TATA SINGAPORE Airline

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With the news

Singapore Airlines, Tatas to float $100m airline - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Singapore-Airlines-Tatas-to-float-100m-airline/articleshow/22775510.cms)

Tata-Singapore Airlnes pact was months in the making - Economic Times (http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-09-20/news/42252326_1_airasia-india-cyrus-mistry-the-tatas)

Tatas resurrect alliance with Singapore Airlines - The Hindu (http://www.thehindu.com/business/Industry/tatas-resurrect-alliance-with-singapore-airlines/article5146028.ece)

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/airasias-india-partner-opposes-tata-singapore-airlines-joint-venture/articleshow/22

Just starting a new thread so that we can all follow up and share news associated with the new venture ....!

Wishing the very best for the new Airline to takeoff ASAP..!

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AirAsia's India partner opposes Tata-Singapore Airlines joint venture
By ET Now | 21 Sep, 2013, 06.49AM IST56 comments |Post a Comment


The Tata group’s joint venture with Singapore Airlines to set up a full-service carrier in India appeared to have flown into an air pocket.
The Tata group’s joint venture with Singapore Airlines to set up a full-service carrier in India appeared to have flown into an air pocket.
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The Tata group's joint venture with Singapore Airlines to set up a full-service carrier in India appeared to have flown into an air pocket on Friday, with one of the Indian conglomerate's partners in an earlier low-cost airline venture hitting out at the decision, calling it "unethical" and saying he was shocked to hear the news.

Arun Bhatia, whose Telestra Tradeplace is one of the partners in AirAsia India, the soon-to-be-operational three-way venture that also includes Malaysia's AirAsia and Tata Sons, told ET NOW that he was completely in the dark about any talks for the full-service carrier between the Tatas and SIA.

"I was shocked to hear about Tata Sons' new JV with Singapore Airlines. Tatas should have informed me also. They kept me in the dark. It is unethical on their part to get into two joint ventures at the same time. How can they maintain secrecy of operations in two airlines and run them profitably at the same time?" asked Bhatia.

Bhatia, who owns 21% in AirAsia India, said he had the option of existing the venture, but would not do so. " will not exit the airline and I am ready to buy Tata Sons stake if offered," he said, adding that he would take up the issue at a board meeting planned for September 28. Bhatia, a Delhi-based businessman who deals in property in tony areas of the Capital, is also related by marriage to London-based steel tycoon LN Mittal — his younger son Amit is married to Mittal's daughter Vanisha.

AirAsia's India partner opposes Tata-Singapore Airlines joint venture Bhatia's outburst at being kept in the dark about the Tata-Singapore Airlines negotiations is embarrassing for their fledgling partnership, exposing a communication gap between the partners. Compounding the problem is the suggestion that the Tatas had kept AirAsia informed about its talks with Singapore Airlines, but had not taken into confidence its other partner.

A Tata Sons spokesperson declined comment and officials did not respond to specific queries about whether they had informed the Bhatia family, which, besides being in the real estate business for years, is also into trading and is an opportunist investor in commodities trading.

But sources familiar with the matter said AirAsia, the 49% partner and the key driver of the low-cost airline, and its chief Tony Fernandes knew about the parallel negotiations that the Tatas were having with Singapore Airlines and had also given their "stamp of approval".

One of the sources said both the airline propositions were different and do not compete with each other. "To me, these are convenient balloons that are being floated to perhaps come in the way of a smooth takeoff."

"It's a storm in a tea cup," this person said, requesting anonymity.

Although Tata officials have privately insisted that AirAsia has been on board with the decision, the Malaysian group and its normally loquacious chief Fernandes have said virtually nothing.

Fernandes is normally very active on Twitter and has heaped praise on Ratan Tata and the Tata Group since AirAsia's tie-up with the conglomerate. He is known to even announce company decisions on the social media website, a habit he said impressed the Tatas.

But the Tata-SIA partnership did not find mention in the tweets of Fernandes, whose last few tweets have been largely related to the Caterham racing team and AirAsia Bhd's offer of 20,000 free tickets.

But executives associated with the Tata-AirAsia venture dispelled any talk of a rift between Fernandes and the Tatas. They point to the different models of the two proposed airlines — AirAsia India will be low-cost while the Tata-SIA will be full-service.

