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Nigd3
3rd Oct 2013, 11:59
I couldn't see this posted elsewhere but it looks pretty scary for the SUV driver and his family.
Would be interesting to know if anything happened prior to the video recording.

Video shows violent high-speed chase through New York City as motorcycle gang surrounds SUV, attacks driver | National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/30/video-shows-violent-high-speed-chase-through-new-york-city-as-motorcycle-gang-surrounds-suv-attack-driver/)

Alloa Akbar
3rd Oct 2013, 12:23
If you look at the body language of the lead biker from the start, clearly the altercation had begun before the video started.. Bunch of bikers riding erratically or Range Rover driver driving like an inconsiderate ****?? One is just as likely as the other.. I note from the CNN report that when the Range Rooney driver decides to floor it, he runs over a couple of bikes CRITICALLY INJURING one of the bikers.. from then on its always going to end badly for the car driver and I struggle to muster any sympathy.

Most bikers on here will tell you SUV drivers (And in particular mums on the school run) are a daily menace.. That said, groups of kids on bikes with no road sense are just as much of a menace.

angels
3rd Oct 2013, 12:49
This has been rumbling on for a few days now and more details are emerging about the bikers (known for aggressive rides) and the guy that was seriously injured.

LiveLeak.com - "Innocent victim" Jay Meezee peacefully driving his Bike

jackieofalltrades
3rd Oct 2013, 13:06
The bikers were looking for trouble and deliberately caused a crash with the SUV.. After the SUV hits the bikes trying to escape they should have dialled 911, not taken vigilante action hunting down the SUV and smashing the window dragging the driver out to beat him in front of his wife and child. I have no sympathy for the bike riders. Had they obeyed the laws of the road this incident would not have arisen.

Alloa Akbar
3rd Oct 2013, 13:08
What a dimwit.. My sympathy levels for the car driver are rising.. ;)

Lon More
3rd Oct 2013, 13:13
Original video seem to have disappeared.

I would like to know what happened beforehand, seems that one of the bikers is now paralysed after having been run down. maybe that's why the SUV driver didn't hang around

Alloa Akbar
3rd Oct 2013, 13:19
Lon,

the guy who was paralysed probably wasn't the main protagonist.. Thats said, reminds me of the old Scottish phrase "If ye flee wi the craws, ye'll get shot wi the craws"..

I don't think the RR driver should have driven over the bikes, but in his shoes, I may have done the same.. The more I hear about this story the more I am convinced that the two wheeled loonies were already on their way to their own fatal accident anyway, so no loss. W:mad:rs.

dead_pan
3rd Oct 2013, 13:20
Hmm, tricky situation for the car driver - do you keep going and maybe kill a few of the f*ckers, or take the beating? Shame there wasn't any cops around.

This biker culture is getting a bit out of hand, even here in the UK. A couple of weeks back I was held up at a roundabout while this lad blocked the traffic to let his biker mates all get across in one group (bless - what if the poor darlings had to travel separately down the road, like everyone else?). I was tempted to try and force my way out as I had right of way, but was slightly fearful of the consequences. Again, there's never a copper around when you need one.

Sallyann1234
3rd Oct 2013, 13:22
There are/were other videos on LiveLeak showing previous activities of the biker 'victim' acting irresponsibly.

Lon More
3rd Oct 2013, 13:22
Probably everybody was just in the wrong place at the wrong time; cnuts on the bikes playing silly buggers and the SUV driver decided to exercise his God-given right to use that bit of road. Inevitable from there on in. Just surprised no guns were used.

Lon More
3rd Oct 2013, 13:27
A couple of weeks back I was held up at a roundabout while this lad blocked the traffic to let his biker mates all get across in one group

Could well have been on a charity run. Bikers often get a hammering but these runs raise a lot of funds for charities round the country

Alloa Akbar
3rd Oct 2013, 13:28
DeadPan - There are a few Bike Vs Car Vs Cyclist threads on here, I think you'll find if you read them that bad motorcyclists are like bad cyclists and bad car drivers.. Minority giving the majority a bad name. Exercising a few seconds patience was the right thing to do on your part, irrespective of the bikers arrogance / stupidity / rudeness or indeed circumstances as Lon says. :ok:

onetrack
3rd Oct 2013, 13:29
Seeing as its the U.S., the bikers should probably consider themselves lucky the RR driver didn't let loose with a couple of magazines from the Colt he was packing!!

I recall an incident a few years ago where a road rage thug chased an old guy into his house yard, expressing threats to kill him.
Unfortunately for the thug, the old guy was packing heat and emptied a full magazine into him, as soon as he got into his front yard!!
The road rage thug won't be chasing anyone, anytime, soon! It's hard to do that when you're pushing up daisies! :)

TWT
3rd Oct 2013, 13:31
Seen that before,'traffic' bikers blocking on ramps to a motorway so a long procession of Hells Angels doing a funeral run wouldn't have cars trying to merge into the middle of them

Lonewolf_50
3rd Oct 2013, 13:55
The bikers were engaging in bullying behavior and intimidation. Give the SUV driver a cigar.

These dudes are trying to live out "The Wild One (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0047677/)" on the roads of 2013. Of course it will end badly. :mad: The lying sack of manure/lawyer representing the injured bullybiker needs a kick in the teeth. :mad:

If you endorse and defend bullying and intimdation like that, you'll get it.

This is a far better "stand your ground" case than that fool Zimmerman. Citizens need not have to put up with being bullied or intimidated by feckwits.

Again, there's never a copper around when you need one.
Indeed.

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 14:10
Considering this happened in NYC (Manhattan to be precise) and seems to be the "talk of the town" since it happened, allow me enter my 2 cents into the discussion.

The incident in question occurred on the Henry Hudson Parkway. A roadway which is notorious for stop and go traffic. (Which road in Manhattan isn't?!!!)

It seems the motorcycle "club" the riders belong to is a Latino-only club. They are also known for being intimidating to others when they gather in their pack.

