company not looking so bad now??
Whoop whoop!!!

[shortly]

Of course I believe in the tooth fairy, ye gods I am the tooth fairy - at least for my family. Only last month put a very small silver coin under daughters pillow after she lost her tooth. And I perpetuate Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny - for my family. Yours must have a rather dreary time Frank, lighten up mate. Anyway are the agreements cancelled or moved?

[shortly]

Oh I see now, the fact that the new arrangements in Company 'Policy' are equal to or better than those previously in place of course has no relevance. Not cancelled, moved, my statement is still correct. But don't worry, your union will screw things up worse yet - you just stay faithful to your cause. 'I'm a union man, I'm proud of what I am. I say what I think that the Company stinks yes I'm a union man'. Welcome to the new world.

[Daxon]

shortly

The wording of the letters was as follows:

"In accordance with section 5.1 of the Agreement this letter is to give the Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association notice of Cathay Pacific Airways Limited’s intention to terminate the Agreement at the end of the period of validity (as defined in the Agreement). As such the Agreement will terminate with effect from 1st July, 2002."

For your ease of reference I have attached the following dictionary definitions:


can·cel [kánss'l ] verb (past can·celed, past participle can·celed, present participle can·cel·ing, 3rd person present singular can·cels)

1. transitive and intransitive verb stop something from happening: to stop a previously arranged event from happening We had to cancel five classes because nobody showed up. The guest speaker is ill and has had to cancel.

2. transitive and intransitive verb end contract: to withdraw officially or legally from a contract Members are free to cancel at any time.

3. transitive verb mark as used: to invalidate a legal or official document to show that it has been used and cannot be reused machines that cancel postage stamps

4. transitive verb reverse instruction: to reverse an instruction to a machine, especially a computer, or bring a machine's operation to an end Cancel the download from the Internet.


ter·mi·nate [túrm nàyt ] (past ter·mi·nat·ed, past participle ter·mi·nat·ed, present participle ter·mi·nat·ing, 3rd person present singular ter·mi·nates) verb

1. transitive and intransitive verb finish: to come to an end, or bring something to an end (formal)

2. transitive verb fire somebody: to discontinue somebody's or a group's employment He was terminated after 20 years in the job.




I think frankg has it correct, don’t you?

Thank you.

[shortly]

No.

[shortly]

Daxon, your grammatical inerpretations are great. Vote consevative, stop action , return to the table ---- please.