[Sky Dancer]

:ok:This news is for now good news in Indian Aviation. I can understand Bhatia's angst about the whole deal as any other normal businessman would. But it also throws the Air Asia project in a corner. Will it start ? And if it does how long with it survive in the difficult and competitive environment in India ?

For the long term , this venture will change the face of Indian aviation if it does come through.Because I am sure there will be many in the industry, especially Mr. "You Know Who" will be working 24 hours a day with numerous trips to Delhi to try and thwart this project. But then it is India's name at stake here and he might just lose for once this time around.

SIA will in the next 6 years ( after it starts international operations ) be the biggest player in the Indian market for international traffic. They command most of the east bound traffic from India and when TATA SIA does fly international it will start capturing the west bound traffic which will be a body blow for Etihad , Emirates and Qatar. Not to mention it will further feed it's Singapore hub and possibly more direct eastern routes from India.

This would mean the eventualy closure of Air India , as the government will no longer have the money to support. The closure of Air Costa and severe reduction in expansion plans for Indigo and Jet Airways and also a fight for survival of Spice Jet.

Not to mention , Dr.Mallya will be talking his usual nonsense from Bangalore while he and son Sid fly their matchbox A 380 in UB city and Capt.Gopinath dream of starting another airline will be another pipe dream of his.

With Air Asia , fatboy Tony will be around for a few years , close down and blame everyone around on why he shut down. Wonderkid Mittu will be back in Singapore modelling , that is if he is still wanted there while the rest of the crowd will continue their move from one airline to the next.

And I will sit here and gloat when all this comes to pass.:ok:

By the way , what do you get when you merge Jet and Etihad....Jihad.
And that's what this is going to be , a war so bloody in the Indian skies that you will see a lot of closures and job losses.:E:ok:

[Mr.CB]

^^The most negative statement i have ever read in this forum. You forgot that with glibalisation we will have more people travelling within as well as outside the country. Changing policies, government subsidiaries, Development of airports at tier I and tier II.. But according to your post, it seems everything will be lost and we will have to opt bullock carts.. Get a life old junk-yard.. Your post says you have lost everything in your life and trust me you aint gonna achieve it all over again with this attitude.. There are young aspirants who look up to this forum and words like these eventually disheartend them. And I have experienced that most of the people here are just good at spreading rumours, talking sh** and discourage other pilots.. If you cant win, its better not to play the game because even lack that winning spirit in you. Highly Disappointed...

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Tatas apply for 'Tata SIA Airlines Limited' name
PTI New Delhi, September 20, 2013


Starting the process of incorporating a new company for its proposed aviation venture with Singapore Airlines, Tata Group has sought to register this entity as 'Tata SIA Airlines Limited'.

The application for registration of this name has been filed with the Registrar of Companies through submission of form '1A', which is the first step towards incorporation of a new company.

The registration is currently "under process" and can be approved soon, as per the latest information available with the corporate affairs ministry.

This will be followed by submission of various other documents, including the Article of Association, and details of the company's board of directors, share capital, business areas etc.

Going by the proposed name, the new company is expected to be a 'public limited company', which needs to have a suffix 'limited' to its name. The private limited companies need to suffix their names with 'private limited'.

The brand name of the proposed airline, however, is yet to be announced.

Incidentally, Tata SIA Airlines Limited would be among the first major companies to be incorporated under the new Companies Act, 2013 that came into effect earlier this month.

Tata Sons Ltd, the holding company of salt-to-software conglomerate Tata Group, and Singapore Airlines announced on Thursday that they are setting up a new full-service airline in India. While Tata Sons would hold majority 51% stake, Singapore Airlines (SIA) would have remaining 49%.

The two partners are expected to make an initial investment of $100 million to launch the airline, which may take off next year after necessary clearances.

The initial board of the new carrier, Tata SIA Airlines Ltd, will have three members, two nominated by Tata Sons and one nominated by Singapore Airlines.

This is the third attempt by the two partners to enter the Indian civil aviation sector.

The Tatas have a long history of association with civil aviation in India. In 1932 JRD Tata had started Tata Airlines, which was later in 1946 renamed as Air India and was subsequently nationalised in 1953.