What happened was this. For whatever reason they decided to focus their attentions on the SUV driver. (Who had his wife and 2 year-old child in the Ranger Rover with him.) During the cruise on the Henry Hudson the "club" riders accelerated at times and at other times stopped suddenly. it was during one occasion of the latter that the SUV rear-ended one of the riders. He just didn't have enough time to stop and the sudden braking by the motorcyclist was done purposefully. Once the rear-ending was over the SUV driver, becoming scared shitless, accelerated away. The motorcyclists eventually caught up with him, several of them got of their bikes and started attacking the SUV, driver, his wife but left the little child alone.

One of the motorcyclists has been arrested and charged with numerous violations. Another one turned himself in and will also be charged. The Manhattan district attorney sees no charges, at all, being levied against the SUV driver.

One of the punks who was arrested, when asked why they focused on the SUV driver replied: "We wanted to check on his safety and the safety of his family."

Yeah right.

BTW: The punk who got run over by the SUV? He's being charged as well and was arrested this morning in his hospital bed.

In essence: the motorcyclists got what they deserve. I, however, would have done things a bit differently than Mr. Lien (the SUV driver). Had these punks focused on me and my family and did similar, I would have mowed all their asses down. And then backed up just to make sure.

A Squared
3rd Oct 2013, 14:15
For what it's worth, some news outlets are reporting that the SVU had previously "clipped" (whatever that means) a motorcyclist. That was the original catalyst for the behavior at the beginning of the video, where the biker pulls in front of the SUV and brakes (and got his as a result) .

Of course it should be noted that claim comes from one of the bikers, and even if true as stated doesn't justify the actions in the video.

Dak Man
3rd Oct 2013, 14:19
I would love to read the insurance claim forms on this one.

"I was proceeding along in an orderley manner, when...................."

feel free to add

Cacophonix
3rd Oct 2013, 14:21
These guys were well out of order and their behaviour, menacing a guy, his wife and their kid brings shame on the biking fraternity. They deserve an arse kicking.

Caco

lomapaseo
3rd Oct 2013, 14:39
More and more is developing on this. The ills of society when a group trespasses on another part.

Lots of two wrongs don't make a right stuff to point fingers at.

The law should be applied accordingly. I ain't betting on who or what the charges will be and I'll just leave it at that and not even bother to pick a side.

Kind of curious though about all the helmet cameras that were being used that have'nt turned up yet (might be self implicating)

500N
3rd Oct 2013, 14:46
"(might be self implicating)"

will be self implicating !

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 14:47
loma:

According to the New York Daily News, usually a good source of all things New York City, the Manhattan district attorney has output from several of the helmet webcams. Said output will be used in prosecution of the motorcycle thugs as per this incident.

A Squared:

The "clipping" of a motorcycle happened when the bike in front of the SUV stopped suddenly, causing the "clipping." Prior to that there was no physical contact between the SUV and bikes.

People, people, people. This bike gang, and that is exactly what it is - a gang and not a club - are known for these kind of incidents in the NYC environs. This is not the first time they've done such deeds. However, it might well be the last considering a few of them are off to the local lock up.

Alloa Akbar
3rd Oct 2013, 14:54
I reckon its only a matter of time before this happens in the UK with those gangs of 16 year old scooter morons.. to paraphrase an earlier post, this is the public highway, not easy fcuking rider. :ok:

500N
3rd Oct 2013, 14:56
Used to happen years ago with MODS and their Scooters.

skydiver69
3rd Oct 2013, 16:21
Alloa Akbar
I reckon its only a matter of time before this happens in the UK with those gangs of 16 year old scooter morons.. to paraphrase an earlier post, this is the public highway, not easy fcuking rider.

A couple of weeks ago one of my colleagues seized a kids scooter as he was riding around the city centre like a dick causing numerous arguments with members of the public. The icing on the cake was the kid following a police van doing a blue light run through the city centre and almost running into the back of the van. The scooter was seized using the motor vehicle equivalent of anti social behaviour legislation. It cost the kid £150 to retrieve the scooter plus he was almost crying when it was taken from him!

dead_pan
3rd Oct 2013, 16:59
Could well have been on a charity run. Bikers often get a hammering but these runs raise a lot of funds for charities round the country

Err, I really don't think so - the charity runs around here usually have a police escort of sorts. BTW you're not a biker yourself? No issue just wondering.

I think you'll find if you read them that bad motorcyclists are like bad cyclists and bad car drivers

Indeed, however you rarely get cars blocking off roads so their mates can all get out. Sports bikers are dangerous but for different reasons; almost had one through the windscreen a few days back :hmm:

West Coast
3rd Oct 2013, 17:01
All the more reason to drive my F-250, it stamps out road raging Yamaha's with a quarter turn of the the wheel

A Squared
3rd Oct 2013, 17:19
Could well have been on a charity run. Bikers often get a hammering but these runs raise a lot of funds for charities round the country

Not a chance. Not this crowd.

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 17:19
Could well have been on a charity run. Bikers often get a hammering but these runs raise a lot of funds for charities round the countryCharity run? I almost pissed myself reading that one. There is nothing charitable about this gang. They are not a club or anything of the sort. The riders are members of a Latino gang. One which likes to cause mishap and mayhem. Only this time some of them get their stupid asses run over. Serves them right.

Do they LOOK charitable to YOU?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxaqeh5oB31r5vwvko1_500.jpg

Alloa Akbar
3rd Oct 2013, 17:24
I'm sure Skydiver69 will agree that this point Sports bikers are dangerous but for different reasons is actually very true.. and I (We?) am a sports biker myself. A fair majority of accident reports available for accidents involving sports bikes in my area (Staffordshire and Derbyshire) are rider induced according to Shiny Side Up's website. Its quite sad how we regularly avoid the SMIDSY type accidents, only to scream onto the next bend, chuck it up the road and die.. seems a bit daft, but such is the lure of speed to some.

