PPRuNeUser0139
31st Aug 2013, 06:08
I had an email today from a friend from Vancouver Island who is actively researching a particular Halifax crash that involved a relative.
His uncle - George Warren (aged 19) - was the only casualty (KIA) in the crash of a Halifax (JD368) in August ‘43. There’s a picture of young George here (http://www.inmemories.com/Cemeteries/gosselies.htm) (scroll about halfway down the link)
27/08/1943 Haulchin Belgium
Halifax II JD-368 - 10Sqn - ZA-A
Sgt Baker G. (EVD)
Sgt Cornelius R.W. (EVD)
Sgt McCallum J. (EVD)
Sgt Davies V.W. (EVD)
Sgt Pearce M.(EVD)
P/O Lawrence F.N. (EVD)
Sgt Darvill G.R. (POW) 1388572 4B-250703
Sgt Warren George R M gunner R/152436 RCAF (KIA) 19 years
My friend's question concerns the armament..
During my research concerning Halifax II’s JD368 (my uncle/10 Sqn)) and JD371 (Modave commemoration yesterday/77 Sqn) we are still not certain of what exactly the two aircraft looked like.
They probably shared the factory floor during their manufacture at English Electric (and went down the same night over Belgium) but were built during a time when many changes were being made to the Halibags; some visible, some not. We know they’d obviously lost the original nose turret, but had not yet been fitted with the large rectangular/barn door shaped tail configuration to replace the problematic “pointy” rudder structure.
However, we don’t know if they were carrying the single .303 in the nose that was fitted through the perspex of some Mk. II’s and III’s or, rather, did they have the plain, faired perspex with no gun. We suspect the latter as we guess those with nose guns had a “WAG” to fire the gun while the Wireless Operators on JD368 & JD371 were just that, Wireless Operators; and I can’t imagine the RAF allowing a non-gunnery trained airman to just grab the .303 if he wasn’t busy and start firing away. We’ve trawled many books and websites out there but still can’t nail it down.
Any chance you have contacts or resources that might narrow down the visible nose/tail configuration for the Halifax II’s in the JD368/JD371 serial range; RAF, Hendon, IWMuseum,??.
I found a picture of a Halifax II JD 376 here (http://www.jankersten.nl/WilliamUyen/19431119.html) - its serial number is v close to the range in question and appears to have no nose armament..
Does anyone know of a reference site that lists Halifax specs vs serial numbers?
Many thanks
sv
His uncle - George Warren (aged 19) - was the only casualty (KIA) in the crash of a Halifax (JD368) in August ‘43. There’s a picture of young George here (http://www.inmemories.com/Cemeteries/gosselies.htm) (scroll about halfway down the link)
27/08/1943 Haulchin Belgium
Halifax II JD-368 - 10Sqn - ZA-A
Sgt Baker G. (EVD)
Sgt Cornelius R.W. (EVD)
Sgt McCallum J. (EVD)
Sgt Davies V.W. (EVD)
Sgt Pearce M.(EVD)
P/O Lawrence F.N. (EVD)
Sgt Darvill G.R. (POW) 1388572 4B-250703
Sgt Warren George R M gunner R/152436 RCAF (KIA) 19 years
My friend's question concerns the armament..
During my research concerning Halifax II’s JD368 (my uncle/10 Sqn)) and JD371 (Modave commemoration yesterday/77 Sqn) we are still not certain of what exactly the two aircraft looked like.
They probably shared the factory floor during their manufacture at English Electric (and went down the same night over Belgium) but were built during a time when many changes were being made to the Halibags; some visible, some not. We know they’d obviously lost the original nose turret, but had not yet been fitted with the large rectangular/barn door shaped tail configuration to replace the problematic “pointy” rudder structure.
However, we don’t know if they were carrying the single .303 in the nose that was fitted through the perspex of some Mk. II’s and III’s or, rather, did they have the plain, faired perspex with no gun. We suspect the latter as we guess those with nose guns had a “WAG” to fire the gun while the Wireless Operators on JD368 & JD371 were just that, Wireless Operators; and I can’t imagine the RAF allowing a non-gunnery trained airman to just grab the .303 if he wasn’t busy and start firing away. We’ve trawled many books and websites out there but still can’t nail it down.
Any chance you have contacts or resources that might narrow down the visible nose/tail configuration for the Halifax II’s in the JD368/JD371 serial range; RAF, Hendon, IWMuseum,??.
I found a picture of a Halifax II JD 376 here (http://www.jankersten.nl/WilliamUyen/19431119.html) - its serial number is v close to the range in question and appears to have no nose armament..
Does anyone know of a reference site that lists Halifax specs vs serial numbers?
Many thanks
sv