Earlier in February this year, Tata group had also announced a partnership with Malaysia's AirAsia for a low-cost carrier in India, wherein Arun Bhatia's Telestra Tradeplace Pvt Ltd is the third partner.

[cyrilroy21]

Lets hope this one takes off relatively quick :)

Government to fast-track Tata-SIA airline - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Government-to-fast-track-Tata-SIA-airline/articleshow/22914044.cms)

[Sky Dancer]

Mr.CB , sorry to break your bubble. But as I always say , read my previous posts and you will see that I have never been wrong. About my status in life , well I will let the world decide for that. But you forget one thing , I write these posts because I have been there and done that ....it's called experience. A couple of years down the line you will look back and recall my post and by that time you should have some experience of your own. I have heard the talk of globalisation , free market blah blah blah , but there is something called economic fundamentals. Wake up look around and look at the world economy , look what free market and globalisation brought us , the reason we are where we are today is because the fundamentals of economics were ignored. It's the same with aviation , if you ignore the fundamentals , you will pay dearly. For all the pundits who spoke of the immense potential Indian aviation has with it's population tell me...why have so many airlines gone bust since 1991 ? Why are the present day carriers reeling under debt which is more that 1 billion dollars ? Wake up and smell the coffee.Wait another 2 weeks for my doomsday predictions:E:ok:

[thegrapevine]

Airlines, or for that reason any firm looking to venture out into a new market or business portfolio spend a hell lot of money hiring professional consultants/experts even top financial consulting companies, who do a complete market research and then provide the company with a report on the feasibility of the business plan and i am sure that an organization such as TATA-SIA must have hired the best in the business for their business plan evaluation. Then, The top executive management ( generally guys from top business schools) study the report, endless discussions and meetings take place and finally they conclude whether to go ahead or not!! Offcourse this doesn't guarantee success, but i was just wondering why couldn't they log onto pprune and get the expert opinion by our own pundits here...:= :ugh:

[Sky Dancer]

Of yes almost all airlines do hire well paid consultants to do the job , don't forget Accenture were the consultants for the Air India - Indian Airlines merger , reporting if I am not mistaken , directly to Praful Patel and look what that has brought us. For the record I have worked with a few of those consultant types and let me tell you the only thing they have backing them is the name of the organisation they work for aka Accenture , E and Y and the likes , the fact is we had to teach them the basics and they wrote the report which in a nutshell is simply " bull****" . They simply did not have a qualified aviation professional in the panel. And the senior management of the airlines love it when a big name feeds them ****.I am sure that all these guys , except Tony , will be having the consultants around them. I just hope they will be there when the airline shuts shop too.:ok::E

[Iver]

Interesting. If they are planning to fly longhaul routes, would they likely sub-lease older SQ 777s as those are phased out from SQ's fleet (like Scoot)?

[rdr]

Singapore is gambling. Like any Chinese is addicted to doing. It appears that they are running out of ideas in their own realm, and, perhaps patience.

There is a part of the Indian mind set, which goes outside the norm and purview of logic and reason, and perhaps, even destiny.

Good luck to them.

[piperjim]

Dear rdr,

SIA needs access to the Indian market. There is a market in India, if SIA doesn't take it there will be others.

Enjoy the festive season.

[hifly787]

rdr
Tata/Sia is the real stuff. News floating around New Delhi is 13 out Air India's
27 787 orders are to be leased to SIA. The pack of clowns assembled for AIR Asia are just a smokescreen. By the way who's that bimbette walking around train and bus stations in Chennai asking the common man how much they are paying for the Volvo to Bangalore and how much they would pay to fly by AA ! REF ET . Iver I hope I answered your question. .

[Wannabe Flyer]

Mr.CB , sorry to break your bubble. But as I always say , read my previous posts and you will see that I have never been wrong.

Sky Dancer... Can you please PM the next powerball numbers

On a less serious note

You are bang on target on Gopi, probably somewhere nearby on Air Asia and pretty far away on AI....

Now dont forgot those numbers

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Tata-Singapore Airlines JV: SIA taking another shot at India, despite barriers & restrictions
By Binoy Prabhakar, ET Bureau | 29 Sep, 2013,


In each futile attempt the Tatas made to enter aviation their partner happened to be SIA. SIA was actually one of the first global airlines to enter India.
In each futile attempt the Tatas made to enter aviation their partner happened to be SIA. SIA was actually one of the first global airlines to enter India.