All the more reason to drive my F-250, it stamps out road raging Yamaha's with a quarter turn of the the wheel Possibly true, but again I refer to the above, Sportsbikers seem to manage it all by ourselves without well thought out and genius assistance like that.

er340790
3rd Oct 2013, 18:16
:} :} :} What the :mad: were they... a Freddie Mercury tribute gang?????????!

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 18:24
er34

No, more like a Genghis Kahn tribute gang. On two wheels.

dead_pan
3rd Oct 2013, 18:32
A fair majority of accident reports available for accidents involving sports bikes in my area (Staffordshire and Derbyshire) are rider induced according to Shiny Side Up's website.

Yup you guys are dying in your droves. Motorcycle fatalities happen around here with monotonous regularity (one last week just outside my village - biker vs telegraph pole, telegraph pole won). Also the infamous H cafe by Berinsfield is not too far distant - oh how the bikers love that stretch of road, showing off to all and sundry just before the inevitable crunch. Really can't see the appeal.

M.Mouse
3rd Oct 2013, 18:37
...oh how the bikers love that stretch of road, showing off to all and sundry just before the inevitable crunch. Really can't see the appeal.

I ride a large motorcycle and never cease to be amazed at the death wish so many riders seem to exhibit. I try hard to ride within my capabilities and also at a speed where I can safely stop on my side of the road in the distance I can see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUt57VtfU24

His comment at the end says it all apart from his crass riding from the word go!

If you can't see the appeal of a bike it might well be that you have never ridden one.

dead_pan
3rd Oct 2013, 18:37
No, more like a Genghis Kahn tribute gang. On two wheels

They look gay to me. Do you think they'd see the funny side were I to ask them?

BTW I think the one on the left is indicating the size of his pecker, hence his need to compensate...

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 18:37
We had a biker fatality in my neighborhood about 3 weeks ago.
He was on a Yamaha-ha-ha-ha. Decided to show off and do a wheelie on the main road. Unfortunately for him when he completed his theatrics his front wheel came down, at speed, into a pile of sand. Lost control - helmets are not required in Connecticut - and landed on the pavement. Only to be run over first by a truck and then by a passenger car. I guess it wasn't his lucky day.

dead_pan:

They look gay to me too. However, I'm clever enough not to make mention of this fact to them. Doing so may very well be extremely hazardous to ones health.

dead_pan
3rd Oct 2013, 18:43
If you can't see the appeal of a bike it might well be that you have never ridden one.

Ridden pillion a couple of times - held on for grim death and was convinced I was about to die. But then again I am an terrible coward :ok:

Give me a car with climate control, a nice comfy seat, cup holder, windscreen wipers, air bags, crumple zones, roll bars etc etc any day.

Editted to add: Sorry, was that video you posted intended to try and persuade me to take up biking?!

Dak Man
3rd Oct 2013, 18:43
No helmet rules, now there's a debate all in itself.

dead_pan
3rd Oct 2013, 18:46
Only to be run over first by a truck and then by a passenger car.

Wot, no road roller involved?

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 18:47
Dak Man,

There are several New England states which do not require helmets when riding a motorcycle. (CT, being the f***ed up state that it is,does not require a motorcyclist to wear a helmet but does require a bicyclist to wear one. Can you say, duh?)

Whenever I see a motorcyclist, sans helmet, riding along at oh..... 70mph... I wonder to myself: what would happen if a big, fat, gigantic, house-sized bumble bee decided to commit suicide against his head? Can you say, ouch? :}

Dak Man
3rd Oct 2013, 18:51
Agreed, it's an act of sheer lunacy (IMHO) not to wear a helmet on a motorcycle.

In teh UK, motorcyclists are referred to in the Health Service as "mobile organ donor cards"

Now, I've been a biker but I like going fast so Mrs DM put her foot down (metaphorically) and now that I am a family man with all that that entails I'm not allowed to have one, not even a Hardley Dangerousone :{:*

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 18:53
Dak Man wrote:

Now, I've been a biker but I like going fast so Mrs DM put her foot down (metaphorically) and now that I am a family man

Note the two highlighted items. Hmmmmm. Pink tutu for you too, Dak Man. :}:}

Dak Man
3rd Oct 2013, 18:58
Yep, fully paid up member of the tutu cadre

Here's mine

http://imgbin.me/image/DTLCTZUI.jpg

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 19:00
Dak Man:

A camouflage tutu: you gotta love it! Wait until 500N and SRT catch wind of that one.

I wonder if they come in digital camouflage patterns as well?!!!

Dak Man
3rd Oct 2013, 19:03
Very comfy actually, those Jocks (Scottish vernacular) know a thing or 2 about tackle management.

M.Mouse
3rd Oct 2013, 19:05
Sorry, was that video you posted intended to try and persuade me to take up biking?!

No indeed not, I quite understand that some people have no desire to rid e a bike but the video was posted to demonstrate that some motorcyclists have a death wish. In that video he was lucky not to be crushed as the lorries moved forward. Starting from the beginning he was too close to the first car he overtook, he was too close to the second car he illegally undertook then he continued to ride at probably above the speed limit and was looking a few feet in front of him totally oblivious to the hazard he was rapidly approaching. The road was dry, straight and with good visibility. No motorcyclist riding legally and safely would have come anywhere near having that accident.

It would be interesting to know the number of motorcycle accidents which are truly unavoidable by the rider.

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 19:06
That's what a Jock is in Scottish? New one on me.

A jock, here in the U.S., is one of those guys who likes to play sports a lot. And then with his girlfriend(s) afterward.

G-CPTN
3rd Oct 2013, 19:08
Then there's Jock Strapp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jockstrap).

Dak Man
3rd Oct 2013, 19:17
Yes the Scots (note not Scotch) are colloquially know as Jocks or Jockanese.

