Crown Casino

[Biggles266]

Hi all, tried trolling through forums and threads but wasn't able to find much info. I'm hoping someone out there can tell me who operates the Crown Casino jets?

Many thanks!!

[YendorB]

Does anyone know anything else about them?
pay? hours per year? other duties? good to work for?

[VH-XXX]

What I wouldn't give to use the callsign "Triple Charlie" :ok: (Crown Casino Corporation for those wondering what I am on about)

Closely followed by TGG (The Good Guys) :ok:

[Vincent Chase]

I would assume TGG = The Gandel Group

[VH-XXX]

Indeed it is Gandel.... Probably because I bought an oven from them they were on the tip of my tongue :-)

[Pilotshumornetwork]

I would very much appreciate information on the Crown operation if anyone would be kind enough to share it. Information on the personnel, chief pilot etc. PM me if you could. Thanks in advance

[DeltaT]

CASA aircraft register:
GANDEL INVESTMENTS PTY. LTD.
VH TGG BOMBARDIER Model: BD-700-1A10
Hangar 81 Bristol Street
ESSENDON AIRPORT VIC 3041
AUSTRALIA

Just the one plane by the looks.

[717tech]

TGG doesn't fly for Casino.

[Wally Mk2]

Trust me ya wouldn't want that job, you have no life!
Many years ago I knew most of them there with the original CCC great bunch of guys some real characters but they where never home & when they where home they where always at the ready to not be home, too many homes there:)

Trouble with 2day's modern corporate jets, they simple stay aloft way too long:)


Wmk2

[Hempy]

VH-CCC + VH-CCA

[Fred Gassit]

Ill second what Wally said, I knew a guy that used to fly for them, very much a burnout job according to him.

[gerry111]

I wonder if the high rollers are allowed to smoke aboard the Crown Casino jets? Surely not much fun for a non smoking crew on such long trips..

[Captain Nomad]

What a downright depressing reason for getting out of bed and going flying - no thanks. Gambling destroys lives.

[GalleyHag]

Crown Melbourne Ltd. - PILOT CAREER CENTRE (http://www.pilotcareercentre.com/Air-Carrier-PCC-Profile/776/Crown+Melbourne+Ltd).

Hope that link helps with some basic information

[Avturbound]

Who cares why you go flying, I dont care of the pax/cargo in the back I just want to fly and if i'm going around the world doing that i'm not complaining. And you say gambling destroys lives maybe but it also supplies millions of jobs and infrastructure and money to the economy. Money that those employees use to live and pay for school for their kids and the list can go on... so you could also say it creates/saves lives.

Optimist :cool:

[717tech]

From what I've been told (second hand), the guys are for ever on standby, and when they do go flying, they have no idea when it is they will come home.

You might be on "standby" for days/weeks in a hotel somewhere... not a great deal of flying.

[Pilotshumornetwork]

How many pilots do they have? Is M Cooper still the chief pilot.

[VH-XXX]

I'd put aside the social aspects of gambling in this scenario as they are generally flying in gamblers from Asian countries that are propping up our economy and subsidising the cost of my meal when I eat out at Crown.

[DeltaT]

ok, so tried again! :8

GULFSTREAM GV x2, G-IV
VH CRQ
VH CCC
VH CGF

Registered operator and Holder
CROWN MELBOURNE LIMITED
8 Whiteman Street
SOUTHBANK VIC 3006
AUSTRALIA

[PLovett]

Who cares why you go flying, I dont care of the pax/cargo in the back I just want to fly and if i'm going around the world doing that i'm not complaining.

I hope to hell that was tongue in cheek otherwise you will soon be out of a job whether it is flying mum and dad on a scenic or high rollers on a flight to Melbourne. Especially the latter where customer service comes very high on the list.

[YPJT]

What I wouldn't give to use the callsign "Triple Charlie"
Someone from ATC correct me if I am wrong but I don't beleive you can use your callsign in that manner.

I recall listening to an exchange many years ago between Perth ATC and a certain pilot who used to frequent these pages. The aircraft had a three identical letter callsign and he was told over the radio that the "triple *" was no longer acceptable. A brief argument ensued but he wasn't going to win that one on the spot.

Maybe the rule has been changed since?

[PLovett]

Someone from ATC correct me if I am wrong but I don't beleive you can use your callsign in that manner.

I have heard them use it in that fashion. Admittedly it was several years ago now and late at night but still recall it well.

