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Loose rivets
25th Oct 2013, 23:45
Well, I listened to the end. I wish I could make my point like this angry young man. Yep, I agreed with most of what he said.

Russell Brand May Have Started a Revolution Last Night (http://gawker.com/russell-brand-may-have-started-a-revolution-last-night-1451318185)

gorter
26th Oct 2013, 00:24
I saw most of the interview. And for the first time ever Paxman was outflanked at every turn. I know many will disagree, however I think he expresses the sentiments of the current average man better than anyone else can.

baggersup
26th Oct 2013, 00:54
Lately, I've been more interest in Paxman's "to beard or not to beard, that is the question."

But he's right about one thing. Russell Brand is a trivial man. :D

Ozzy
26th Oct 2013, 00:59
Rumour is that Brand is going to give away his millions as he abhors profit and capitalism. He can send me a portion of it. That would show real solidarity!

Ozzy

baggersup
26th Oct 2013, 01:09
Yes!

Perhaps it's time for photoshopped pics of him socializing with Warren Buffett need to be circulated........

Or perhaps even one of him in morning suit at 19 in a group Bullindgon Club snap.

Dak Man
26th Oct 2013, 01:38
A lot of what he says resonates, he has the pulse of the underclass and he articulates his opinions confidently and well although there is an element of "soundbite" to my ear. He was shown as rather a shallow individual after the Andrew Sachs episode; I do wonder if his current revolutionary rhetoric is in some way another Sachs episode, he has done rather well for himself by being outspoken, maybe he's still just taking the piss with his pseudo realpolitiking.

AtomKraft
26th Oct 2013, 01:42
Russell Brand is a fanny.

Edit.....But I agree with him more than I expected.....

pigboat
26th Oct 2013, 01:56
And a hairy one at that.

Matari
26th Oct 2013, 02:19
"....given that the planet is being destroyed..."

Right. Yawn.

fireflybob
26th Oct 2013, 02:22
If he hadn't risen to "fame" as a celebrity for the herd who watch banal TV programs people would be saying "Who is he?".

ex_matelot
26th Oct 2013, 05:18
It's all bullshit and just part of his projecting image. It would seem he's now trying to "channel" Che Guavera.

Pali
26th Oct 2013, 07:22
One thing is to condemn system and another one is to propose solution. This guy has none.

I had to live half of my life in a regime which was founded on this type of thinking. No freedom of speech, gulags, prosecution of any attempt to gain more freedom, you have to pretend you agree with the regime or you will have no chance to get a decent job, your kids will not attend university not even a college and you may end in a jail.

Russell Brand has no clue how to change the things he speaks so passionately about. And he has no clue that he is actively promoting even worse evil rule of communists and leftists. I lived there. It started with noble words of so called revolutionaries and ended with mass murder, Stasi type of police and oppression.

Brand is lunatic and should ask people who lived in communist states. He would wake up. Maybe.

dead_pan
26th Oct 2013, 07:26
I was going to post a thread on this yesterday but had second thoughts...

He's a very intelligent and articulate chap but there are huge holes in his argument, as Paxo pointed out. Stirring stuff though!


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dead_pan
26th Oct 2013, 07:32
...I did wonder, if he carries on like this and does begin to garner support amongst the masses, how long before he ends up dead from a drugs overdose or the like?


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Capetonian
26th Oct 2013, 07:42
RB is articulate and intelligent but the way he speaks and expresses himself is appalling. His gutter speech, his glottal stops, that 'mockney' accent. Much as I detest him, I agree with much of what he says. He doesn't vote because he's disillusioned with the lies and deceit of the politicians of the mainstream parties. That we have in common.

The downside is that if everyone followed the same approach, the current government would remain in power indefinitely and unopposed, most unhealthy.

Blacksheep
26th Oct 2013, 08:00
He sounds and looks like a hairy 1960s student union activist. Lots of young men went through this stage in their late teens and early twenties.

Maybe he could start his utopian revolution by organising a sit-in at the London School of Economics and Political Science?