In the UK

Welsh - Taffs from Taffland (all sheep shaggers)
Scots - Jocks from Jockanese land (all alcoholics that eat babies)
Irish - Micks from Bog trotter land (all potatoe farmers)
English - well, just c**ts from England really ;)
Geordies - English but of Viking descent, speak a strange dialect - from Noocasel or Misbrah

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 19:17
I'm aware of a jock strap, G-CPTN thank you very much! I wore one, mandatory, in high school when playing lacrosse. No cup though. Whereas my son plays high school lacrosse as well. And has to wear a cup.

skydiver69
3rd Oct 2013, 19:22
rgbrock1:
We had a biker fatality in my neighborhood about 3 weeks ago.
He was on a Yamaha-ha-ha-ha. Decided to show off and do a wheelie on the main road. Unfortunately for him when he completed his theatrics his front wheel came down, at speed, into a pile of sand. Lost control - helmets are not required in Connecticut - and landed on the pavement. Only to be run over first by a truck and then by a passenger car. I guess it wasn't his lucky day.

We also had a rider who attempted to kill himself whilst showing off to friends, but dropped his bike and skidded into a railway embankment destroying his bike...except he claimed that he wasn't riding it and that he was the pillion. the icing on the cake is that he wasn't the registered owner so he can't even get the wreck back. Oh and his friends were more interested in ripping off the pillion pad and retrieving something from the cavity, than calling him an ambulance.

BabyBear
3rd Oct 2013, 19:27
And to advertise his stupidty by stupidly post the video on the web.:ugh:

Funny though.:D

Should have his licence revoked.

BB

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 19:30
People like that are a waste of oxygen. :ok:

angels
3rd Oct 2013, 19:32
Yes, a mate called from Noo Yawk earlier to see how I was (just had an op)and we got chatting about this event.

He says that the gang had various sites with clips showing their pranks and wheezes on public highways. Funnily enough they've all been removed.

So that's okay then. The Man won't be able to find any evidence because it has been removed! Chortle. They're busted.

RatherBeFlying
3rd Oct 2013, 19:41
He says that the gang had various sites with clips showing their pranks and wheezes on public highways. Funnily enough they've all been removed.Well it depends on how quick the DA is with a warrant on the servers. Unless you pull the hard drive, take apart the discs and grind off the coating, the data is still there for a while:\

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 19:42
Not to mention the backups of the servers where the chuckleheads' pranks are.

angels
3rd Oct 2013, 19:57
That's exactly what I was alluding to!

Perhaps they didn't read the Snowden articles in the Guardian....:}

austerwobbler
3rd Oct 2013, 20:29
Yes the bikes were driven intimidatingly close to the Range Rover but that doesn't give any one the right to drive right over the rider and bike like that !

Austerwobbler

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 20:31
according to an interview the SUV driver's wife gave to the local media, the entire family feared for their lives. There was a 2 year-old toddler in the SUV as well.

If I was driving a vehicle with my wife and kids in it and felt intimidated by a pack of motorcycle gangstas surrounding my vehicle and then further feared for the safety of my family, I'd mow 'em all down. Not just one.

Solid Rust Twotter
3rd Oct 2013, 20:33
That camo tutu is way too macho for a little flower like me, Mr Rock.:}

Re helmet laws, I kind of agree with the states who say it's optional. It's a bit Darwinian, but if someone chooses not to wear one, that's their problem. Eye protection being mandatory to protect other road users from a motorcyclist who can't see where he's going is the other side of that coin. Do what you want to yourself, but make sure others aren't harmed by your actions.

rgbrock1
3rd Oct 2013, 20:35
SRT:

You can then make the same argument for the use of seat belts/safety belts: optional to wear because if you don't you'll only possibly kill yourself. But seat belts are not optional.

Solid Rust Twotter
3rd Oct 2013, 20:45
You can then make the same argument for the use of seat belts/safety belts: optional to wear because if you don't you'll only possibly kill yourself. But seat belts are not optional.


Confusing, isn't it? Wonder if there was a revenue generating exercise involved, ie, wear it or cough up a fine.

cargosales
3rd Oct 2013, 21:41
They look gay to me. Do you think they'd see the funny side were I to ask them?

They do look rather like a poor man's Village People in that photo.. but do go right ahead and ask them. Just to be sure like :}



BTW I think the one on the left is indicating the size of his pecker, hence his need to compensate...

You beat me to it .. it's awfully small isn't it :{

Do feel free to ask him about it when checking out if he's gay :uhoh:

CS

finfly1
3rd Oct 2013, 21:49
My feeling for a long time has been that people who want to refuse to use seat belts or wear helmets should be allowed to ---

PROVIDED

that they sign a waiver of medical attention if getting it would in any way jeopardize the care of someone else who needed same and HAD been using safety equipment,

AND

that they certify that their spawn would never become public charges in the event of their death...either heavily insured or very wealthy.

Do what you want, stupid though it may be, but don't expect me or anyone else to pick up the tab.

gileraguy
3rd Oct 2013, 22:27
I agree with Austerwobbler. The RR driver was negligent in the first instance by running into the REAR of the rider. You cannot excuse that action. You can justify it, but in the face of the law, he is at fault.

You have to be paranoid to believe that the RR driver was victimized here. He initiated and then escalated the event precisely because of the attitude evidenced in this thread. That's how you act, that's how it goes.

Now look at the outraged anger in the Gold Coast against bikers for confirmation of this paranoia.

500N
3rd Oct 2013, 22:40
gileraguy

"Now look at the outraged anger in the Gold Coast against bikers for confirmation of this paranoia. "

Come on, jesus, what are we, the wild west ?

The guy who started the brawl between the bikers said he did so
as when he came out of the Restaurant, he had 60 of them to contend
with so started the fight to get the cops down in force.

Now those 60 Bikers turn up at a Police station and surround it
demanding the release of their mates. Yeah right, that sure is going
to get them tea and biscuits. This is metro Queensland, not some
third world country.

All they have done is bring even more focus on themselves and now
they will suffer because of it.

Relate it to the Melbourne Underworld war, while they were killing
each other off under bridges at 2.00am in the morning, no one really
cared. But once it started to occur in full view of the public, drive by
shootings etc, that was it, a task force was deployed.

