Citation down KSMO-LA area.

[West Coast]

Small Plane Crashes at Santa Monica Airport | NBC Southern California (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Small-Plane-Crashes-at-Santa-Monica-Airport-225740681.html)

Hoping for the best. Lots of friends fly Citations, fingers crossed.

[westhawk]

Let me preface the following by saying that all reports given so soon after an aircraft accident should rightfully be viewed with appropriate suspicion until sometime later when the facts have been confirmed. That said, early reports may establish a few facts that will stand the test of time.

Just caught a little bit of the KTLA channel 5 news. The video makes it look pretty much unsurvivable, but of course it's too early for anyone to confirm anything. Eyewitness reports make it seem as though a hard landing and loss of control led to a runway excursion off NW side of Rwy 03/21, ending in a collision with a hangar and subsequent explosion and fire.

News reports also indicate the flight originated in Hailey, ID (KSUN) and the airplane, a Cessna jet is registered to a corporation with a Malibu, CA address.

Again I have not verified any of the reports through my own sources yet but plan to do so.

[His dudeness]

That report you linked says "The building actually collapsed and wrapped itself around the plane," he said. The wreckage was fully engulfed in flames when firefighters arrived, he said"

.... that does not sound good indeed.

[robbreid]

N194SJ CJ2 based at Santa Monica, owner lives in Malibu.
Veered off runway upon landing for unknown reasons and hit hanger in what is reported as an unsurvivable accident.

Unconfirmed as 1 person on board.

N194SJ ? 29-Sep-2013 ? KSUN - KSMO ? FlightAware (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N194SJ/history/20130929/2300Z/KSUN/KSMO)

[robbreid]

Just watched the morning KTLA, plus Liveatc has the recording.

N194SJ was landing behind a Learjet, pilot reported no problems, tower just states runway closed - Citation just ran off the runway.

Aircraft departed the right side of runway 21 near the end and hit the last small hangars on the right side.

Right next to the hangars are houses, end of the runway was houses - only spot that wasn't houses was the small hangar.

I'm not commenting on the cause - but 630pm on a Sunday night, if the pilot had chosen anywhere other than the hangar it could have easily been far worse.

[robbreid]

Witness stated the aircraft veered to right of runway - with a wing striking one of these two poles;

Santa Monica Municipal Airport @ OurAirports (http://www.ourairports.com/airports/KSMO/#lat=34.013476150494384,lon=-118.45467567443848,zoom=20,type=Satellite,airport=KSMO)

the aircraft then spun into the hangar; debris can be seen beside the runway prior to striking the hangar;

http://o2.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/quality/82/resize/442x295/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/65b3d4ab535c87f623b0646a5266f0b6

Smoke appeared about 30 seconds later, about two minutes later the aircraft exploded. (according to witness).

[talkpedlar]

..just thinking out loud..

CitationJet proven to be safe...easy to fly too with the necessary experience and training.

On the other hand, too many entry-level jets (not just Cessnas) seem to be lost as a result of loss of control after landing long.

A tragedy all the same and I stand to be corrected.

[acutabove007]

Not sure if this has been covered and apologies if it has been, but I cant find it.

Seems like a Citation has crashed into a hangar in Santa Monica Airport

CNN are saying no survivors on board the aircraft...

Plane crashes at Santa Monica Airport, no survivors - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/29/us/california-plane-crash/?hpt=hp_t2)

Small plane flying from Idaho resort town crashes at Santa Monica, Calif., airport - U.S. News (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/29/20748741-small-plane-flying-from-idaho-resort-town-crashes-at-santa-monica-calif-airport?lite)

[flarepilot]

HI...talkpedlar has a point.

I recall a citation over run along the california coast...was it oceanside, carlsbad or somewhere there.

all planes should be landed on target speed in the touchdown zone and if you can't do that as a pilot you should not be flying

A simple commercial pilot lic requires demonstrating touchdown within 200' of a spot.

spot landings require understanding and practice and discipline.

[robbreid]

I can recall 3 Citation over runs in California - but I'm guessing the one your thinking of was N86CE Citation V in Jan 2006, 2 fatalities, 2 survivors.

SEA06MA047 (http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20060202X00149&key=1)

PROBABLE CAUSE: "The captain's delayed decision to execute a balked landing (go-around) during the landing roll. Factors contributing to the accident include the captain's improper decision to land with a tailwind, his excessive airspeed on final approach, and his failure to attain a proper touchdown point during landing."

[Tray Surfer]

Just to add, my thoughts of condolence to anyone involved. Never nice to hear of any incident involving an aircraft and a fellow flyer.

[Teldorserious]

Well at some point we will get the speed over the numbers, touch down point, prevailing winds. Tends to tell the tale.

That said a veer, can indicate a blown tire, which is a whole nother discussion on correct tire inflation, a sore subject with Cessna. Certainly something could have been on the runway like the Concord deal. Scary could be a busted control cable, rendering rudders useless, maybe even a locked or screwed up anti-skid, something I have seen as well.

The Citation community is pretty small, people tend to bump into each other over the years at school. Condolences to the families.

[robbreid]

NTSB has suspended the investigation due to shut down by USA Govt.

Aircraft remains will be placed in a secure storage, until NTSB can re-start the investigation.

Fatalities were owner/pilot, his son, son's girl friend, Senior Project Mgr (female) with owners company, 2 cats, and a Golden Retriever named 'Jake'.

[ExSp33db1rd]

Very sad, and unfortunately it will only give strength to those who want to close down SMO. There is a very good article opposing this point of view in the Flying Magazine e-magazine dated 1st Oct.

[robbreid]

NTSB Identification: WPR13FA430
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, September 29, 2013 in Santa Monica, CA
Aircraft: CESSNA 525A, registration: N194SJ
Injuries: 4 Fatal.
This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. NTSB investigators either traveled in support of this investigation or conducted a significant amount of investigative work without any travel, and used data obtained from various sources to prepare this aircraft accident report.

On September 29, 2013, at 1820 Pacific daylight time, a Cessna 525A Citation, N194SJ, veered off the right side of runway 21 and collided with a hangar at the Santa Monica Municipal Airport, Santa Monica, California. The private pilot and three passengers were fatally injured, and the airplane was destroyed by a post-crash fire. The airplane was registered to CREX-MML LLC, and operated by the pilot as a 14 Code of Federal Regulations, Part 91 flight. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed for the flight, which operated on an instrument flight rules flight plan. The flight originated at Hailey, Idaho, about 1614.

Witnesses reported observing the airplane make a normal approach and landing. The airplane traveled down the right side of the runway, eventually veered off the runway, impacted the 1,000-foot runway distance remaining sign, continued to travel in a right-hand turn, and impacted a hangar structural post with the right wing. The airplane came to rest inside the hangar and the damage to the hangar structure caused the roof to collapse onto the airplane. A post-accident fire quickly ensued.

On-scene examination of the wreckage and runway revealed that there was no airplane debris on the runway. The three landing gear tires were inflated and exhibited no unusual wear patterns. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) control tower local controller reported that the pilot did not express over the radio any problems prior to or during the landing.

[flarepilot]

plane landing on runway 21, local time near sunset...momentarily blinding of pilot by sun glinting off some building's windows?