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jackieofalltrades
25th Sep 2013, 13:26
I saw this link on a friend's facebook page, and it got my attention.
Are there really people who think they are so privileged that they will hire disabled people so that their kids don't have to wait in line at Disney.

Rich Manhattan moms hire handicapped tour guides so kids can cut lines at Disney World | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2013/05/14/rich-manhattan-moms-hire-handicapped-tour-guides-so-kids-can-cut-lines-at-disney-world/)

Having read into what Disney used to offer, I thought it was great of the company to offer something that helps families with children on the Autistic Spectrum to enjoy what would otherwise be an impossible experience. But to find that Disney have now had to stop this because some rich folk think they're too good to wait their turn like everyone else is so sad. And despicable of those folks exploiting the system.

SpringHeeledJack
25th Sep 2013, 13:37
I'd heard of this from a friend a few months ago after they visited Disneylandworld (can't remember which one) and had witnessed said practice. They thought that it was pretty low, from a fairplay standpoint, but laughed at the entrepreneurial chutzpah of the disabled 'escorts'. I'm probably being cynical in thinking that there might be an able bodied person in the mix doing the pimping :hmm:


SHJ

dazdaz1
25th Sep 2013, 13:57
I do it all the time at LGW hire the on site old granny in wheel chair, hit check in (megga queue jump) a breeze. Pay her off in Rumanian Leu, sorted.

Daz

Effluent Man
25th Sep 2013, 13:59
Or at least able minded?

twb3
25th Sep 2013, 14:04
It looks like Disney is going to change its policy so as to eliminate queue-jumping: Disney tightens up resort disability program - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/23/travel/disney-disability-policy-changes/index.html?iref=allsearch)

New policy is apparently to issue disabled guests an entry time based on length of queue, but not to require them to physically stand in the queue.

mikedreamer787
25th Sep 2013, 14:07
I hate queues esp bloody long ones. Its a right piss off.
So I don't blame any of these well-heeled hiring broken
down geriatrics to assist 'em in jumping any queue. If I
had the cash I'd do exactly the same.

If Disney, banks, the DMV etc just hired enough staff
there would not be long queues - hence queue-jumping
would disappear overnight.

rgbrock1
25th Sep 2013, 14:07
During the release of Apple Inc.'s latest iPhone iterations (5s and 5c) last Friday there were "people" who hired homeless men and women to stand for hours in line outside Apple stores in their stead. Of course money was promised to the homeless for doing so.

In many cases there were reports by the police of the homeless not only not being paid for standing in hours-long lines, but several were physically assaulted once the homeless person got to the front of the line and his, or her, services were no longer required. (The assaults were in lieu of payment.)

rgbrock1
25th Sep 2013, 14:11
mikedreamer:

It's one thing to hire a geriatric to stand in line for you at DizzyLand. It's a completely different thing to hire someone who is "mentally challenged" to do so. As a father of a son who is on the so-called "Autism spectrum" I take exception to the use, or abuse, of any mentally challenged individual for nefarious, or questionable, intentions. It's just f***ing wrong.

airship
25th Sep 2013, 14:24
Facebook discussions should remain within the confines of Facebook IMHO.

This is PPRuNe - JetBlast (a subsidiary of Internet Brands Inc.). Why bring your petty problems and discussions originating from Facebook over here? Facebook are much richer than Internet Brands after all. If you have a complaint about any Facebook discussion, please address Facebook in future.

FWIW, I've never been a member of Facebook, nor do I intend to be. Ever.

UniFoxOs
25th Sep 2013, 14:30
It's a JB-type thread, no matter how it started.

If Disney, banks, the DMV etc just hired enough staff
there would not be long queues

Concur about banks etc., but Disney haven't got enough hardware to cope with peak times - and I don't suppose it would be cost-effective to do so.

Method. As soon as the gates open, go straight to the far end of the site. Work your way back towards the start. As soon as you start hitting queues, keep a lookout and join the shortest ones. You cover all the rides eventually

A bit more walking, but it works.

mikedreamer787
25th Sep 2013, 14:37
It's a completely different thing to hire someone
who is "mentally challenged" to do so.

I agree RGB - I didn't mention anything of hiring mental
cases - I was talking about hiring the homeless burnt-out
crumblies who could use a few bucks while at the same
time providing a proxy queue service. Everyone's happy.

wings folded
25th Sep 2013, 14:41
rgbrock

Not everyone with a disability is a geriatric. I have a disabilty and the badge that goes with it. I am not geriatric. I am allowed here to have an assistant to help me with stairs, ramps and so forth. One assistant, note.

