Turkish Airlines

[Miramar]

Hi to everyone

Anybody knows if turkish airlines is ATO approved?

Thanks a lot¡

[safelife]

How could it be? Turkey isn't EASA member as turkey isn't Europe...
It used to be Jar member but now they're on their own.

[GA_flps1]

I don't know about Turkish airlines in particular but I know that the facilities in Turkey are approved by EASA and many of the TRE has EASA-licenses in Turkey and that way they do LPCs and TRs without any problems so far with European CAAs.

[latetonite]

They apply EASA rules when it fits them, and throw them out of the windows when it doesn't.

[ShibaInu]

HI,
Here a short commend from my side.
THYs ATO is not EASA approved and will not be until further. It runs still under the former JAR Standard TRTO.
THY will ask all expat pilots to get a Turkish ATP until end of 2014 to get rid of the licensing/validation problem especially with the EASA holders.
THY is not allowing any expat pilot any other activity outside THY. Plz be aware that this includes all private flying and even ALL ACTIVITIES which are REQUIRED to keep ENDORSEMENTS or AUTHORIZATIONS such as TRI/TRI (acc working contract para 6.16) Don't expect THY to give u any exemption.
THY did not or is not willing to understand that a min activity in a ATO is required to keep your personal TRI/TRE privileges alive. Nor THY is accepting that any EASA TRE is ONLY TO REPORT to his EASA national CAA or the CAA he is authorized after a Briefing. THY is allowing TRI/TRE activities only when nominated by THY (which is a clear misinterpretation of the EASA and former JAR principles which is based on the independent role of examiners).
So, u better be aware of this before u put ink under a THY working contract. THY is only interested in line-pilots without any other aviation activities!
As mentioned in many comments from others: THY is only interested to be JAR (EASA is a presently a No No) when it helps there reputation. Expect vertical hierarchies in cockpit and administration. Expect to work in an cockpit environment where a majority of local pilots are not willing to follow FCOMs or bulletins. The day-to-day live as a THY pilots is dominated by personal standards. This can be a challenge for FOs but even for DEC who are spending time as P3 on long haul flights. U are always superseded by a higher seniority local pilot. An open CRM atmosphere (sharing experience) and de-briefing culture is existing only on paper. This can give u headache and unpleasant times.
:cool:

[ulugbek-pilot]

Anyone knows is THY so restrictive in hiring only EU passport holders,
I'd convert my licence into ATPL in Turkey and try to apply for Turkish but
I'm not EU passport holder,your information will be very appreciated

[Killaroo]

Maybe because Turkey has been lobbying for entry to the EU, and if it succeeds in future any non- Turkish/ non- European passport holders would be in an awkward residency situation?
That could possibly be overcome, but maybe THY are just playing it safe for now.

[Alexander de Meerkat]

Killlaroo. Don't worry - Turkey has no possibility of joining the EU for the foreseeable future. It has a dismal human right record, and despite claims to be a secular state is Islamic in all but name. As long as you are not a Christian, Kurd or Armenian you can get on ok but this is a nation whose values are radically different to the nations of the EU.

[Fluke]

Ulugbek-pilot

I don't think THY require its pilots to be EU passport holders. They have asked myself and about 30 others to get Turkish ATPLs , which we are doing. I have never been questioned about EU residency.

I think Killaroo is mostly correct in his post. Brussels whispered to Turkey that their EU submission would be looked upon more favourably if they could employ some out of work Euopean pilots. The licensing requirements are more of a government thing than an airline requirement!

All a bit pointless now with the way the Turkish lira is travelling.

[ulugbek-pilot]

That's' a good information for me,cos I'm looking forward to work on THY,all their requirements I fulfill,so I should get an ATPL in Turkey that I most definitely am going to do,I do appreciate that information, I'd love to get further information from you if you don't mind,many thanks

[Killaroo]

Can anyone say what their jumpseating policy is?
Can you jumpseat in uniform as supernumerary crew?
Can you jumpseat with a ticket?
Do they give pilots Biz Class travel? First Class?
Do they allow upgrades on leisure travel?

[SpeedGuy]

Who knows, how long does it take to get turkish ATPL?

[de facto]

Killaroo
Do they give pilots Biz Class travel? First Class?


Try and book a first class ticket on Turkish and let us know how it went:E

Pilots get 2 ID 90 per month eco upgradable bizz on space availability.
Not sure about jumpseat,but if flight is full and you have an ID 90,i guess you could ride upfront.

[Scott_T]

Hi guys ,

I saw two agency's advertise the THY 737 NG for lower hour FO's I am 400 hours shirt of the normal contract but still don't qualify for the reduced hour contract because I do not have a 4 year university degree , so annoying, I mailed THY directly with a question about the degree and they sent me an application to fill out , fingers crossed as the agency's don't want to know.

[twentyyearstoolate]

No degree = Permanent F/O:}

[Scott_T]

Better than unemployment until something comes up where you will be upgraded, it's strange that they will now accept low hour 737 and A320 FO's all license types but require a degree.... How strict will they be on this requirement.:ugh:

[bairni]

one agency requires a completion of Lufthansa's DLR Test Stage 1 and 2.
once you pass stage 2 you'll be offered a typerating and job within Lufthansa Group, so I don't think there are too much applicants for this postitions at THY :}

[Scott_T]

Yeah I saw that hence why I am asking are they realistic requirements like how will they get 737 rated and experienced FO's (low hours) with the dlr stage 2 and a 4 year degree most of those guys are Lufthansa cadets / BA cadets to begin with, that's why I though with my 1000 hours 737 classic and NG I might be in with a chance.