Perhaps not. He's a bit too old for that. :rolleyes:

probes
26th Oct 2013, 08:21
One thing is to condemn system and another one is to propose solution. This guy has none.
That's about the same category of statement as the 'everybody should vote'-one.
If one does not know how to improve the situation, does it mean he has no right to say things are not well?
How would the ones that are supposed to know, know about it being bad, then?
If nobody voted, there would be a problem for the political parties even. How do you win the elections if nobody votes? OK, the dedicated members probably will, so - if, say, about 5% of people voted?
Trouble is, being a polititian has become just a career and means of getting wealthy (not doing something for the country or the world), and a very tricky one at that - one has to do whatever to be voted for at the end of the present deadline, meaning get voted for at the new elections.
And I don't think he meant socialism is better. Even the "Swedish socialism" does not seem to work well.
What will?
I don't know. As long as people have so different ideas of 'better life' (from just getting any food and no fear of the neighbouring people coming and killing everyone, to a taxpayer-paid boob surgery to get emotional boost and move on with one's life), and the ideas change according to what is being considered 'posh'...

dead_pan
26th Oct 2013, 10:22
He sounds and looks like a hairy 1960s student union activist. Lots of young men went through this stage in their late teens and early twenties.


Yep, and most are now well-healed lawyers and city-types.




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Capetonian
26th Oct 2013, 10:32
Yep, and most are now well-healed lawyers and city-typesDid you intend that as pun? If you did, it's a bloody good one. They were healed from lefty-ism!

tony draper
26th Oct 2013, 11:00
I'd love to see him watching that clip when he is sixty, if he makes it that far, cringe will not be the word for it.
:rolleyes:

zarniwoop
26th Oct 2013, 12:26
He's nothing but an attention seeking fame whore, as for giving away all his wealth I'll believe that when he's living in a squalid council flat, he can't have that much dislike of the system if it has taken him that long to pretend he will do something about it.

goudie
26th Oct 2013, 13:19
Well up himself!

Torque Tonight
26th Oct 2013, 13:24
I have to say he's gone up in my estimation as a result of that interview. Admittedly my previous opinion of him was not a good one but he has demonstrated that there is at least something going on between his ears, which I would never before have given him credit for.

I disagree with most of his opinion, but I am certain that a great number of people will relate to his point of view. I am amused by his appointment as a political editor, but given the banality of politics think that a new perspective is no bad thing. Credit to Brand for putting Paxman, one of the toughest interviewers, on the back foot. Paxo chews up most interviewees - Brand left him looking like a shocked puppy.

Anything that gives politicians a boot up the backside has to be good - remind them who they're working for. And thinking cynically, Brand encouraging the underclass not to vote is most likely beneficial to those who contribute to society.:ok:

603DX
26th Oct 2013, 14:38
Interesting to note the degree of approbation accorded to this highly opinionated individual's flim-flam, in several of the posts here. The interview presents a fair example of the old cliche that "empty vessels make the most noise", and goes some way towards explaining the apparent crowd-swaying effects of his demagogic rhetoric. And to reveal some aspects of how he has managed to become a "celebrity" without tangible substance.

The impression I have formed from observing various screenings of his antics in recent years is that he has something of a Rasputin-like doppelganger air about him. Verbose, in a semi-articulate manner, using words now and then outside of the common vocabulary range, which imparts an image of intelligence, not necessarily backed up by the reality of his attempted arguments for change.

A wannabe fomenter of raw (and perhaps bloody) revolution, without the remotest idea of how to follow through and replace the existing social and political system with something better. Indeed, little sign of whether he could actually recognise what "better" might be.

A classic stirrer, "all mouth and trousers", who clearly impresses himself no end, but seemingly without genuine intellect or foresight to support the high self-confidence.

dead_pan
26th Oct 2013, 15:06
Did you intend that as pun? If you did, it's a bloody good one. They were healed from lefty-ism!

No pun intended, but I'll claim it as my own. As for being 'cured', a few I know have just diluted their socialism with a glass or two of champagne.

Brand may be all mixed up but his message will definitely resonate with some, in particular his principal demographic - he's just the sort of person who is sufficiently well known and talked about on social media that he could set something off.

Revolutionary mutterings are definitely in the air, and not just in the UK. One only needs to look across the Channel or Atlantic to witness the depths of disillusionment across many societies. The question is, what sort of revolution is on the cards - left-wing, right-wing, militant-Islam etc? Take your pick.

VP959
26th Oct 2013, 16:15
I watched the whole interview and the one thing that stood out was that Brand was very forceful in stating a lot of obvious problems within society (and I don't disagree with many of those failings he identified) but he didn't actually put forward one single, positive and practical way to change society for the better.

Any fool can identify problems and spout critical comment, it takes little intellect and only requires a loud mouth.

Few can actually rise to the challenge of doing something positive to change society for the better, though, and it's notable that those we recognise as having done so in the past have pretty much all been far less outspoken and self-serving as Brand.

It makes me suspect that he's adopted this apparent persona to make money, much has Jeremy Clarkson has done. There is no doubt that being an outspoken media person has entertainment value, but almost certainly does nothing to improve the deficiencies in our society he (and others) have identified.

goudie
26th Oct 2013, 16:39
Totally agree. The only thing he's going to improve is his bank balance?
Cynic moi?