In the din that followed the unveiling of a partnership between Tata Group and Singapore Airlines (SIA) on September 19 to start a full-service airline in India, an announcement by South East Asia's biggest carrier five days later may have gone unnoticed. SIA and SilkAir, its wholly-owned regional offshoot, said they will increase services between India and Singapore to 107 times a week from 98 across 11 Indian cities, including a third daily service from New Delhi, from October 27, 2013.

Company officials say there is little to link two announcements, but there is no denying that both underscore the importance of India for SIA. Indian aviation has always been a lodestone for the Tatas, but the same is true for SIA. In each futile attempt the Tatas made in the past to enter aviation — creation of a joint venture in the 1990s and purchase of government-owned Air India in 2000 — their partner happened to be none other than SIA. SIA was actually one of the first global airlines to enter India, launching services to Chennai as early as 1970. An exposure to India is critical now more than ever owing to two factors — a 3-lakh strong Indian diaspora who have settled in Singapore and a growing number of Indian visitors, 9 lakh last year.

Nicholas Ionides, vice-president of public affairs at SIA, says India's aviation market has been expanding rapidly and the airline has been eager to participate in this growth story for many years. The time for the joint venture as a new growth opportunity for SIA was right thanks to liberalisation (the government permitted foreign airlines to invest 49% in Indian carriers a year ago), according to him.

Growth (or lack of) Story

That is only half the story. In spite of the huge potential, SIA's growth in India has been tempered by bilaterals, or air traffic rights, known as Air Service Agreements (ASAs) in aviation parlance that foreign airlines like SIA are captive to.

The ASAs that India signed with foreign states until recently were complicated and archaic, based on a coefficient of aircraft capacity and the market potential of destinations. To cite an example, a coefficient of 1 was affixed to a Boeing 777 aircraft though few airlines fly the plane any more. Thankfully for SIA, the civil aviation ministry did away with the previous arrangement in April. Singapore was allotted 28,700 seats a week under the revised ASA.

GM Toh, the affable general manager of SIA's Indian operations, has mixed feelings about the new arrangement. Earlier, it was not uncommon to see empty seats on SIA planes — nine on every flight — due to restrictions on sales. "We had to use smaller aircraft on routes to comply with the rules," he says, sitting in his office in Mumbai. (Guess where the SIA headquarters in India is located — the Taj Mahal Palace at Colaba, a Tata property).

The new arrangement is only slightly better, according to Toh. Archaic rules have gone, but restrictions remain in place. SIA faces seat capacity constraints in all the metros and Coimbatore. In Delhi and Mumbai, for example, the airline cannot fly more than 6,000 seats a week. "We may be flying three flights a day from Mumbai, but we are only using 5,800 seats," he says.

[cyrilroy21]

We'll fly to airports together and buy fuel together and we'll derive synergy together," Tony Fernandes told ET in an interview

I wouldnt be surprised if the new airline has the A320 in its fleet .

AirAsia?s Tony Fernandes rubbishes reports of spat with Tatas over SIA ties - The Economic Times (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/airasias-tony-fernandes-rubbishes-reports-of-spat-with-tatas-over-sia-ties/articleshow/23289278.cms)

[gottofly]

Why are you assuming A320's?
Maybe the aircraft arriving for SilkAir.....B737's could be heading to India for the initial ops.

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Deals with Singapore Airlines & AirAsia: Ratan Tata?s aviation dreams finally takeoff - The Economic Times (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/deals-with-singapore-airlines-airasia-ratan-tatas-aviation-dreams-finally-takeoff/articleshow/23595631.cms)

[Iver]

Just read that Ratan is typed and current on the Falcon 2000. Not bad! He claims aviation has always been a passion.

Good luck to him and this operation! Certainly India needs some improvement in international-flying air travel choices.

[cyrilroy21]

I believe Mr. TATA's DGCA file number dates back to 1958 :eek:

[Capt Apache]

Having a passion for flying and running an airline (at the fag end of your career -Ratan Tata being almost 80 now) are two different things.

Ofcourse there is no attempt to compare to Ratan Tata but I remember having similar optimism when Gopinath and Thiagarajan( youngest CEO of an airline :mad:),both former pilots started their companies.We all know what happened afterwards.