I cannot stand in a queue (line) for too long without it causing distress.

Hawkers of their privilege to shorten their wait in lines should have their privilege withdrawn, because they are making life much harder for proper deserving cases.

I do not need six kids to help me visit Disney. In fact, I need nobody, because I do not want to go there, but that is a different story.

rgbrock1
25th Sep 2013, 14:47
wings:

Where did I ever state that everyone with a disability is a geriatric? Hmmm, nowhere I see.

I'm well aware of the difficulties people with physical and mental handicaps have. As I stated, my son is autistic so he is obviously mentally "handicapped". (Not really. As his school's computer system found out. Or finds out once a week after he hacks all the administrator passwords and logs in.) My nephew has two prosthetic legs of the titanium type. (To replace his two fleshy legs which were blown off by an IED in Iraq back in '04) I'm aware of the difficulties he sometimes encounters.

So, no, I do not at all think everyone with a disability is a geriatric case.

wings folded
25th Sep 2013, 14:49
It's one thing to hire a geriatric to stand in line for you at DizzyLand.
sorry rgb, maybe I misconstrued.

superq7
25th Sep 2013, 14:55
WF
I agree with you I have a severely Autistic son aged 23 but he is as strong as an ox and can queue up just like the rest of us I wouldn't dream of asking for special treatment for him, ok sometimes he makes funny noises etc but as soon as you mention that he is Autistic most people quickly understand.

jackieofalltrades
25th Sep 2013, 15:07
airship:
Facebook discussions should remain within the confines of Facebook IMHO.

This is PPRuNe - JetBlast (a subsidiary of Internet Brands Inc.). Why bring your petty problems and discussions originating from Facebook over here? Facebook are much richer than Internet Brands after all. If you have a complaint about any Facebook discussion, please address Facebook in future.

FWIW, I've never been a member of Facebook, nor do I intend to be. Ever.

Not quite sure what your issue is! I mentioned Facebook because that is where I saw the link. Had I just posted the link without the mention of FB would you be so against this discussion on Jet Blast?

In my opinion, people abusing a system set in place to aid children on the autistic spectrum is not a petty problem. I posted it on here because often there is valued discussion and points brought up which I was interested in seeing. Jet Blast is the right forum for such a discussion. If you don't like it, don't read it.

wings folded
25th Sep 2013, 15:08
superq7 and rgb

Disabilities take many forms, and I am saddened that you both have within your family circle disabilities which are not readily visible, not understood by people at large. My own disability is readily obvious, but I am often not taken too seriously when vying for a seat in a train, for example, in competition with a helmeted lycra clad cyclist whose bicycle obstructs the other seat.

Not too long ago, a really nice chap aged, I think, about ninety, left his seat and invited me to to take it. Opposite him was a young bint, chatting away inanely on her mobile. When I thanked him for his gesture, but mentioned that perhaps miss mobile phone could release her seat, we got a torrent of abuse.

I would have cheerfully chucked her onto the tracks.

rgbrock1
25th Sep 2013, 15:13
miss mobile phone's torrent of abuse surprises me in not the least. It is of my not so humble opinion that Ms. Mobile PhoneFace is representative of many of today's youth, not all, but too many. Those traits being: self-centered, self-important, pseudo-narcissistic and oh so totally dumb and ignorant of the world around them.

I despair about so many of today's youth. And fear for the future when they "come of age."

airship
25th Sep 2013, 15:59
jackieofalltrades wrote: Not quite sure what your issue is! I mentioned Facebook because that is where I saw the link. Had I just posted the link without the mention of FB would you be so against this discussion on Jet Blast?

In short, probably not. You should "make up your own mind" over where you decide to post, either here in JB or Facebook, (or both - not recommended). Apart from my personal opinion of Facebook - just another classic "pyramid" scheme to entice investors based on probably illegal-use of personal data are concerned.

Numerous other social websites also operate similarly suspiciously. For example, I regularly get emails from Linked-in (or similar), somehow "personal invitations" to join their network from another member. I suspect that these emails originate directly from their websites, using databases of email addresses available worldwide (for a sum) and sent out as if they were from a registered member etc. All done in the hope you will register as member, presumably inflating their "worth" artificially aka. Facebook, which apparently had over 1/5th of the total world population as registered members even 2-3 years ago...?! :rolleyes:

So, jackieofalltrades, if your purpose was just another initiative to promote Facebook, you'd better review your copie...?! :}

perantau
25th Sep 2013, 16:50
At Singapore's Universal Studios, a priority line is available for those willing to pay extra.

jackieofalltrades
25th Sep 2013, 17:21
Airship:

So, jackieofalltrades, if your purpose was just another initiative to promote Facebook, you'd better review your copie...?!