Tankertrashnav
26th Oct 2013, 17:12
I thought Paxman must be going soft, as Brand had absolutely nothing new to say, yet was pontificating as though nobody had ever attempted to create the socialist state he was envisualising. Paxman could have pointed out the innumerable attempts to form an idealistic society which had foundered on man's inherent greed and selfishness, from the French revolution up to so-called "communist" China.

By the way, Russell - if you read this, PM me for my bank details and I promise to spend my share of your loot in the interests of my fellow men ;)

obgraham
26th Oct 2013, 18:39
So this moron, who got rich by appealing to the basest part of society, now wants us to believe he has some wisdom as to the state of the world?

His carbon footprint (private jets, bodyguards, agents, managers) is likely 50 times that of the ordinary folk he pretends to care about.

A pretty typical limousine liberal -- got rich, now feels guilty about it, but not guilty enough to stop.

Hobo
26th Oct 2013, 20:18
Rock of Ages - Russell Brand and Alec Baldwin song - I Can't Fight This Feeling Anymore HD - YouTube

Loose rivets
26th Oct 2013, 20:35
I can't determine whether there was more to that video than a simple send-up. Both 'singers' seemed to know, with incredible precision, the boundaries they were pushing through.

Andu
26th Oct 2013, 21:43
but I am certain that a great number of people will relate to his point of view. Yup.they would be all those people who feel they must have - indeed, are entitled to - THEIR share of society's riches.... without having first done a damn thing to earn that share.

As someone has said before me, he delivered a halfway lucid list of society's ills, without coming out with one positive way of fixing one of them beyond giving money earned by one group to people who have not earned it. (It's called Socialism, which works a treat until you run out of other people's money.)

He lost me when he sang the praises of the 'Occupy Wall Street' mob.

dead_pan
26th Oct 2013, 21:52
That is the big issue for many people nowadays - they sure as hell know what they don't want, but have absolutely no idea what they do.

On reflection, as long as Facef*ck doesn't go offline or TOWIE off air, there's absolutely b*gger all chance the youth of today getting off their lardy ar5es and doing anything about our collective plight. In fact, joining some moronic Facef*ck group or other is just about as much as most of 'em can manage to do.

SilsoeSid
26th Oct 2013, 22:05
He lost me when he sang the praises of the 'Occupy Wall Street' mob.

Oh yes, that lot!!

Occupy Wall Street protester gets job on Wall Street! (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8936759/Occupy-Wall-Street-protester-gets-job-on-Wall-Street.html)

Tracy Postert joined the occupation at New York's Zuccotti Park, decrying capitalism and carrying signs that read "Reagan sucks" and "I'll vote after the revolution".

But after several days she gave up the signs and instead held a placard advertising her PhD in biomedical science and declaring that she was looking for a job. Her self-promotion caught the eye of Wayne Kaufman, the chief market analyst at a financial brokerage firm, who took her CV, invited her to an interview and eventually offered her a job.

“I had been unemployed for so long, I thought why not?” Miss Postert told the New York Post. In her new role as a junior analyst she is making just over minimum wage but could be earning a six-figure salary within a couple of years. She has no experience in finance and said that the decision to leave the protest movement was painful.

Her new boss, the chief executive of John Thomas Financial Brokerage, Thomas Belesis, could barely contain his glee at the small victory over the Occupiers. “She was ranting about Wall Street, and now she’s working on Wall Street. Banks are not so bad. I hope we have opened her eyes," he said.

Her new routine involves an 8am start and cries of "Go, go, go" blared over the office speakers each day as a morning rallying cry. A spokesman for Miss Postert's former colleagues said that they wished her well and said that a number of people had left high-paying Wall Street jobs to join them.
"Our rates of attrition are pretty good," a spokeswoman said.

I especially like the bit; "(she) said that the decision to leave the protest movement was painful."

… but not so painful that a six figure salary wouldn't sort :roll eyes:


p.s. I was in NY for the Marathon when this was going on and saw the 'camp etc'. What struck me was that they were supposed to be 'occupying Wall Street', however they couldn't because Wall Street was closed due to the filming of the new Batman movie, Dark Knight Rises (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2058289/Occupy-Wall-Street-protests-Batman-arrives-scene-film-movie-sequel.html) :ok:

bosnich71
27th Oct 2013, 08:23
Another Tariq Ali ....... in other words a plik.

ZeBedie
27th Oct 2013, 09:26
It was like an adult interviewing a silly child.