[blackbirdsr72]

Capt Gopinath was from the army and thyagarajan was a PPL holder.

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Singapore Airlines plans to invest $49 million in the proposed venture with Tata Sons


A meeting of the FIPB to consider the Tata-Singapore Airlines proposal to start a full-service airline has been postponed to next week.

"Due to some unavoidable circumstances, the 197th meeting of the Foreign Investment Promotion Board (FIPB) scheduled to be held on Friday (October 18) has been postponed and will now be held on Thursday, October 24," the Finance Ministry said.

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Tata, SIA get govt approval for 'Tata SIA Airlines Limited' name

By PTI | 20 Oct, 2013, 12.22PM IST







NEW DELHI: Tatas' proposed aviation venture with Singapore Airlines (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/Singapore-Airlines) has got Corporate Affairs Ministry's approval to use the name 'Tata SIA Airlines Limited', which plans to offer full-service passenger services on domestic and international routes.

Starting the process of incorporating a new company for this joint venture, Tatas had applied late last month on the Ministry's electronic platform, MCA21, to register this name.

According to the latest information available with the Ministry, the name has been approved now and the company, Tata SIA Airlines Limited, stands registered from Delhi.

The application for registration of this name was filed through submission of form '1A', which is the first step towards incorporation of a new company.

The registration is generally followed by submission of various other documents, including the Article of Association, and details of the company's board of directors, share capital, business areas etc.

Tata SIA Airlines is among the first major companies to be incorporated under the new Companies Act, 2013 that came into effect earlier this month.

The airline's brand name is yet to be announced. Tata Sons (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/Tata-Sons) Ltd, the holding company of salt-to-software conglomerate Tata group (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/Tata-group), will hold 51 per cent stake in the new company, while Singapore Airlines would have 49 per cent.

The two partners are making an initial investment of $ 100 million to launch the airline, which may take off next year after getting all the clearances required.

They have already sought approval from the Foreign Investment Promotion Board, which was earlier scheduled to take up the proposal on October 18, but the meeting got postponed to October 24.

This is the third attempt by Tatas and SIA to enter the Indian civil aviation sector. Tatas have a long history of association with civil aviation in India. JRD Tata (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/JRD-Tata) had started Tata Airlines (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/Tata-Airlines) in 1932, which was later in 1946 renamed as Air India (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/Air-India) and was subsequently nationalised in 1953.

In February this year, Tatas also announced a partnership with Malaysia's AirAsia (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/AirAsia) for a low-cost carrier in India, wherein Arun Bhatia's Telestra Tradeplace (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/topic/Telestra-Tradeplace) is third partner.

Tatas and Singapore Airlines have assured the government that control of their proposed venture would always remain in Indian hands, while seeking approval to offer full-service passenger services on both domestic and international routes.

The initial board of the new carrier will have three members, which would be later expanded to six members with six nominees of Tata group.

The JV would also provide air transport carriers for both passengers and freights as well as supporting services to air transport, like operation or airport flying facilities, radio beacons, flying control centres and radar stations.

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FIPB approves Tata-Singapore Airlines venture
By PTI | 24 Oct, 2013, 12.54PM

'Singapore Airlines will make an initial investment of $49 mn for a 49% stake in the JV company, while the Tata Group will initially invest $51 mn for the rest.'
'Singapore Airlines will make an initial investment of $49 mn for a 49% stake in the JV company, while the Tata Group will initially invest $51 mn for the rest.'

NEW DELHI: Government today gave green signal to Singapore Airlines' proposal to start an aviation venture with Tata Sons entailing an initial foreign investment of $ 49 million.

"It (Tata-SIA proposal) has been cleared," Economic Affairs Secretary Arvind Mayaram told reporters after a meeting of the Foreign Investment Promotion Board (FIPB) here.

Mayaram said no riders have been set for the joint venture.

In their new venture, Tata SIA Airlines Ltd, Tata Sons would hold 51 per cent stake and Singapore Airlines (SIA) 49 per cent.

The venture secured the approval of the Corporate Affairs Ministry last week.

With the clearance of the FIPB, decks are cleared for Tata SIA to launch operations as a full-service air carrier in India.

The FIPB, headed by Economic Affairs Secretary Arvind Mayaram, is an inter-ministerial panel for approving Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) across sectors.