So please don't be a bleeding heart for the Gold Coast bikers.

Airborne Aircrew
3rd Oct 2013, 22:52
I haven't read this thread other than the first few posts. I'm well aware of what is being reported as to what happened...

My one and only thought is:- Don't bring a motorcycle to an SUV fight.

dead_pan
3rd Oct 2013, 22:59
Yes the bikes were driven intimidatingly close to the Range Rover but that doesn't give any one the right to drive right over the rider and bike like that !

I know, but it must be terribly tempting, mustn't it?

I suppose the bikers should be thankful that Range Rover wasn't being driven by a mum on the school run, else they'd all have ended up in the hospital or morgue - those wimin' are positively lethal. She'd probably wouldn't have realised she'd hit anything until her hubby pointed out the scratches and blood on the bumpers...

WhatsaLizad?
3rd Oct 2013, 23:01
Apparently family members have set up Facebook page for the injured biker:

"Justice For Jay Meezee".

Read the comments. 96% aren't "giving up the love" for the scumbag. Absolute hilarious.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Justice-For-Jay-Meezee/411664345601619

Even funnier, somebody set up the Facebook, "Team Range Rover"

https://www.facebook.com/teamrangerover

dead_pan
3rd Oct 2013, 23:02
Do feel free to ask him about it when checking out if he's gay

I think I'll rent a Hummer, drive up alongside him and ask him through the window. If on the off-chance he does take exception, I'll scrunch his and his mates' Harleys, to stop 'em chasing after me.

500N
3rd Oct 2013, 23:08
"Even funnier, somebody set up the Facebook, "Team Range Rover""

+ 100

:D:D:D:D:D:D


That made me laugh :O :ok:

racedo
3rd Oct 2013, 23:28
No helmet rules, now there's a debate all in itself.

Darwin Nominee

racedo
3rd Oct 2013, 23:36
Kinda lucky that NYC doesn't do concealed weapons, would be interesting if both were carrying and bikers threatening and they just stopped and decide to protect themselves.

Doubt a court would convict even if they could have been Obama's buddies ..............

birrddog
3rd Oct 2013, 23:49
NYC does offer concealed weapons permits. Hard and expensive to get, though available.

500N
4th Oct 2013, 00:01
New York City and State are a nightmare of variations in gun laws.
This is esoecially so if flying into one of the 3 airports as you can
break the law even if just in transit as some hunters have found out.

WhatsaLizad?
4th Oct 2013, 00:51
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1420859121466566&set=a.1420859118133233.1073741829.1420833678135777&type=1&relevant_count=1

lomapaseo
4th Oct 2013, 01:19
It would be interesting to know the number of motorcycle accidents which are truly unavoidable by the rider.

I've had 3 all lessons learned too late

1 rounding a curve at slow speed only to find a diesel fuel spill in the road (note to self, you can't brake or turn a bike in a diesel spill)

2. Stopped at a traffic signal guy hits me head-on crippling me for life because he was facing into the sun.

3. Down shifting and braking for a traffic signal and front drum brake locked dropping me like a ton of bricks in the middle of traffic (I still have the scars).

I still rode after all that, it's like American football, you get back up and continue the game.

A Squared
4th Oct 2013, 03:39
Yes the bikes were driven intimidatingly close to the Range Rover but that doesn't give any one the right to drive right over the rider and bike like that !

Right, you're not following what happened here. Somewhere around the 0:30 the one guy pulls up alongside the SUV, appears to maybe yell something at the driver, then pulls in frond of the SUV and brakes. The helmet cam doesn't quite catch it as the rider with the helmet cam passes the conflict, but the Suv hit that rider inadvertently (Because the rider pulled in front and the braked sharply), The other riders swarmed around the stopped SUV and started beating on it, and most reports I've read report, also slashing it's tires. That's when the SUV driver drives over the bikers away, leading to the prolonged chase and two subsequent attacks toward the end of the video.

If your vehicle, with you and your family inside, is surrounded by an angry mob beating on your vehicle, a reasonable man (as the legal principle goes) would be in fear of his life or serious bodily injury, in which case use of lethal force is legally justified.

500N
4th Oct 2013, 03:48
Not how groups of riders ride in Aus or when looking at SaSless's
videos of bikers gathering.

The bike slowing down and getting hit is from 35 seconds to 50 seconds.
IMHO, the bike riders own stupid fault, no reason on a clear road to
pull up fast except to cause trouble.

Black Range Rover Runs Over Bikers in New York (Full Original) HD - YouTube

A Squared
4th Oct 2013, 03:55
I agree with Austerwobbler. The RR driver was negligent in the first instance by running into the REAR of the rider. You cannot excuse that action. You can justify it, but in the face of the law, he is at fault.

I think that is less than clear. Yes, generally, you are responsible for not running into things in front of you. But making that the sole guiding principle requires ignoring that the biker who got hit, clearly intentionally pulled in front of the SUV and braked sharply, with the obvious intent of forcing the SUV to stop, which is just as illegal and hitting something in front of you. So given that the contact occurred because of two illegal acts, one flagrantly intentional and one inadvertent, which is most relevant?

While it's not a infallible sign, it's worth noting that the police after having watched the video have arrested and charges the biker, and have not arrested the SUV driver (last I checked)

You have to be paranoid to believe that the RR driver was victimized here. He initiated ..........

Could you describe in your own words how you believe that the SUV driver "initiated" the biker pulling in front of him and braking sharply?

RatherBeFlying
4th Oct 2013, 05:31
The biker that got run over has next to no chance to recover damages from the SUV driver as he was acting in self defense.

Justice would see his biker buddies found responsible for his injuries by putting the SUV driver in fear of his and his family's life. However their motorcycle liability policy will likely not cover them for criminal acts when stopped.

tartare
4th Oct 2013, 07:33
I ride a Ducati MS2r to work and home most days.
I'm fully with the Range Rover guy.
Wastes of space like these bikers are Darwin award candidates.
If it was me in the car at the weekend with Mrs T and the two little t's - I would have mown them down too.

