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Cacophonix
7th Sep 2013, 06:43
Despite the fact that my political views don't necessarily make me a natural Telegraph reader I have always been a reader and admirer of some of the good journalism that used to be found in that paper.

Perhaps I am becoming curmudgeonly but it seems to me that like its struggling rival The Independent, The Telegraph is in close pursuit of the kind of badly researched and genuinely sensationalist drivel that makes the Daily Mail so odious to sentient people... I mean look at this article for example....

US porn industry shutdown blamed for skewing disappointing jobs data - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/10292056/US-porn-industry-shutdown-blamed-for-skewing-disappointing-jobs-data.html)

Not only does this morning's online version make a meal of the fatuous David Cameron gabbling on about online porn again but it serves up the shit sandwich linked to above.

Does this financial leader writer expect anybody to swallow the notion that a two week hiatus in California's active sex industry is likely to have any statistically discernible effect on the whole of the US's employment figures for the month in question?

The article begs intriguing questions like whether or not porn 'artists' are white or blue collar workers and whether or not an enforced two weeks flaccidity should be counted as an annual vacation (in the parlance of the US) or as unemployment?

I do hope the industry comes through this limp period though but am not sure that the US unemployment figures will bounce back up anytime soon with or without the sweaty labor of the US porn industry...

Caco

Edited to say - and it isn't the 1st of April either

Krystal n chips
7th Sep 2013, 07:35
" some of the good journalism that used to be found in that paper "

Very true.

There was a time when the rag had an excellent extensive news coverage and an equally comprehensive sports section albeit the latter had some of the most obnoxious cricket correspondents ever to grace the planet.

The coverage included gliding but then stopped when they caught a nasty cold as a result of one thieving and lying sod, which is understandable, but the sport has now been reinstated.

There was never any coverage of greyhound racing either...which seems perfectly sensible unless you enjoy watching a few dogs running around a track chasing a stuffed electronic rabbit on rails.....in which case, you are probably as daft as they come.

The rest of the rag however, was "entertaining" if you like reading complete right wing ideological bolleaux.....it was always interesting to compare current affairs / business news reports with the same reports in the Guardian....

The "Obit" column however, well that had some very dry humour at times, reading between the lines and it was noticeable how many former Colonial persons seemed to excel at pig sticking.....such was the arduous nature of their life.

Others seemed to have developed an affinity from their schooldays for flagellation and no doubt contributed to the bank accounts of those ladies who provide such in later life.

LGS6753
7th Sep 2013, 09:48
whether or not porn 'artists' are white or blue collar workers

They are evidently no collar workers. :E

angels
7th Sep 2013, 10:14
LG - :p

Caco - anybody to swallow the notion

you sure it was notion?

The US jobs numbers are notoriously volatile and all sorts of things affect it. Remember that if California were a country it would have the eighth biggest GDP in the world (IIRC).

As far as I'm concerned non-farm payrolls is a discredited piece of economic data on it's own, but many in the markets still watch it very closely.

Anyway, I always pinch a copy of the Torygraph from work under the heading of 'Know your enemy.' There is some excellent writing in it, especially in the sport section and occasionally in the main paper. Foreign news is well covered, but generally a rehash of what I've read on the wires.

I miss Simon Heffer's column because he was so far to the right it was a jolly good chuckle. I think he's gone to the Mail, so no chance of me reading him now!

Edited to add I forgot to mention what we call 'Torygraph Totty'. There is always a picture of some fit middle class wench on the front page that will have the old chaps in Tunbridge Wells spluttering over their kippers.

Pippa is their favourite, although SamCam is often there. Of course, there is no 'news' reason for these pictures to be on the front page. :O

Tankertrashnav
7th Sep 2013, 10:26
The rest of The Guardian, however, was "entertaining" if you like reading complete left wing ideological bolleaux.....it was always interesting to compare current affairs / business news reports with the same reports in the Telegraph....


A point which could equally be made, depending on your outlook.

In any case, newspapers are becoming less and less relevant as circulation figures dwindle. In the case of my own daily read, The Times, hardly a day goes by without whole pages being devoted to encouraging people to take out a subscription - even though I already have one I've been cold-called asking if I'd like to take one out. Looking ten years ahead I am sure that a number of titles will have folded - how much longer can The Independent struggle on, for example?

Cacophonix
7th Sep 2013, 10:49
The US jobs numbers are notoriously volatile and all sorts of things affect it.

True but I am in awe of the statistical chicanery that could allow such a relatively small cohort to distort a month's national figures.