[Capt Fathom]

They had no problem with it when VH-III was around. What a mouthful! A Hawker 700 or some such beast!

[VH-XXX]

I've heard "triple Charlie" used many a times just like Fox 1 for Lindsay's chopper. We do whatever we want down here in Vic :-)

[andrewr]

Crown Melbourne Ltd. - PILOT CAREER CENTRE (http://www.pilotcareercentre.com/Air-Carrier-PCC-Profile/776/Crown+Melbourne+Ltd).

Bigpond email address! :) Very professional.

[VH-XXX]

Good point AndrewR... Should also be in the sticky for pilots starting out to not email their prospective bosses with an email like [email protected] or similar.

[Wally Mk2]

I'm sure Max gets plenty of emails or attention in it's many forms from wannabees.
Max (CP) is one of the good guys, flew with him years ago top bloke so he'll know a good pilot when he sees one.
Yr right there 'XXX' we Mexicans Sth of the border do what we like,'CCC' is often used by ATC, can't see any harm in the obvious.:)
As for the smoking comments...........well nobody forces anyone to smoke or gamble & in doing so they give up the right to life as we non smokers know it, their choice.


Wmk2

[Cravenmorehead]

But we pay the bills to clean up the mess:{

[vee1-rotate]

And after all that, they are advertising for FO's. Job ad up on AFAP

[andrewr]

Good point AndrewR... Should also be in the sticky for pilots starting out to not email their prospective bosses with an email like [email protected] (%41%6e%64%72%65%77%72%36%39%40%68%6f%74%6d%61%69%6c%2e%63%6 f%6d) or similar.

I don't see a problem with individuals using free email servers - hotmail, gmail etc. It's "the cloud" - very much the fashion. I can see some people might turn up their noses at hotmail, but I don't really see why, for an individual.

Not so good for companies - if you are representing a company, you should have a company email address. Business email addresses at some generic ISP suggests too small to be bothered arranging a mail server. If you're an electrician, that's probably OK. A company with many employees, not so much.

[Compylot]

Once again gentlemen some pertinent points have been raised concerning said operation.

YPJT well spotted. One cannot use their callsign in such a manner!

Abbreviating it such to "Triple Charlie" or such smacks of unprofessionalism and there is more than one reference in the regs that stipulate that this is a big no no. Well done sir! (and what sort of reflection does this have on said operation if their flight crew abbreviate in such a way when communicating to ATC?!)

Avturbound spot on. Who cares what, where or how you fly?!

Mate, if I got the call at 2am to do a private 'charter' to pick up 10 high rolling, chain smoking gamblers from Singapore thats 15 hours of GV time I'm rocking and everyone else isn't :ok:

[ramble on]

Geez, I shouldnt say it but, compylot, your style, tone & manner has just successfully outed you as a t\/\/at...

Being a t\/\/at probably excludes you from Crown (as they probably require a t\/\/at free department, as do most others.)

In corporate/business aviation, the flying is the easy bit. Being a part of the solution and not the problem is the hard bit.

Ps; I am not from Crown.

[romeocharlie]

Yes they use still triple Charlie. I think it's a great callsign. :D:D

To all the people whining about it's not professional etc, have you thought about the fact they might have an exemption to use it like 'velocity' or 'go cat'.

I'm happy to be corrected.

[Anthill]

Yeah, just like "Ansett triple eight" was (HKG-SYDNEY, before the apocalypse..)

[Mr_Pilot]

Compylot, I think you will politely find that there are provisions within all regs for the rules to be changed, rules to allow exceptions to the rules.

"Abbreviating it such to "Triple Charlie" or such smacks of unprofessionalism and there is more than one reference in the regs that stipulate that this is a big no no"

I know a couple of the boys who fly there and know they are very happy and healthy for where they are. They love what they fly, happy with the times at home and for the most part saw some quick command times.

I have sighted the callsign amendment application and approval granted by ASA some years back. However would be more than happy to be corrected. If this has been changed or revoked. But my understanding was when I asked them about it, it was just like "Chopper 1" new helo applying for a callsign, or "Fox1" as someone pointed out. Nothing unprofessional, in fact the opposite, as there is more resonance and less ambiguity in the phonetics of "triple charlie" than "charlie, charlie, charlie".

They operate under Private cat from what I understand and have a good working ethic and team backing each other up. No doubt there will be plenty of people applying, and I wish them all the luck in the world.