The two partners are making an initial investment of $ 100 million to launch the airline, which may take off next year after getting all the required clearances.

Tatas and Singapore Airlines have assured the government that control of their proposed venture would always remain in Indian hands, while seeking approval to offer full-service passenger airways on both domestic and international routes.

This is the third attempt by Tatas and SIA to enter the Indian civil aviation sector.

Tatas have a long history of association with civil aviation in India.

JRD Tata had started Tata Airlines in 1932, which was later in 1946 renamed as Air India and was subsequently nationalised in 1953.

The JV would also provide air transport carriers for both passengers and freights as well as supporting services to air transport, like operation or airport flying facilities, radio beacons, flying control centres and radar stations.

In February this year, Tatas also announced a partnership with Malaysia's AirAsia for a low-cost carrier in India, wherein Arun Bhatia's Telestra Tradeplace is the third partner. FIPB had approved this venture in April 2013.

As per latest data, during the April-July period, FDI inflow grew by 20 per cent to $ 7.05 billion, from $ 5.90 billion in the same period last fiscal.

[fullforward]

From a highly reliable source, initial Tata firm orders:

- 10 737 Max
- 10 A320 Neos
- 8 A330 300
- 6 B777 300ER

And short term lease of 20 A320 for a quick start.

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Tata Sons-Singapore Airlines carrier plans to launch operations by June next year
By ET Bureau | 26 Oct, 2013

MUMBAI: The Tata Sons-Singapore Airlines carrier which got a nod from the Foreign Investment Promotion Board on Thursday aims to launch operations by May-June 2014, its chairman said on Friday. Also, Tata Group's chairman emeritus Ratan Tata said the company will look at Air India, if the government decides to put it up for privatisation. "We hope we will be able to launch by May-June 2014," said Prasad Menon, chairman of the airline venture.

Earlier in the day Menon, Tata and Singapore Airlines CEO Goh Choon Phong met aviation minister Ajit Singh.

"I do not see any problems. The DGCA will have to be satisfied. It depends on how fast the Tatas are able to provide the data related to fleet, parking space, airport slots," said aviation minister Ajit Singh.

Tata Sons will hold 51% stake in the airline while the rest will be held by Singapore Airlines. The two partners plan to initially invest $49 million into the airline, which will go up to $100 million

The airline company, which hasn't been officially given a brand name yet, on Thursday received a nod from the FIPB, a month after it had applied to the government body. It will now have to receive a formal approval from the finance ministry, after which it will have to apply to the aviation ministry for a no-objection certificate and then India's aviation regulator for a flying permit. Menon said that the airline may use planes from Singapore Airlines' fleet.

Tata Sons has a second tie-up with AirAsia for launching a low-fare carrier in India. That is now awaiting a flying permit from the DGCA. When asked whether the Tatas would be interested in buying a stake in Air India, Ratan Tata said they would look at it if the government decided to privatise it.

India's civil aviation ministry has yet not made any official announcement of any plan to privatise Air India. But Singh has said in interviews that the government can consider it, if other political parties do not have a problem.

Air India was in 1953 renamed from Tata Aviation Services after the government decided to privatise it. Tata Aviation was started by Jehangir Ratanji Dadabhoy Tata, the group's former head. He piloted its first commercial flight on October 15, 1932 from Karachi to Mumbai in a single-engine Puss Moth aircraft.

[9FLYJET9]

Any confirm news about the fleet ?

[Sky Dancer]

The TATA SIA project is a very secretive project. They have been knocked out by Jet Airways before and this time around they are playing their cards very close to their chest. The government is trying their best to help them out before the elections. But let me tell you what I think they are going to do with their fleet planning / induction. Silk Air has ordered B 737 as a complete fleet replacement for the A 320 family aircraft that they have at the moment. In order to set up operations initially , Silk Air may transfer the A 320s in their fleet to TATA SIA. On the technical side the MI A 320s are also configured for the stage lengths and ETOPS routes that TATA SIA have in mind. However the problems is that there is a lot of behind the scenes action to prevent TATA SIA from going international from day one especially from Mr. ...... , the man with the wicked smile and his new found friend.:ok::E

[9FLYJET9]

cool. so it could be a start with A320's but nothing concrete as yet.