Andy_S
27th Oct 2013, 13:31
Verbose, in a semi-articulate manner, using words now and then outside of the common vocabulary range, which imparts an image of intelligence, not necessarily backed up by the reality of his attempted arguments for change.

Very nicely put.

Basically he was talking fluent b******s. But because he's a celebrity, far too many people have hailed his words as somehow profound.

Krystal n chips
27th Oct 2013, 14:07
" the youth of today getting off their lardy ar5es and doing anything about our collective plight"

Slight digression here. Last weekend, I went on the "Heart of Wales" circular from Shrewsbury then on the Welsh Marches for the return. It's a very scenic route and the train is rather basic as it's as much a working train, lots of request only stops for the local communities as well as carrying people lke me, cyclists, hikers etc.

A group of kids, all of whom at first glance would support the above perception, got on at one stop and sat in one of the four seats spaces offered for the impaired, mothers with wheelchairs / pushchairs etc. .....as did a Swansea City supporter who sat in another four seat area and who promptly opened a can and started to read the Sun....par for the course there then.

Some time later, a young lady with a wheelchair got on, the train was filling up by now, and all of the kids got up and offered her the seat and space...:ok:

The "footie" slob remained on its arse swilling beer....

And now, back to why RB is merely a self publicity seeking non-entity. As for Paxman going soft, do have a think about this. It's a well established technique that, when confronted with those who wish to express themselves, about themselves, and with no other reason in mind, you simply let them get on with it, albeit with the odd interjection to keep matters moving.

Why should Paxman trouble himself when Brand was doing all the work for him.

StressFree
27th Oct 2013, 16:04
Krystal,

It's not often I'll say this but I agree with you 100%.

Goods points, well made. :D

Wingswinger
27th Oct 2013, 20:45
Just wasted 10 minutes of my life watching this. What a ridiculous, ranting, peurile nonentity. He clearly knows no history nor understands economics even at the most basic level. What on earth possessed to the BBC and JP to give him the platform?

Solar
28th Oct 2013, 01:57
Wingswinger
Like yourself I lasted five minutes watching it and only because some of the posters seemed to give him some credibility. After the five minutes I revised my opinion of him back to what I originally had.
Solar

Blacksheep
28th Oct 2013, 10:13
...there's absolutely b*gger all chance the youth of today getting off their lardy ar5es and doing anything about our collective plight. Now there's the attitude problem, right there - anyone referring to "the youth of today". In reality they're pretty much like the youth of yesterday, only their generation has seen the end result of socialism.

At the recent "Freshers Week" at the University of Hertfordshire we recruited a dozen of these so-called 'lardy as5es' to the party and there are always fresh-faced young people on our monthly MP's Action Team outings. The fact is, there are indeed a lot of people with a "we can't do anything" attitude but they won't be counted in for anything, not even for the revolution that Mr. Brand hopes to start. But the young people who are interested - and there are plenty - will set our future, they don't all think like Brand and they are committed. Let the hoodies drink their cider and smoke thoer dope - their kind have always been with us and like their fathers and Russell Brand's revolution, they aren't going anywhere. It is the bright and cheerful young enthusiasts who will lead the nation and our "grumpy old men's" part in the future is to encourage them.

Zapatas Blood
29th Oct 2013, 17:02
I am a wealthy professional. Very little to complain about.

BUT

RB speaks the truth. The system is totally skewed towards the ruling elite and they have very little impetus to change the status quo. The political system in the west is very broken and does little more than reinforce the power base of the ruling elite.

JP is part of the machine and will not listen to alternative points of view unless they "are specific" and provide "specific solutions" to the problem.

This is an effective technique employed by the ruling elite to shutout criticism of their system. Observations are only valid if made from within, by the educated moneyed class. Of course the educated moneyed class have very little to complain about and so the status quo is fine thank you very much.

Make no mistake, the UK is bordering on financial ruin and is virtually a third world country to many of the underclass that RB speaks of. As is the US and many other western nations.

RB does not offer a blueprint as to how to fix the problems facing the UK (or the wider west) but at least he is taking the first step to recovery by loudly annunciating that something is wrong with the system and change is desperately needed.

JP, like most entrenched in the machine, cannot even be bothered to take this first step. He may get his Italian leather shoes wet.

Tsk tsk.

Loose rivets
29th Oct 2013, 18:21
Horror! I changed out of my Italian leather shoes only last night. Far too wet walking to the pub to use those.