Not everyone gets to fly a shiny jet, and the lifestyle is not for everyone (recent outgoing FO going to turboprops), but if it is what you want and you are a mexican at heart why would you not go for this job?

I think the stench created by some high rolling Asian business men smoking 300 dollar cigars is a much more pleasurable experience than some of us whom have worked or commuted in the top end...

Every job has its pros and cons, this one provides you with a jet job working two crew in a highly structured environment with some of the nicest guys whom you want to be stuck on an overnight with...

[falconx]

Big differance between registration and call sign if I'm not mistaken

[wasbones]

Technically Charlie Charlie Charlie; practically "Tripple Charlie" is used by many of us ATCs. Try having Jetstar 66 Jetstar 661, Singapore 278 Singapore 238, Makaysian 141 and Malaysian 131 (just to name a few) all on frequency, they're the real problem :ok:

[falconx]

Wasbones, what is it meant to be legally? "Triple Charlie or CHARLIE CHARLIE CHARLIE"

[VH-XXX]

I'd argue it was good practice to not say anything three times in a row over the airwaves... For the same reason that VH-XXX will never be issued to an Australian aircraft... Think about it ;)

[Jack Ranga]

When I was talking to triple Charlie he'd call himself triple Charlie & I'd call him triple Charlie. Sue me, take me to court on that one, lol. I bet I know what the ATC's background was that counselled triple India over the airwaves :ugh:

[YPJT]

bet I know what the ATC's background was that counselled triple India over the airwaves . Not sure where you are going with that one but as I recall the conversation the controller was just advising mr T that the triple could no longer be used but he should contact them personally if he wanted to pursue the matter.

[compressor stall]

Is this another cultural cringe of whining over a callsign. Honestly WTF cares? Is it a safety issue? Is it tall poppy syndrome? It sounds good and rolls off the tongue better.

And as for the complaint about personal email addresses on the previous page - Remember it's easy for us Gen X's and older to say, "Don't use some combo of names and numbers." Remember, we took all the our.name@ email addresses at all the free servers before the gen Y's could use a computer! It's funny looking at all the combinations of youngsters' email addresses.

[RatsoreA]

In my younger days, there was a Pitts Special (?) in Canberra one day with the rego VH-XXX... What happened to it?

[PLovett]

In my younger days, there was a Pitts Special (?) in Canberra one day with the rego VH-XXX... What happened to it?

Perhaps it got censored. :}

[T28D]

The ATC that "counselled" me was a tired union hack with a chip on his shoulder that only a Scots Union man could carry, rather funny really , this sort of cruddy interchange just fosters the gulf in understanding between GAAP controllers and the pilot fraternity.

Does absolutely nothing for aviation safety or concordance.

Sad stuff from someone who slavishly follows a "rule" book no matter what, I would be alarmed if I got the same guy in the middle of an emergency or uncertainty situation, have to wait for him to read the book to find out what to do.

It always amuses me to come home from U.S. where controller to operating crew is a friendly helpful environment to Australian GAAP which is confrontational, lacks performance understanding and is not a comfortable environment.

[VH-XXX]

Interesting RatsoreA, I was told by CASA registration dept years ago that XXX would never be issued because X-ray X-ray X-ray sounds too much like Mayday Mayday Mayday and they mentioned ICAO requirements.

[galaxy flyer]

Several years past, sitting on the ramp at Tullamarine, waiting for catering ordered from the Crown. Pax show up, but no catering yet. Handler is on the phone, reports the Crown has delivered the catering (something like $1,000 USD per seat). Unfortunately, the driver delivered the catering to the Crown plane, crew happily boarded it for the ferry flight to SYD. We had 8 hours to K-L sans food with 8 unhappy pax. The good news was lead passenger knew Crown top management and we didn't get billed for it.

GF

[601]

Not so good for companies - if you are representing a company, you should have a company email address.

Why.......?

[Wally Mk2]

I find it somewhat amusing that we put that much emphasis on just an email addy.
Aussies tend to have preconceived idea's on all sorts of subjects & we are often very opinionated (me 2 as I am an Aussie:)) Judgmental we are perfect at:-)

I mean does it really matter how the first POC (Point Of Contact) is advertised?



Wmk2

[nitpicker330]

Galaxy flyer.....

So you flew 8 hours without catering with 8 pax.......????:uhoh:

Lucky there wasn't a riot around 3 hours into the flight.....:eek:

Why couldn't they have made the crown Aircraft return?