[Sky Dancer]

Yes , that is my guess and also don't forget that the product of MI currently fits that of TATA SIA , ie , it is a two class airlines , J class and Y class.:ok::E

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By Anirban Chowdhury, ET Bureau | 8 Nov, 2013,


Air India Engineering Services is talking to the Tata-Singapore Airlines joint venture airline to provide engineering and maintenance services

MUMBAI: Air India Engineering Services, a unit of the national carrier, is talking to the Tata-Singapore Airlines joint venture airline to provide engineering and maintenance services for its aircraft.

"We have put across a proposal to them and they are yet to get back to us," said HR Jagannath, executive director of Air India Engineering. He added the unit has also approached AirAsia India with a proposal to maintain its planes in India.

Like Singapore Airlines, the Malaysian budget carrier too has tied up with Tata Sons to set up an airline in India. Adding third party customers will enhance revenues of Air India's engineering unit, helping in the overall turnaround of its parent Air India, which has been struggling with continuous losses since 2007.

Also, lending its services to these two airlines would bring it closer to the salt-to-software conglomerate , whose chairman emeritus Ratan Tata recently said his group will look at the national carrier if the government decides to sell stake in it.

Civil aviation minister Ajit Singh has also said the government can privatise the airline if other political parties agree to it. Air India was founded by Tata Sons patriarch JRD Tata in 1932 as Tata Airlines. It was nationalised in 1953 and eventually renamed Air India.

The Tata Group has in the past made an unsuccessful attempt to buy a stake in the airline. Air India's board on December gave a nod to its proposal of hiving off its engineering and groundhandling businesses into two separate units.

"Hiving off the two units - a key aspect of the carrier's turnaround plan - will build them as two separate profit centres as well as divert Air India's mammoth workforce. The engineering unit currently has 6,500 employees. Before the hive-off, Air India had a workforce of more than 30,000. Air India's engineers last year accounted for 15-20 % of its annual salary bill of over Rs 3,000 crore," said an executive at the airline.

The engineering unit will have a separate balance sheet from next financial year, he added . Air India Engineering currently gets about Rs 100 crore from third party work, which it aims to increase by four times to Rs 400 crore by 2016-17, said the senior executive at the airline.

The airline already has contracts with local carriers such as Go Air and international carriers such as Sri Lanka's Mihin Lanka and Silk Air, Singapore Airlines' budget carrier for maintenance of planes.

The unit will also soon put in place a marketing team and is interviewing candidates to head it after its current acting chief KM Unni retires in the next few months.[/FONT]

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SINGAPORE: Singapore Airlines said it has received approval from India's Foreign Investment Promotion Board (FIPB) to establish a joint venture airline in India with Tata Sons.

In September this year, the carrier announced that it is joining hands with the Indian conglomerate to launch a new full service airline in India.

The joint venture will be 51 per cent owned by Tata Sons and 49 per cent owned by Singapore Airlines.

Singapore Airlines' investment will be US$49 million.

In a statement on Monday, SIA added that the establishment of the airline remains subject to further approvals from India's Directorate General of Civil Aviation.

[cyrilroy21]

So according to the grapevine...

TATA SIA has selected the A320 for the short haul fleet

Apparently sim checks are going on at FSTC Gurgaon for senior pilot positions as well as for some Indian Captains from Silk Air this week in order to renew their DGCA licenses

An ad might come out for experienced pilots in the local newspapers in a few weeks time...

[zulu_01]

Besides NOC from MHA, Tata-SIA would have to apply to DGCA for an Air Operator's Permit to commence operations
BS Reporter | New Delhi December 28, 2013

Tata Sons and Singapore Airlines have applied to the civil aviation ministry for a no-objection certificate (NOC) to start a full-service airline in India. The duo had earlier received approval from the Foreign Investment Promotion Board (FIPB) to set up Tata-SIA Airlines.

Confirming the development, a senior ministry official said: “They have applied for a NOC to start operations. The directors have to get security clearance from the Ministry of Home Affairs after which we can give them an initial certificate.”

Besides the NOC from the ministry, Tata-SIA will have to apply to the Directorate General of Civil Aviation for an air operator’s permit to commence operations. The official added: “The date of commencement of operations would primarily depend on the preparedness of the airline to furnish the relevant documents to the DGCA.”