You obviously have completely failed to understand the whole point of my posting and creating the thread. It was to begin a discussion on rich, self-important folk who will stoop to any tactic because they think they are better than the rest of the world. Such tactic has now affected many families with disabled children in a very negative way.

That is what this thread is about. Period.

If you actually read what I wrote, you will see I said I "saw", not "I've been in discussion on Facebook and want to start another discussion elsewhere."

Take your pathetic hatred and conspiracy theories about social media and start your own thread to spout your bile. Don't clog this thread.

charliegolf
25th Sep 2013, 17:24
I despair about so many of today's youth. And fear for the future when they "come of age."

RGB, you normally wear your pride in your armed forces on your sleeve for all to read about- I bet lots of the yoofs we moan about on here will eventually join the bunch who have earned your respect.

We can hope.:ok:

rgbrock1
25th Sep 2013, 17:33
charliegolf wrote:

I bet lots of the yoofs we moan about on here will eventually join the bunch who have earned your respect.Doubtful. That might be the case in your location: Wales? but the majority of yoof in this country don't have time for such piddley shit. There are too many iPhones to be bought and too much time to worry about whom to text next. (Preferably while driving.) No time to worry about trivial bullshit like serving your country.

Which is why, in my not so humble opinion, that I believe the U.S. should re-institute the draft. Make it mandatory for all males, and optional for females, of age 18 to serve a minimum of 2 years in the military branch of their choosing.

Might give a different perspective on life to some of the unmotivated punk asses I see walking around all day with obviously f**k all else to do. Drill sergeants have a way of motiving those who are normally not motivated. In a big way.

wings folded
25th Sep 2013, 17:46
how very sad that a serious discussion of abuse by disabled badge holders has declined into this. People who use their rightly earned entitlements to a badge for monetary reward are below contempt. I have a badge. I do not abuse it. I allow worse off people than me to use their privilege if their need supercedes mine. It is called decencey.

rgbrock1
25th Sep 2013, 18:04
Yes, it is decency wings.

Don't know what you mean by a "badge" though. If you mean one of those handicapped cards we have in the States then, yes, I know of which you speak.

Unfortunately here in the States those handicap cards, hung from the rear view mirror of an auto, are often abused by non-deserving people: usually of the fat sort who refuse to walk anywhere (even though they can), so they go to the local issuing authority whining about being a fat slob who can't park too far away from the local McDonalds front door. (From which you can see them exit, carrying a suitcase-sized paper bag containing 1,373 cheeseburgers. With a diet Coke of course.)

wings folded
25th Sep 2013, 18:22
yes rgb. a badge is a handicapped card

a badge is something we give to folk who have a difficulty in life. makes their life easier. not to be abused, though.

I have one. It does mean that I can open the car door fully, to get out or in, because disabled spaces are wider than most. And I can park close to where I need to be

And thanks for correcting my spelling of decency. !!

rgbrock1
25th Sep 2013, 18:27
wings:

And I'm sure you are very deserving of the handicap card. Unfortunately over here I have seen those same cards abused in many ways. In New York, for example, you really have to prove you need one. An obvious handicap being one of such proofs.

In Connecticrap, on the other hand, they're given out like candy.
You can go into the local Motor Vehicle office with a fake limp and declare your inability to walk much further than 10' and you will be rewarded with a handicap card. Disgusting is what it is.

OFSO
25th Sep 2013, 18:29
Many years ago a friend who had been stationed with the Army in N. Africa told me that villagers would bring out an old granny (who was presumably already near to death) and throw her in front of their trucks to get compensation. I wrote "an old granny" but I don't know if it was always the same one.

The squaddies normally managed to stop without hitting said granny and while they were dragging her off the road the locals would pop out from behind a rock and would be robbing their truck. The practice came to an abrupt stop when they implemented their CO's orders not to stop when faced with an old granny in road.

rgbrock1
25th Sep 2013, 18:34
OFSO wrote:

Many years ago a friend who had been stationed with the Army in N. Africa told me that villagers would bring out an old granny (who was presumably already near to death) and throw her in front of their trucks to get compensation

Hmm. I wonder how much compensation I can get for my Mother-in-law by doing that?

wings folded
25th Sep 2013, 18:40
Unfortunately over here I have seen those same cards abused in many ways
Here, too, hence they have got a lot more strict, and only "real" cases get the badge. Mine was up for renewal at the end of the month. Those who decide thought that my case was sound. So it will be renewed.