500N
4th Oct 2013, 07:58
Interesting article on the background of the bikers.
Seems they aren't the good boys some are saying.

"During the rides, bikers at the back of the pack often slow down to delay traffic. The move allows bikers at the front of the pack to take off, go fast, and perform stunts — but can lead to frustration for motorists."

Police said the bikers were part of a group called the “Hollywood Stuntz.” This was apparently part of an annual ride designed to draw attention and make it into Times Square.


“This is a major stunt event where motorcyclists from various locations come together,” Kelly said. “Quite frankly it wasn’t on anybody’s radar screen last year. We were aware of it this year.”
As 1010 WINS’ Carol D’Auria reported, Kelly said Tuesday that the bikers caused other problems besides the road rage incident. A total of 200 people complained to police Sunday that the bikers were being reckless on Manhattan streets, Kelly said.


The cyclists caused plenty of problems last year too, Kelly said.


“Last year, they came over 1,000 cyclists to be somewhat disruptive,” Kelly said. “They rode on the sidewalk – that sort of thing.”


In order to prevent the group from heading into Times Square this year, police set up checkpoints throughout the city. Kelly said during that effort, 15 arrests were made, 68 summonses were issued, and 55 motorcycles were confiscated."


NYPD: Biker Arrested, Others Sought In Attack On SUV Driver « CBS New York (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/01/nypd-suspects-sought-in-attack-on-suv-driver/)

dead_pan
4th Oct 2013, 12:26
Seems they aren't the good boys some are saying.

Well ain't that a massive surprise...


Police said the bikers were part of a group called the “Hollywood Stuntz.”

I think "Cupid Stuntz" would have been a more appropriate moniker.

Alloa Akbar
4th Oct 2013, 13:13
"Cupid Stuntz.. No doubt led by their "Star" rider - Warwick Hunt.. :}

superq7
4th Oct 2013, 13:17
Alloa

Or his best friend Isaac. :ok:

Nigd3
9th Oct 2013, 13:45
News reports are claiming that an undercover cop and possibly several off-duty policemen were part of the group that attacked the Range Rover.

Apparently the undercover cop was filmed hitting the rear window of the SUV

rgbrock1
9th Oct 2013, 13:49
The bit about an under cover cop being amongst the gang/bike members is correct. I'm not sure he's been fired yet but he's at a minimum being investigated by NYPD's Internal Affairs division.
He can kiss his career goodbye.

There was another undercover cop there as well but it's not certain yet if he did anything illegal. He too is under investigation and has been assigned "desk duties." His next assignment, if found guilty, will be "dog-catching duties."

500N
9th Oct 2013, 13:57
RGB

I read today in the US media that he was arrested and charged
with 3 different charges.

He said he was too far away to see what was going on
but someone had some other footage showing he was
one of the participants :rolleyes:

Don't think he will be a cop much longer.

Lonewolf_50
9th Oct 2013, 14:09
Back on page 1, someone noted "there's never a copper around when you need one."

Not only was there one, but ... WTF?

Not sure what undercover he was doing, but I suspect narco trafficking mission, deep cover. Too bad, that mission's dead. :mad:

What a mess.

rgbrock1
9th Oct 2013, 14:20
LW50:

The cop in question, actually an undercover detective, was indeed involved in investigating narco trafficking. However, at the time of the incident with the gang/bike "club" he was off-duty.

His big problem, amongst others, is that he initially lied to the NYPD Internal Affairs investigators by telling them he wasn't involved. Until someone produced video showing the detective kicking the doors of the SUV as well as helping break the back window.

If you get caught out in a lie with NYPD Internal Affairs your career is toast. Burnt toast.

So far 6 motorcyclists/gang members have been arrested by NYPD as part of the continuing investigation. The Manhattan district attorney has made it his mission to "bring the strongest possible case against these thugs and then throw the book at 'em."

Lonewolf_50
9th Oct 2013, 21:47
I lift my glass in support of the Manhattan DA. Go get 'em!

As to the cop, WTF was this guy thinking? :mad::eek:

con-pilot
9th Oct 2013, 22:01
I've seen some dunbarse cops do some pretty dumb things, including at the Federal level. But thank God 90 percent of all the LOEs I have encountered are good cops, intelligent and level headed.

But there is always that ten percent, no matter what the occupation.

G-CPTN
9th Oct 2013, 22:02
As to the cop, WTF was this guy thinking?
Didn't want to break his cover, so he just blended-in?

500N
9th Oct 2013, 22:12
He could have done that without getting involved.

radeng
9th Oct 2013, 22:35
A real problem with these biker 'charity rides' is when they lead to people being stuck in 4 mile tailback while the bikers are taken across a roundabout.

I heard of a case some time back where a guy was being driven home by his wife on a Sunday afternoon on a trip that should have taken ten minutes. He wasn't well and after a 40 minute hold-up, was going into a hypoglycaemic reaction. Because of the biker caused tailback, the result of the 999 call was that it needed the air ambulance and a hospital stay. Which is why none of these events should be allowed to cause more than a 5 minute hold up. Can't remember where I read about it, but it was tucked away where few people could see it.

That one probably cost more than the bikers raised!

The same applies to this shutting roads in Surrey for bloody bike rides - and they don't pay a penny towards the roads!

Cacophonix
9th Oct 2013, 22:37
These guys weren't Angels.

They were pussies...

Caco

500N
9th Oct 2013, 22:59
"The same applies to this shutting roads in Surrey for bloody bike rides
- and they don't pay a penny towards the roads!"

We have the same problem here in Aus.
And with fun runs as well.

(I exclude the Sydney and Melbourne Marathons
as they are international events)

Cacophonix
9th Oct 2013, 23:08
Hells Angels Johannesburg Poker Run - YouTube

Caco

500N
9th Oct 2013, 23:16
Caco

This is the front gate of the HQ of the Hells Angels in Melbourne !!!