Since the airline has applied for an NOC only now, it may not be able to start operations in the summer schedule of 2014.

Tata Sons tied up with SIA to launch a full-service carrier in India at an initial investment of $100 million on September 19. The Tatas will be the driving force in the venture with a 51 per cent stake.

Substantial ownership and effective control of the proposed airline will be with Tatas. Singapore Airlines would have a minority representation on the board and "will not be in a position to have 'de-facto' control over the Board. The board of the proposed Tata SIA Airlines Limited would eventually have six directors, Tata Sons and Singapore Airlines had said in its application to FIPB.

While four of the directors would be nominated by Tata Sons, the remaining two directors would be representatives of Singapore Airlines. The Chairman of the board will always remain a Tata nominee, the partners have said in their application. The Chairman and at least two-thirds of the directors of the Tata-SIA board will be Indians to conform with the guidelines of the FDI policy.

According to the MoU inked between Tata Sons and Singapore Airlines on Sep 19, the board of the proposed joint-venture company is initially scheduled to comprise three directors.

While two directors – Prasad Menon and Mukund Rajan – will be nominated by Tata Sons, Mak Swee Wah is the initial director nominated by SIA. The board will be chaired by Menon. Subsequently, the board would be expanded to include six directors.

The JV company will be incorporated in New Delhi and its principal place of business shall be India at all times. The airline has made Delhi its operational hub because of the huge capacity constraints in the Mumbai airport and better infrastructure facilities at the Delhi airport.

Tata-SIA has said it would like to operate international flights from India depending upon government approvals. At present, Indian government rules do not allow domestic airlines less than five years in operations and with a fleet of less than 20 aircraft to commence international operations. The ministry of civil aviation is drafting a cabinet note to amend the policy.

The Tatas already have a partnership with Malaysian carrier AirAsia for a low-cost airline that's likely to start operating in India later this fisca

[fatcadet]

New Singapore-Indian Airline confirmed leasing 20 units A320. New Singapore-Indian airline to get Airbus A320s: official - Yahoo Singapore Finance (http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/singapore-indian-airline-airbus-a320s-102837723.html)

Any information hiring FO?

[cyrilroy21]

Experienced Captains with DGCA ATPL ( any type rating ) and 320 rated DGCA CPL holders interested in joining TATA SIA should send their CV to [email protected]

[zulu_01]

Thanks Cyril.

But where are these positions and QR's advertised ?

[cyrilroy21]

@zulu_01

nothing being advertised for now


For everyone else

TATA SIA will be conducting an exam for Airbus A320 type rated candidates ( including zero hours on type ) somewhere in April
They want the type rating to be done ( or IR renewal i guess ) within the last 30 months

So hit your books and keep studying :ok:

[jetbusdriver]

Hi guys...
Anyone got any response from the mail ID mentioned above? Any news of any recruitment happening? I heard that it will not be possible to launch before Oct 2014..... Kindly throw some light

[zulu_01]

http://www.business-standard.com/content/general_pdf/022214_02.pdf

[cyrilroy21]

Well that approval came relatively quick :)

Now all thats left is the DGCA AOP

Tata SIA airline joint venture cleared by aviation ministry - Livemint (http://www.livemint.com/Companies/d5GmOly5bh9i5TNcHroKaP/Tata-SIA-Airlines-project-cleared-by-aviation-ministry.html)

[cyrilroy21]

And now they have applied for AOP as well from the DGCA

DGCA allows in-flight use of mobiles, laptops on flight mode - The Economic Times (http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation/airlines-/-aviation/dgca-allows-in-flight-use-of-mobiles-laptops-on-flight-mode/articleshow/34113399.cms)

[pilot777_SIA]

Cyril_roy : TATA-SIA is looking for experienced pilots. They want FO's with at least 1000hrs on modern commercial jets. For fresh CPL holders you might have to wait for another couple more yrs when the rope in more aircraft's. 20 A320 might take at least 5yrs to join the fleet.

[pilot777_SIA]

Do you really think they might take fresh CPL holders. I guess for FO's will be minimum 1000hrs on type.

[zulu_01]

Tata Singapore Airlines begins to start hiring | Business Standard (http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/tata-singapore-airlines-begins-to-start-hiring-114060900574_1.html)