Ancient Observer
25th Sep 2013, 19:31
Not exactly Disney.
I go to soccer games in North London.
Parking anywhere near the grounds is severely limited.

About half of the severely limited places are taken up by disabled badge holders. They are often 4wd Range Rovers and the like, driven by large perfectly well males with their mates getting in next to them.

rgbrock1
25th Sep 2013, 19:34
AO:

I have seen a rather rotund guy get off his handicap card-equipped Harley motorcycle after parking it in the handicap parking area and hoofing it on foot to a cafeteria. Shameful.

con-pilot
25th Sep 2013, 21:07
WF

I cannot stand in a queue (line) for too long without it causing distress.


It looks like we have a lot more in common that first thought. I as well cannot stand in a queue for any length of time. Not only does doing such cause distress, it can also cause me to fall down, something I becoming an expert at. I have discovered that using a cane/walking stick does help.

But I've yet to reach the stage that I must use one of those little electric carts while shopping. Despite the fact that my doctor has told me to. However, I do use my handicap placard (badge) for convenient parking spots, unless I see someone that needs it worse than I, such as people in wheelchairs.

But now that I think about it, for five hundred bucks, I might, just might mind you, help someone cut the queue. Naw, let's make a thousand dollars. No sense selling oneself low. :p

Shoot, do that three four times a day, that would make a nice supplement to my retirement income. :E

Andu
25th Sep 2013, 21:46
Haven't read all posts, so apologies if this has been covered already.

The airline I used to work for carries a very large number of people from a part of the world that sticks out in a southerly direction into a very big ocean that isn't the Pacific and nor is it the Atlantic. Cryptic enough for most of you?

For as long as I can remember, on virtually every flight where the majority of passengers came from that place I've described above, we would require more than 20 (and sometimes considerably more) wheelchairs for our passengers, (who of course would be wheeled straight to the head of the queue at the immigration check).

... and having passed through the immigration check, 90% of these disabled people would magically be cured - and they would arise and walk, unassisted!

Loose rivets
25th Sep 2013, 21:57
I was talking about hiring the homeless burnt-out
crumblies


At last! A job opportunity.:}

TWT
25th Sep 2013, 22:08
At some hospitals here you can see expensive Mercs,BMW's and sometimes a Bentley parked all day in the handicapped spaces.Their owners are the doctors/surgeons in the said hospital who purchase and apply a handicapped sticker to their window.And no,they're not handicapped.

RAC/OPS
25th Sep 2013, 22:11
Hmmmm, not that rich if they can't privately hire the place for the day!

wings folded
26th Sep 2013, 02:29
it can also cause me to fall down, something I becoming an expert at. I am pretty good at that too. And do you get peeved when folk believe that you have over-indulged in distilled beer, whereas you have, for whatever reason, not yet tackled a decent drop? I would like sometimes for people to walk (no, shuffle, actually) in my shoes so as to know what it means.

But life is good, so when the topple is not induced by the tipple, I get over it and I bet you do too.

ExSp33db1rd
26th Sep 2013, 05:33
In Connecticrap, on the other hand, they're given out like candy.

I think they must be in Santa Monica, CA. as well ? There the "Handicapped" not only get parking spots nearest the MacD.entrance, but are also allowed to occupy "normal" street parking meter spots without paying.

On my recent visit I guarantee that 90% of all meters were constantly taken up by cars bearing the swinging badge on their mirror, Mercs. BMW's, Lexus, 4WD monstrosities, the lot, even saw a couple of able-bodied contractors using them on their business trucks loaded with construction material, to park near their current job. Crazy.

Mind you - we have a genuine handicapped friend who likes me to drive when we go out together - I enjoyed driving along Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood, and parking right outside the cinema !!

When the boot is on the other foot, it's the best system going !

ExXB
26th Sep 2013, 09:42
I hate queues esp bloody long ones. Its a right piss off.

One of my favourite quotes, from an ex-yankee catcher and coach:

Nobody goes there any more, because it's too crowded.

moosp
26th Sep 2013, 12:10
This is somewhere in Friday Jokes but...

So when I parked in a Disabled spot outside the supermarket I leaped out of the car and an interfering old granny called across to me, "Hey you're not disabled"

"Fcku off b*tch I'm crippled with Tourettes" says I.

rgbrock1
26th Sep 2013, 12:44
exXB wrote:

One of my favourite quotes, from an ex-yankee catcher and coach:

Nobody goes there any more, because it's too crowded.

None other than Yogi Berra!!!