I wouldn't accept it as a high paying client flying corporate....( not that it's ever likely to occur!! :{ )

I know that if that happened in my Airline we would wait for new catering to arrive, they would never expect 8 premium pax to have nothing for 8 hours!!

Couldn't your crew buy something nice in the departure area to give the pax??

[Flying Binghi]

I find it somewhat amusing that we put that much emphasis on just an email addy...

email "addy", just a little detail...

Dealing with any clients, let alone high value clients, its all about the little 'details'. If you couldn't be bothered with the little 'details' of your first contact job application then maybe you couldn't be bothered with the little 'details' that get that client to return again.

[Wally Mk2]

'High value' clients as you say probably wouldn't even be making the contact directly, a PA for Eg I imagine would be doing that & am sure that the actual email addy isn't one of the 'little details' that's going to be an issue at first.

Bit like having the fanciest 'rubber plants' in an office foyer that guarantees nothing regarding service.

Wmk2

[T28D]

Bit like having the fanciest 'rubber plants' in an office foyer that guarantees nothing regarding service.

Northborne Avenue ????????????????????????????

[Trent 972]

In my younger days, there was a Pitts Special (?) in Canberra one day with the rego VH-XXX... What happened to it?
Rats, in your younger days (when your eyesight and memory was much better) you probably saw PTS2 VH-ZZZ. :E

On the OZ register there is a "Triple everything" except T & X.

As for not saying anything three times in a row over the airwaves, ICAO annex 10 volume II Aeronautical Communications, says.
With the exception of the telephony designators and the type of aircraft, each character in the call sign shall be spoken
separately.

Though a great many years ago (30+) on hearing a 'Triple' call sign on the radio, I looked it up in the AIP of the time, and it was a valid form of c/s.

[Tankengine]

CCC used to be a Decathalon at Archerfield. Later there was MMM as well.:)

[glen beard]

Maybe abbreviated call signs are a good idea, in some instances.
About 30 odd years ago,at JT, we had a pilot named Peter McBride,who,had a huge "stutter" problem.We heard him go out one day in a V35 callsign Kilo-Kilo-Kilo.
Now anyone who has the same unfortunate affliction will vouch that "K" is one of the hardest words to get out.The ATC's tried to help out because they knew him,but the more they tried,the more frustrated poor ole Pete got.
By the time he got airborne & requested an airways clearance he was bloody nearer to Perth airport than he was to JT.I am asure "triple Kilo" would have been handy because he blocked the airwaves for minutes.

[Capt Fathom]

AIP GEN 3.4 - 20, para 4.15

In certain circumstances, ATC can ask pilots to use a different call-sign, either temporarily, or for the duration of the flight.

I guess that gives a little scope if the call-sign is a mouthful !

[Mister Warning]

Tankengine : Are you sure that rego wasn't WWW-H^

[Tankengine]

Red CCC and blue MMM from memory, may have been a WWW there sometime too? Bob Tait's?:confused:

[Mister Warning]

Sorry Tank - thought you might have got that pun.
vH-MMM inverted (Decathlon) = WWW-H^
:8

[Tankengine]

:ouch: actually did get that but there could have been a WWW as well!:}
It is 30 odd years ago!;)

[Dash8capt]

This is Mike in the Mike Mike Mike received Mike.

[dash 27]

The question was pay, conditions and experiences regarding this operation. Not a lesson in RADIO TELEPHONY :ugh:

I respect the fact that Airline pilots to newbees might desire a celebrity position like this, but I would like a PM if one is in the know regarding this opportunity for Captains and FO's also. I understand that Corporate flying is not for everyone, but a friendly and informative conversation regarding this might help others make a decision to enter this sector of Oz Aviation.
Cheers:ok:

[Wally Mk2]

'dash' after more than 60+ posts the original poster hasn't been back to make further comment, that coupled with the fact that few here know anything about corporate flying & what T&C's there might be at any one particular Co (IE Crown) means the core subject was bound to drift off due lack of info, that's not a crime just the way most subjects here pan out.


Wmk2

[Jenna Talia]

The OP probably gave up in despair after seeing his thread hijacked multiple times. :ugh:

[Capt Fathom]

Actually, the first two pages had lots of info that should have been of interest to the OP.

But with no further input or queries from them, the thread found its own course!

A bit like how a normal conversation progresses. :ok:

[Engineer_aus]

legally it is charlie charlie charlie. However they use the callsign Triple Charlie. Pretty simple to be honest, and got me buggered why you all have such a huge issue over it. I can tell you that CCC is a nice machine inside and out.

