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Wxgeek
30th Sep 2013, 19:14
I watched this on Youtube. Its a long vid at 2 1/2 hours but very interesting.

A great story of Brit and Yank cooperation and how technology and bravery helped turn the tide in favour of the Allies.

U Boat War : Documentary on the Submarine Battle of World War 2

El Grifo
9th Oct 2013, 14:37
I have long been interested in U boat activity around the south of Fuerteventura and the port of La Luz in Las Palmas Gran Canaria.

It all took place in Franco´s time and as such is a bit of an embarrassment.

Was there any reference to any such think can I ask ?

El Grifo

Wxgeek
9th Oct 2013, 14:47
Battle of the Atlantic mostly from 1939 onwards.

El Grifo
9th Oct 2013, 15:46
References in that part or what ?

El G.

Wxgeek
9th Oct 2013, 16:07
The main theme that I enjoyed was when the British applied a new technology or tactics to counter U-boats they were successful and the Germans were slow to counter the new technology. Even with the British effort the U-boats came very close to starving Britain at the height of the battle.

I also didn't realize the loss of life and tonnage off America's east and gulf coasts was large as it was. The German U-boaters called it their "Happy times" afterwards. It took several months for the US to realize the threat and adopt tactics to counter the Uboats.

tony draper
9th Oct 2013, 16:48
From what I read it took several months for them to take note of the advice given to them by the Brits at the outbreak of hostilities,also down to some dippy Admiral who said it would be showing cowardice to do things like turn out lights along the coast and to sail merchant ships unlit,they should have taken that arsole stuck him agin a wall and shot the fecker,he cost hundreds of American Merchant Seamen's lives.
:uhoh:

Wxgeek
9th Oct 2013, 21:42
That would be Admiral E. King (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral_King#World_War_Two)

Cacophonix
9th Oct 2013, 21:45
Watch Das Boot mein Kameraad.

Caco

tony draper
9th Oct 2013, 21:59
Had a library book once so long ago I dont recall the title or author,or even if it was fiction or factual (I think it was factual) twas about a U boat immediately after the German surrender where the Captain and crew agree to do a runner for South America rather than sail their vessel to one of the agreed surrender ports.
The Allies knew they had gone adrift and the thought was that old Adolf himself might be aboard,so it was hunted right across the Atlantic and down the South American coast.
Remember it as a good read,dont recall if they made it or not.
Me memory is not what it was.
:(

El Grifo
9th Oct 2013, 21:59
Oh well, I will continue to search.

Meanwhile, if anyone is interested, " Villa Winter"

El G.

Robert Cooper
10th Oct 2013, 03:33
One of the best historical records of the German attack against the US East Coast in WWII is "Operation Drumbeat" by Michael Gannon. Includes factual accounts from U-Boat captains.

Bob C

mikedreamer787
10th Oct 2013, 05:00
Watch Das Boot mein Kameraad.

One of my faves Caco. "I am not in the condition to fcuk."

Another was 'Unterseeboot'.

While I totally despise the Nazi war machine in all its forms,
including naval, I must admit the krauts really knew how to
build a bloody boat.

Blacksheep
10th Oct 2013, 07:08
My Dad remembered the U-boat war in a different way to the way it is often presented. Well he would. He was there.

Usually, when a U-boat was destroyed the only evidence was the air bubble, oil and body parts that came to the surface. In the case of U845, four ships of Escort Group C1 kept it down for several hours, dropping 125 depth charges on it. U845 eventually came to the surface when the batteries were flat and made a running surface fight out of it. The survivors were picked up, cleaned down, given clean dry clothes and were then locked down in the stoker's messdeck, which was secure and without deadlights. The following day they were set to work on the daily roster, cleaning the decks, peeling spuds, polishing brass - the usual daily chores in a ship of war. HMS Forester's crew found they were simple seamen, much like themselves, fighting a dirty war in hard, squalid conditions. The prisoners were landed in Londonderry and from there went to POW camps in Canada.

The crew of HMS Forester (not many left now) have a ship's company association and remain in contact with surviving crew members of U845. The original skipper named Behrens wasn't Nazi enough for Adm. Reider and was replaced with a more politically acceptable but less capable man, who lost the boat on its first patrol. Behrens became a Baptist minister after the war.

Nervous SLF
10th Oct 2013, 07:23
I have an old book called "Up Periscope" that was printed during WW2 and is all about British Submarine patrols.

Found it ! My edition was published by Eyre & Spottiswoode in March 1943. The first and second Impressions were
printed in September 1942.

"This book is produced in complete conformity with the authorised economy standard"

Union Jack
10th Oct 2013, 08:18
I have long been interested in U boat activity around the south of Fuerteventura and the port of La Luz in Las Palmas Gran Canaria.
It all took place in Franco´s time and as such is a bit of an embarrassment.
Was there any reference to any such think can I ask?

Quitre an interesting German link which may be of interest, El G,
U-Boats in Spain... (http://www.u-boot-archiv-cuxhaven.de/lang1/u-boats_in_spain.html) , since it makes several references to Las Palmas (of blessed personal memory ....:E) as well, perhaps, to the story Tony Draper refers to regarding U-977's voyage to Argentina.

....... and a wee shoogle with Gurgle produces some intriguing theories as to whether or not there was a hidden U-boat boat base on a windy island.:hmm:

Jack

El Grifo
10th Oct 2013, 09:20
Thanks for that Jack !

To be fair, I and a few others have researched the subject for years now and have come up with the same conclusion regarding secret underground base.

However the mystery does not end there.

There is no doubt that the the expansive beaches of Southern Fuerteventura and the entire area, was sold to Gustav Winter, a prominent German military engineer, just before the war.

Winter had already constructed a fish processing plant in Morro Jable as well as a fortified heavily guarded "Villa" in the remotest of remote areas on the other side of the island as well.

A huge agricultural project was launched there, until recently equipment and machinery could be found there in the locked buildings.

Narrow gauage railtracks used to be visible, but they two have vanished in the last 10 years, only the mining bogies remain .

There is no doubt whatsoever that extensive tunneling took place.
Local knowledge talks of large explosions both in the area and around Ajuy, another mysterious area were heard for several days after the end of the war.

To the "Villa" itself. It is constructed on several levels and we have penetrated several. The normal living area looks pretty much like anywhere else. That is where the similarity ends.

There is a large robust tower protruding from the top and all of the roof spaces are constructed like habitation cells each with a power socket. There are many of these.
The lowest part of the building that we are able to access has an entire row of individual spaces each equipped with sink and seperate toiet area, the entire area being tiled with large white ceramic tiles.

The first impressing being that of hospital or treatment type rooms.

It is generally believed by those that have researched the area, that the fish processing plant and the extensive agricultural work was in existence to supply the U boats.
There may have been a plan at one time to construct an underground base at one time, but it did not come to fruition.

It is considered that the prime role Villa Winter played, was the housing and movement of prominent Nazis by U boat to South America along with their share of the war spoils, which were flown into the nearby airstrip and stored in the constructed tunnels.

Wilder notions talk of the ceramic tiled rooms underneath the house to be treatment rooms or even areas where plastic surgery type operations took place, prior to any transit.

There is loads more to this story an this is but a flavour.

Something important was going on in the South of Fuerteventura before during and after the war years.

Finding any recorded history is well nigh impossible.

El Grifo.

oxenos
10th Oct 2013, 18:15
Wxgeek,
A good film, which I had not seen before - Thank you.