[bairni]

hey, I got a mail from the agency today to confirm my positive stage 1 & 2 DLR test. I confirmed to have passed DLR 1 & 2 = the entire Lufthansa assessment.

They will call Turkish Airlines on monday to discuss this topic. So I don't think they get tons of applications for this specific job ad :}

[vsersen]

Hey! If u passed the entire Lufthansa assessment, why you don't fly at Lufthansa than?

[bairni]

Because there are hundreds of lufthansa flight school cadets waiting for their typeraiting. And they are all lining up in front of me. I'm waiting at the ready entry holding point for two years now and no takeoff clearance in sight. Maybe 2015, 2016, nobody knows ...

Regards

[vsersen]

Ok, didn't know that.. Sorry to hear that. Best of luck!!

[ulugbek-pilot]

Any news ftom THY applicants - citizenship,ATPL? Appreciate

[BAe 146-100]

Why they constantly advertising, people failing the interview/sim, mass expansion or high pilot turnover?

[safelife]

They've become a second Korean nowadays.
Constantly advertising, but no one cares...

[twentyyearstoolate]

It doesn't help that you get paid in Turkish Lira with no exchange rate protection. The Lira lost almost a fifth of its value against the dollar last year. The pay rises here definitely do not keep in line with the magnitude of these losses. When your Bills have to be paid in US Dollars/Euros, this gig is certainly risky for what you may end up earning in years to come.

[B737Capitano]

Hi guys got a call from agency called Brookwood Aviation (never heard of them before :-( )and they told me that THY are now accepting all licences ICAO/FAA including...is this true??

[Kirks gusset]

Simply put… No..

[Al Neri]

Yes they do, you can check with another agencies... they accept now all kind of licenses....

[Kirks gusset]

While the adverts state they will accept ICAO and FAA licences, there will a requirement to convert all licences to DGCA by the end of 2014. ELP level 4 or above and DLR Stage 2 required. Personally, I haven't seen any non JAR licences but there's always a first time. The last FAA type rated FO had just a P2 rating on the ticket, this was a problem but he converted to JAR. Maybe worth a check on the DGCA website to see what the new regulations for converting to DGCA. They have checking arrangements in place to revalidate JAR/EASA, not sure about FAA.

[ulugbek-pilot]

Alas they're one of the uncertain airliners giving uncertain information, how are they ever gonna hire experienced pilots, salaries are lower than in some third worlds

[de facto]

and you will have to surrender your EASA and possibly FAA/ICAO license to get a basically worthless Turkish License

Seriously?you really think the big frightening turkish airlines will come during your sleep and destroy your licence?..please :ugh:
Its called a licence validation:rolleyes:

[de facto]

So how would they take your licence?would they require your CAA to destroy your files?zip nada..gone.?please enlighten us.
Ive got FAA,chinese CAA and EASA,it would be loads of paper work ahead:p

[FBW390]

Guys just be serious! Nobody will take your license! ( if it's a good one like EASA!) At the end of 2014 if THY has no solution for validation keep your REAL license and find a job somewhere else!!! NEVER convert to Turkish license; maybe just pass it, it musn't be difficult! You're not loosing a lot as the turkish lira is so low now...

[Pin Head]

Moving on, any other details of rosters, hotels down route, Istanbul girls,etc

[TypeIV]

Rosters depends on the type but the 737/320-ish fleets have slavelike rosterings if you are used to more than 9 days off a month :E The 321 is used for little longer flights so you might get less of the domestic flights and the "open duties"

The girls are very tacky, their parents will rule your life and they will cost you everything you will ever own. Not very beautiful or english speaking either :}

Forget about freeing willy unless married

[Pin Head]

NIGHTSTOPS?

[NEDude]

I fail to understand how they could "take" your FAA license. They may take the actual credit card sized piece of plastic itself but that does not invalidate your license or the records with the FAA. FAA licenses are essentially "valid for life". If you were to lose the piece of plastic you still have your license and all the privileges, you can get a temporary license and/or verification over the internet and print it out at home any time you want. A replacement license costs $2.

[Kirks gusset]

Under EASA the state that issues your licence also keeps your records. If you opt for the DGCA licence your records are transferred to the Turkish Authority. Of course, if you want to transfer back to your native state you can ask for the records to be transferred back. Keeping copies is always a good option, on the other hand this does not guarantee you will get another licence issued as rules change. The licence may be valid for life but the privileges can only be exercised if the renewal or currency regulations are complied with . Sub part Q refers and "[email protected]" will be happy to answer the questions.

[NEDude]

Guess that is the difference between the FAA and EASA. Sounds like it would be best to work for Turkish on an FAA license, now that they are accepting them, as the Turkish authorities cannot "take" your records from the FAA, thus you are never in danger of losing your FAA license.

[GusHoneybun]

This is a bit worrying, so let me get this straight then.

At present, you can fly in turkey on an EASA licence by validation.
Now, THY are saying they want all their pilots to gain a DGCA licence to fly their aircraft.
So, you have to pass the Air Law exam, sit an LST and Class 1 and you're given a DGCA licence.

At what point does this mean you lose your EASA licence?


And a quick further question. Is this requirement to have a DGCA licence only at THY or is it a DGCA requirement. I.E are the guys at sun express going to have to convert at the end of 2014 or will they still be able to fly on the validation?

[TypeIV]

At SunExpress the captains are nowadays on most new bases, in majority foreigners.
I am sure of that many will leave if they in practice will have to give their EASA license up. Most are there for the money and time on the 737 to move on.