I kind of feel sorry for the bloke. A big boat, a slim blond, and Italian shoes, all buggah'd up because he did something akin to Douglas Badar's burst of youthful exuberance. But for the grace of God . . .

goudie
29th Oct 2013, 20:12
Make no mistake, the UK is bordering on financial ruin and is virtually a third world country


'A modest gain it may have been, but today’s 31.62 point rise ensured the FTSE 100 chalked up its eighth consecutive session of gains to continue what is its longest winning streak for five months'
From today's Telegraph finance section.


You were saying!

Andy_S
29th Oct 2013, 20:41
.....and is virtually a third world country to many of the underclass that RB speaks of.

Perhaps the 'underclass' ought to go and live in an actual third world country, one in which they have no subsidised housing, free healthcare / education or benefit payments and limited recourse to the law and justice. Perhaps then they'd begin to appreciate just how fortunate they are.

dead_pan
29th Oct 2013, 21:12
'A modest gain it may have been, but today’s 31.62 point rise ensured the FTSE 100 chalked up its eighth consecutive session of gains to continue what is its longest winning streak for five months'
From today's Telegraph finance section.

Yup, but lets see the FTSE reacts when the BofE and/or the Fed start trying to take our economies off life support in a few months time...

Zapatas Blood
30th Oct 2013, 00:42
"FTSE 100 chalked up its eighth consecutive session of gains"

Yup, exactly what I am talking about.

The stock market is a great example of a totally inadequate measure of the real underlying economy. An outdated tool used by the ruling elite that does nothing to account for the wealth divide that is growing every day.

And as dead pan alluded to, western countries are in for a surprise when currency manipulation runs its course.

obgraham
30th Oct 2013, 05:14
So tell me, Bloody Shoe -- just what system are you proposing to replace the current one?

Or, like most limousine libs, do you simply like to protest for its own sake?

Dak Man
30th Oct 2013, 21:27
What he said

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AtomKraft
6th Nov 2013, 00:43
BBC Radio Four report that Paxo also fail to vote!

Says he sympathises with Brand.

And, why not? :hmm:

Cacophonix
6th Nov 2013, 01:11
The Beatles - Revolution (HD) - YouTube

Caco

doubleu-anker
6th Nov 2013, 02:50
Listened to RB he does talk a lot of sense.

People will only take so much. When the average person either heats or eats, not both, this winter because of corporate greed, then something may just give. The whole thing is a house of cards. Things could turn ugly very quickly. Look at North Africa and elsewhere, in very recent times. Who would have been brave enough to predict that? The "economists" have made a complete mess of the whole thing. They never saw 2008 coming so don't put too much faith in that lot. We all know how our politicians behave. Like pigs at the trough.

JP looked very uneasy because he knew what RB was saying, was the truth. He or anyone else with half a brain can also see it!

The stock market could crash, just as quick as it rises. We all know this.

They are on about water prices going through the roof soon. Just waiting for one of those :mad:s to say the whole sale price of water has gone up.

Dr Jekyll
6th Nov 2013, 07:18
Zapatas

Could you explain what RB meant when he said 'Profit is a filthy word ....because wherever there is profit there is always deficit'?

fireflybob
6th Nov 2013, 08:05
I quite like Peter Schiff's commentary on Brand:-

Russell's Brand of Marxism is no Better than the Original

doubleu-anker
6th Nov 2013, 08:12
Basil

I remember the Pole tax riots and they were ugly. They took place in the "good times" IIRC. It is possible those riots could have got out of hand very quickly.

bosnich71
6th Nov 2013, 08:30
Meanwhile in Brittanny the Bretons are causing problems for M.Hollande and his mob of lefties by rioting over the proposed institution of an 'Eco tax'. First proposed by Sarky in 2009 but not put into operation the Hollande Government announced plans to actually bring it in until the Bretons started burning things down at which time the government announced that they would delay the imposition. The Bretons of course don't give a s**t,not being of a trusting nature where politicians are concerned, and have continued to riot etc. Perhaps Brand could drop over to France and give them a bit of support.

dead_pan
6th Nov 2013, 08:31
I remember the Pole tax riots and they were ugly.

That'll be the poll tax riots, unless I missed something?

I remember them too. I'd just arrived in London and took my missus (then g/f) out for a nice meal in Soho. We thought "Blimey, London is a bit rough - what's with all these police vans?", not knowing that a full scale riot had kicked off just around the corner. We didn't find out what had happened until we read the paper the next morning...

They took place in the "good times" IIRC.

Not really. Things were still pretty dire around the country at the time, as I recall.

It is possible those riots could have got out of hand very quickly.

Probably not then, but certainly last year things looked a bit dodgy for a day or two. The authorities were a bit slow on the uptake.

But you're right - given the state of our police and armed forces, it wouldn't take much to tip things over the edge. Watch what happens in Greece in the next year or two.