Another EASA licence conundrum

[heli1]

What does one do if you are the only instructor/ examiner rated in Europe on a helicopter type and you need to re validate your licence to renew those of other EASA/CAA pilots flying the same type? The regulators say Not possible!
It appears an FAA licence is not acceptable currency and the CAA won't grant an exemption,however experienced said examiner is. Neither can another pilot with the type on his licence gain an examiner rating ,no matter how many hours on type he has flown!
How do the warbirds pilots get past this barrier?

Anyone know how this could be overcome?

[hueyracer]

Find another pilot...train him to be an Examiner, too....take each others´check rides....

Thats the only way i know...

[HillerBee]

Which helicopter type are we talking about?

I thought a Senior Examiner can do exams even on types he isn't rated on himself. At least in our Country they can.

[SASless]

Dollars to Doughnuts....some CAA guy will volunteer to be the new guy!

[nigelh]

Put it on the N and stick two fingers up at the fat beaurocrats . It is typical that they are incapable of taking a sensible view on anything to do with aviation in this country and that is why there is now so very little going on :ugh:
Almost no AOC out there now doing single work ...mostly it's lease work so not public transport . The market will always find a way around daft rules !!!!!

[misterbonkers]

Heli1 - what type you talking about?

Also, if its annex 2 helicopter the CAA have a lot more discretion versus EASA types.

[heli1]

Thanks for the comments so far.
Huey Racer...no good finding another pilot.He can't become an examiner without another examiner to train him.Catch 22!

Hiller bee....interesting,which country is this? Obviously not the UK!

Mister bonkers...it's not an annex 2 type and not flown for hire or reward by any of the current users so far as I know.

Nigelh...not sure N register will help as assume pilots would have to get an FAA licence but an idea.

Wonder if new LAPL is an easier route....does that also require regular examiner checks,and how do single seat aircraft pilots keep qualified?

[misterbonkers]

What type is it then?

[nigelh]

If he already has a licence it will be very quick and easy to convert to FAA ..
A proper licence with no need for daft type ratings .

[md 600 driver]

Intrigued I wonder what type Heli 1 could be thinking of any suggestions wg30 ?

[heli1]

The type is not the point.it is the conundrum that is the problem which applies to any UK registered helicopter where there is no UK examiner on type.

[FSXPilot]

So this is actually a hypothetical problem and not one that is currently stopping you or anyone you know from flying? Do you work for the Daily Fail?

[md 600 driver]

Heli 1
Your original post was referring to Europe
In the case of uk I can understand your would be problems

but I don't know of a type that would have a problem with if you included all Europe



No Heli 1 doesn't work for the daily fail

[heli1]

Appreciate the curiosity guys and yes,it is a foreign type on the UK register with no qualified CAA or EASA examiner and yes ,pilots will shortly be unable to fly if there is no feasible solution but lets leave it at that and not play detective .....the aim here is not to embarrass them,only to help them.

[heli1]

Appreciate the curiosity guys and yes,it is a foreign type on the UK register with no qualified CAA or EASA examiner and yes ,pilots will shortly be unable to fly if there is no feasible solution but lets leave it at that and not play detective .....the aim here is not to embarrass them,only to help them.

[misterbonkers]

heli1 - afraid it doesn't work like that!

Name the type and we solve the problem.

Believe it or not there are a few examiners around in Europe that are qualified on types no one thought an examiner was qualified on anymore! The Hiller being one such aircraft, the alouette series another.

UK CAA can grant special permissions for Annex 2 types and EASA can make arrangements for EASA types.

Simples.

[GoodGrief]

.no good finding another pilot.He can't become an examiner without another examiner to train him

Is that correct? I'd say it needs an instructor to train him, then you as examiner take his check ride.

[rotarywise]

Instruction for the examiner certificate is not included in the privileges of any instructor certificate. The basic premise is that you can only instruct for a qualification that you already hold. In any case, no 'instruction' is required for the examiner certificate, only a standardisation course and this must be conducted by an examiner of the appropriate category who is qualified on the relevant type.

[Exo.]

That also rather depends on the type, as smaller SET/SEP's are considered common on the examiner ticket - assuming appropriate hours on type in order to meet the 15 hours to instruct ruling.

It would seem that the question of which type does this query refer to is pretty important, as there are different routes to the answer dependent upon the size of it.

[heli1]

Exactly Rotarywise...there is no one CAA or EASA examiner qualified on the type .
Exo...I have pm 'd you.

[stingerdinger]

The CAA staff examiners used to have a blanket examiner rating to test on any type, rated or not, but I don't know if that rule has gone with EASA or not.

I'm sure they would tell you if you give one of them a call.

SD

[rotarywise]

That is precisely the problem, it is no longer possible for the UK CAA to by-pass the system and all examiners must now hold the qualification for which they are examining.

[idle stop]

To be fair to the CAA, they recently gave an Exemption to another UK FE to examine me on an Annex II type for which I am otherwise the only UK examiner.
I think you'll find that they will look at each case on its merits.
But their hands ARE tied if it's an EASA type.