The cops didn't muck around this time, they just pulled it
off the hinges !

The HA and others have been doing things they shouldn't
and they are now copping a lot of heat over it.

http://i40.tinypic.com/e5lqw9.jpg

Cacophonix
10th Oct 2013, 00:18
500N

Dude, the Angels are damned misunderstood worldwide...

I am sorry to see this kind of thing in Australia.

Caco

500N
10th Oct 2013, 00:24
Caco

In this instance, I'm not.

It's a bit like the Gangland Underworld war between crims we had,
while they were killing people at night, under freeway over passes,
no one really GAF.

But once they started openly killing each other in broad daylight
in public with kids 3 feet away in the same car, then watch out.

The same applies to the HA. They can do there thing but once it
involved AK47 Drive by shootings and throwing two huge petrol
bombs through the gym windows, then they can only blame themselves.

Or the Group of 60 bikers that surrounded a cop station and tried to
force their arrested mate to be released ??????

Come on, this is not the wild west, it has been brewing for a while
now and the HA (and others) brought it upon themselves.

There won't be any more gates or fortifications on any of these
HQ's from now on, they just passed a law and the cops have said
if they put it up, we will pull it down, with today being the first time
I think.

Cacophonix
10th Oct 2013, 00:33
500N

There are lot of people out there hitting on these guys and well stuff happens. You don't f*ck ([email protected]) with the Angels and they won't f*ck ([email protected]) with you.

Caco

500N
10th Oct 2013, 00:35
Agree 100%

All these issues are between 2 or 3 different clubs, hence why
the Police are cracking down on them all.


You still don't surround a Police station though !!!

John Eacott
10th Oct 2013, 00:38
Payback day in Melbourne, following on from 500N's comments on Hells Angels:

Police raid bikie gang clubhouses across Victoria (http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-raid-bikie-gang-clubhouses-across-victoria-20131010-2v9bq.html)

Knock knock?

http://images-2.drive.com.au/2013/10/10/4817931/cb_al_gaaaate_20131010100351367292-620x349.jpg

500N
10th Oct 2013, 00:43
I must say, I like the method of taking the gate out :O

I thought they might have just pulled it off with a 4WD
but they obviously wanted to make sure of it !

I would have used some PE4 and sent it to the next suburb :ok:

Cacophonix
10th Oct 2013, 00:45
But you note that this whole thing is aimed at the Angels...

Hmm...

I salute the Aussie Angels...

Caco

500N
10th Oct 2013, 00:48
Caco

TODAY's raid might have been but I can guarantee it is not
just aimed at the Angels.

The other clubs have been raided in the past couple of weeks.

Cacophonix
10th Oct 2013, 00:51
500N

I salute any guy that gets out there on his bike...

Mind you I respect the Angels...:ouch:

Caco

500N
10th Oct 2013, 00:54
Caco

Not a problem :ok:

chuks
10th Oct 2013, 08:40
Here in Germany the Angels are outlawed in some of the German states, with a ban on wearing the "colors." Well, they call themselves outlaws, so....

They make their money from drug dealing, blackmail, strong-arm tactics, and prostitution, and are generally just a wart on the backside of humanity. They have very little to do with legitimate enjoyment of riding motorcycles, these packs of "individualists," all riding similar bikes, wearing similar tats and garb, including, of course, uniforms!

The well-known Angel tactic to win respect is that they attack en masse when any individual Angel is duffed up. That's not very clever, not really fair, but it works. Then you have their paramilitary structure, which seems like a bad joke.

There's a magazine sold here in Germany that documents the rocker scene, and how "misunderstood" they are, but mostly, I think, the cops understand them perfectly, as thugs. In the mag you can see the leaders of these various gangs meeting, when they look pretty stupid, agreeing to friendship or whatever, but the writers seem to want to take them seriously.

I ride, but not like that, and you certainly won't see me standing in front of any Range Rovers while a gang of my "friends" attack its occupants, including a small child. I cannot understand anyone who expresses friendship or support for people who act in that way.

So, that "motorcyclist" may never walk again? Well, he had no business being out on the road in the first place, given that he was banned, after 17 tickets in 16 years. I suppose that he can pursue his career as a rapper from a wheelchair, if it comes to that.

500N
10th Oct 2013, 08:53
chuks

A fair assessment of what the HA do here as well. Meth labs is one thing they
seem to be into and that leads to a heap of other crime.

Quite a few states have banned the wearing of colours in certain places.

The Police have now also got the Tax Department involved
so I think the combination of all these will make life so miserable
it won't be worth it.

I reckon the Tax dept will be the one that really pisses them off
as they will tie up the people in knots and make them run around
that they have no time for other things as well as legally targeting
the families as well.

Ancient Mariner
10th Oct 2013, 09:08
It's the same over here Chucks, drug dealers and thugs in general, and like the Manhattan "bikers", oh so brave, provided they outnumber you.
No respect from me whatsoever.
Per

G-CPTN
10th Oct 2013, 11:24
Here in Germany the Angels are outlawed in some of the German states,
What was the situation in the former East Germany?

alisoncc
10th Oct 2013, 11:49
What was the situation in the former East Germany?

They are still doing time in a Gulag.

500N
10th Oct 2013, 11:58
13 Arrested, no bail :rolleyes:

Apart from the Police, $47,000 cash at one persons home,
I bet the Tax department is going have fun.

I see that new laws have just been passed allowing the taking
of "unexplained wealth" of criminals.

A Squared
10th Oct 2013, 12:03
I see that new laws have just been passed allowing the taking of "unexplained wealth" of criminals.

Allowing the government to confiscate cash or other wealth simply because it can't be explained is a really bad idea.

G-CPTN
10th Oct 2013, 12:24
Here in the UK, the Police can confiscate 'proceeds of crime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proceeds_of_Crime_Act_2002)' (cash, cars and even houses) though I believe they need a court judgement.