I know that the porn industry as whole in the US is big (ahem) but the number of registered 'workers' even in California (the porn capital of the world) doesn't measure more than +- 12000 and while these numbers are not insignificant in the Californian context (a very large economy as you say) they would measure as a blip on the national scene and that other areas of the economy and work sectors are probably worth more comment than this group. Still whatever the case, the numbers gave me an opportunity to have a wry smile and a rant on a very rainy Saturday morning... ;)

You comments on The Telegraph all hit the nail on the head. If the paper is intent on going down the genteel but populist route then it should reintroduce the concept of top totty. I look forward to reviewing some Tattleresque beauty called Clarissa with a pearly bust, large forearms, a colonel father and who hails from good breeding stock in the shires... ;)

Caco

Duckbutt
7th Sep 2013, 11:00
There you go Caco, ticks all the boxes:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Pix/pictures/2011/10/24/1319467744444/clarissa-dickson-wright-007.jpg

Cacophonix
7th Sep 2013, 11:16
Ah Ms Dixon Wright certainly has some of the attributes a chap is looking for but I must say that I am somewhat frightened of women that look like they slaughter the cattle they eat with their own hands...;)

I just love statistics and damned lies and statistics even more... so here are some stats on then US sex scene chosen without any great research by me from the great statistical morass that is the interweb...

Statistics | Treasures (http://iamatreasure.com/about-us/statistics/)

Caco

vulcanised
7th Sep 2013, 12:49
the good journalism that used to be found in that paper


What a long memory you have!

After nearly a lifetime of reading the DT, I gave up on it around ten years ago, feeling that the dumbing-down was gathering pace. Especially when Anne Robinson http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/pukey.gif started writing for them.

radeng
7th Sep 2013, 12:54
Strange thing is that in the 1860's the DT was the strong supporter of railway trade unionism - at least, where long hours, poor pay and lack of training affected safety.

Sic transit Gloria mundi..

603DX
7th Sep 2013, 13:54
Although I seldom read the DT (favouring the Times nowadays), I will always be grateful to it. In 1964 I was working as a junior engineer in a worthy but not exactly exciting post in local government, in the drawing offices of the local Borough Engineer. Design work proceeded at a sedate pace, and there was plenty of time for competing with my colleagues in a daily battle with the Telegraph crossword. One day, stuck on a particularly tortuous cryptic clue, I glanced at the pages of "sits. vac." columns and saw two jobs advertised by London consulting engineers. One was a famous firm specialising in dams and hydro-electric schemes worldwide, the other I had never heard of. Frustrated by the lack of demands on my grey matter, I contacted both and was called for an interview by each of them, and killed two birds with one stone by arranging them for the same day. (Remember when the jobs market was like that, PPRuNers? Never again, I fear. :sad:)

On the due day in the Victoria Street area (the consulting engineer's equivalent of Harley Street for doctors), I was offered a job by each of them, at a salary 50% to 60% higher than the present post. Mentally dazzled by the signs floating around, I decided to take a chance on the higher figure offered by the unknown little firm whose two partners happened to be Telegraph readers. And that turned out to be the best decision I ever made. That firm gave me the most wonderful career over more than 4 decades, such that Mondays were frequently looked forward to, and during the most exhilarating periods I would actually have paid them, to do the marvellous, satisfying project work they assigned to me!

So thank you profusely, Daily Telegraph. (Though I still prefer the Times.)

airship
7th Sep 2013, 14:04
I seem to recall from the early '80s, that page 3 of the Daily Telegraph often contained some quite detailed reports of child sexual abuse, prostitution in general etc. which would have set some cocks c(g)rowing (and not just on poultry farms)...

Back then also, page 3 of the Sun often featured photos of topless 16 year olds. "Get your daily dose of news and porn" without needing to hide your newspaper in a brown bag like you just left a seedy sex-shop" for millions on a daily basis. Presumably today in 2013, the page 3 girls are all 18 years old or over. Porn still sells newspapers today, like back in the '80s...

So let's admit that even the most respected newspapers have toyed and played with the legal limits of what is allowed and what is not in the past.

I sometimes wonder just how many (now illegal) images of 16 year olds reside in the Sun newspaper's archives. Especially all those involving full-body shots, but suitably-cropped for publication. Presumably, Scotland Yard have since confiscated all such photos, labelling them "OHMS - For Your Eyes Only - James Bond"...?! :confused:

A Squared
7th Sep 2013, 15:49
I know that the porn industry as whole in the US is big (ahem) but the number of registered 'workers' even in California (the porn capital of the world) doesn't measure more than +- 12000 and while these numbers are not insignificant in the Californian context (a very large economy as you say) they would measure as a blip

Well, no, not really. The phenomenon under discussion is a loss of 112,000 jobs nationwide. In that context the loss of 12,000 jobs is not insignificant.

Shack37
7th Sep 2013, 16:32
They are evidently no collar workers. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/evil.gif


Wot! Not even with sticky out bits and a chain attached?:\

er340790
7th Sep 2013, 17:38
the adult film business was brought to a standstill for 12 days in august,

It's about time they got off their backs!!!! :}

lomapaseo
7th Sep 2013, 18:57
What an interesting thread title.

I read it literally and had visions of great granddad diddling away at night on the telegraph key with some floozy in the next whistle stop down the line.

Cacophonix
8th Sep 2013, 00:48
Shit and hell...

Tom Waits - Heartattack And Vine - YouTube

Caco