A Squared
10th Oct 2013, 12:29
Here in the UK, the Police can confiscate 'proceeds of crime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proceeds_of_Crime_Act_2002)' (cash, cars and even houses) though I believe they need a court judgement.

It's one thing to confiscate wealth which can be shown to be the proceeds of crime. It's quite another to confiscate wealth because the owner cannot prove that it wasn't gained thru crime. That's an important distinction, and it inverts the presumption of innocence. I don't know the details of the Australian law 500N is referring to but in the US there are various ploys which do just that, dispense with the presumption of innocence and place the burden of proof on the accused.

500N
10th Oct 2013, 12:29
A Square

Their are rules, laws etc governing it but if someone earns
say $30,000 a year according to his tax return but has a
million $ house, expensive cars, expensive bikes etc
and are convicted criminals, you reckon they should be
allowed to keep it ?

And when asked where the money came from they can't answer.

Or they pay for a $100,000 car with cash ?

chuks
10th Oct 2013, 13:20
The former East Germany has a real problem with, particularly, neo-Nazis. I don't think the biker gangs figure in that particularly, but it was so that the Communists made it out to be that West Germany had the former faschos, while the German Democratic (Hah!) Republic had no such problem. From that came no real effort at education of its young people about the reality of Nazism, so that once the shackles of Communism were off, things went a bit out of control, and have remained troubled, more troubled than here in the West, although we have our own problems too.

I have had very few encounters with these Hells Angels-style "outlaws." I used to see them loitering on St. Catherine's Street in Montreal back in the early '70's. Their favorite pose was to lie full-length on a chopped hog, feet on the bars, head propped on the sissy bar, looking ever so cool. If you gave them too long a glance, when they did look a bit odd lying there on what had to be a rather uncomfortable perch, obviously posing like fools, trouble was sure to follow.

The few times I have encountered them since, luckily not in a pack, they came off as quite snobby, acting as though they were alone at a filling station, for instance, when normal German protocol is at least a nod of recognition and a wave of the left hand, the so-called Bikergrüß. Not the Harley moles, no way!

Once I was proceeding in a southerly direction on Wisconsin Avenue in our nation's capital, just short of Georgetown, when I had an odd feeling that "something is wrong with this picture." A glance in the inside rear view mirror of my mother's Volvo 245 Turbo showed only a set of chrome bars and the word "DROF," "FORD" spelled backwards. One of those bad-ass types had fastened himself, limpet-like, to my rear bumper in light traffic, driving his big, bright red Ford pick-up truck. Simply passing me, since I was dawdling along at just over the speed limit, was not good enough, I guess.

I tapped the brakes a few times, giving him a polite hint to back off. When that went ignored, I gently but firmly came to a full stop in the middle of the block and then waited patiently to see what would happen next, with this muppet now helplessly pinned to my bumper, and traffic flowing past on both sides.

The moment I saw "DROF" getting smaller, I took off like a bat out of hell. Of course my new playmate tried very hard to get in front of me and, I suppose, give me a "brake check," but a Volvo Turbo against a pick-up truck? No chance of that, so that he finally peeled off onto 33rd Street, to be seen no more. On the back of the truck was, yes, a Harley-Davidson logo! As we used to joke:

Why is a Harley like a German Shepherd?

They both like to ride in the back of pick-up trucks!

The crowd in question in Queens come from a completely different underclass of biker. I don't know how, exactly, to classify them, but they seem to be formed from the same elements as sidewalk skateboarders and graffiti "artists": young or youngish people who enjoy annoying the general population with their nonsense.

It seems as if this Queens biker gang simply wanted all the straight citizens to obey their commands, to pull over and leave the boulevard free for them to do their "show-off" thing for awhile. Perhaps that Range Rover driver simply did not understand what they wanted, or perhaps he was in a bad mood that day, and then things quickly spiraled out of control. Hands up, anyone who can defend frightening a mother with a small child! Anyone? Speak up now or forever hold your peace.

Their bad luck was picking on an Asian. If that had been a white guy, an attorney perhaps, then Al Sharpton and Barack Obama would be crying for his blood. "If I had a son, he would look just like Edwin Mieses."

Anyone who has traveled on the Paris Peripherique has experienced extreme damn-fool riding from young guys on scooters, any day of the week. That's normal for Paris, I guess. There was a guy who claimed some sort of speed record on that route on a superbike, until he killed himself doing that.

Then there is, or perhaps was, "Ghost Rider," from Stockholm, Sweden, who starred in self-shot videos of his riding a Yamaha R-1 at insane speeds in city traffic with the cops in vain pursuit. He even had his own line of blacked-out biker gear.

A British biker mag used to feature some American stunt riders, "Starboyz," I think they called themselves, who did their thing in city traffic as well: insanely risky, downright anti-social riding, when that might have been the point.

radeng
10th Oct 2013, 14:41
Bike riders in the south of France appear to have a collective death wish, judging by the way they ride in the rush hour traffic going to/from Sophia Antipolis.

None of the above
10th Oct 2013, 16:55
I had a vague recollection of Hell's Angels owning a semi-detached house in Windsor and not being perfect neighbours, so to speak.

A bit of Googling came up with this:

WINDSOR, ENGLAND WINDSOR, England (AP) _ A board cut the tax on Patricia McSorley's house to $1.59 Tuesday because Hell's Angels live next door. She said they hold ax-throwing contests, shoot birds and strip naked in front of neighbors. Full article here: AP Archive. (http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1987/Tax-on-House-Cut-to-$1-59-Because-of-Hell-s-Angels/id-a5e2c698bff9e56e22b88676de65155b)

There's a similar account in Outlaws: Inside the Hell's Angel Biker Wars (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=slOulis97A4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Outlaws:+Inside+the+Hells+Angel+Biker+Wars&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9sxWUqi0NcK80QX1poGQBA&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Outlaws%3A%20Inside%20the%20Hells%20Angel%20Biker%20Wars&f=false)