[Avturbound]

Anyone have any word on if Crown have started the recruitment process for those positions advertised on AFAP? :ok:

[zendo]

Hey mate I have a phone interview tomorrow have you heard anything back from them?

[Avturbound]

Hey mate nothing heard.. what is your exp level? How did the phone interview go PM if u prefer.

Thanks AB

[vee1-rotate]

minger, if you're referring to the ad on AFAP, I'm pretty sure thats for Southern Cross Jets

[Capt Fathom]

Also one there for Crown.

[Density]

Anyone able to provide terms and conditions including pay? What is the morale like? I know they travel to SE Asia a reasonable amount, how many days a month away is typical?

Thanks

[Falling Leaf]

Anyone able to provide terms and conditions including pay? What is the morale like? I know they travel to SE Asia a reasonable amount, how many days a month away is typical?

Have you applied? I think the only way you will get that information is if you get invited for an interview. Big ask expecting to hear from the half dozen or so pilot's that Crown employ to tell all on this forum!

[fl610]

Are there any jobs going at Crown? I have heard that they have had a high turnover of Chief Pilots and crew in the last couple of years.

[gerry111]

Are there any jobs going at Crown? I have heard that they have had a high turnover of Chief Pilots and crew in the last couple of years.

I've heard that there are far more jobs available within the Crown Chinese gaming marketing division. (Apparently, there's a few Crown staff that the Chinese Government now prefer to make unavailable to them.)

Flying a biz jet with a cabin full of cigarette smokers wouldn't be my first choice.. :(

[fl610]

Indeed gerry, stacking shelves at Woolies is probably a better alternative. :ok:

[gerry111]

Indeed gerry, stacking shelves at Woolies is probably a better alternative. :ok:

Stacking shelves at Woolies may be a boring choice. But you may have a much longer life than carting Crown smoking whales in your cabin.

Perhaps talk to some of their previous incumbents?

[fl610]

Perhaps talk to some of their previous incumbents?[/QUOTE]

Thanks gerry, I have managed to talk to a couple (apparently there are many)! Woolies looking good at this stage. :(

[ramble on]

Rather than stacking shelves you could always apply for an inside job in the department that might get you noticed:

Tech Records & Pubs, Ops, FA.......

[fl610]

Rather than stacking shelves you could always apply for an inside job in the department that might get you noticed:

Tech Records & Pubs, Ops, FA.......

Do tell more. :ooh::E:

[john_tullamarine]

Mike Carney still involved ?

[ramble on]

Ironic that the native mandarin speaker's pronunciation of R can make it sound like L....I have heard, so I guess it'd be good if you spoke mandarin too.

Just so there's no missunderstandings.

[parabellum]

More to the point, what are the tips like? once upon a time, a long, long time ago I used to fly trainers, jockeys and punters around UK and Europe, never got a brass farthing from the trainers and jockeys, even when they had a winner but the punters were always good for a nice big note

[fl610]

More to the point, what are the tips like? once upon a time, a long, long time ago I used to fly trainers, jockeys and punters around UK and Europe, never got a brass farthing from the trainers and jockeys, even when they had a winner but the punters were always good for a nice big note

My understanding is that it is illegal for casino employees to accept tips. :=

[corrigin]

fl610,

It depends on the casino. I've worked for two casinos and they allowed us to accept tips. Not sure if your understanding is due to the ATO unable to track extra income, or whether it's a Federal/State law...

[patty50]

I use to work in a casino, the people who had state govt licenses eg dealers and supervisors were unable to accept tips by law. Unlicensed employees (waiters bartenders etc) were free to accept tips. I assume pilots would be allowed to since a pilot can’t be accused of helping a gambler beat the house.

Doubt pilots would get many. Is a Chinese whale going to go up front and give the pilot 10k?

[ramble on]

Heard good things about good paperwork, maintenance, tech records & the like.

Hear its a bonus if you like boats a lot too.

But it might be boring flyung.

Appreciate anyone with an inside leg givd us some tits.

Whoops I am terrible with spelling on small screens I meant anyone with a leg over give us some tips.

[Killer Loop]

Appreciate anyone with an inside leg givd us some tits.

You made me smile! 😀

[parabellum]

My understanding is that it is illegal for casino employees to accept tips. :=


Don't know, I was a charter pilot at the time. All tips very welcome, they paid the rent sometimes.

[ramble on]

A mate of a mate just told me that the place is just not the same after the big "fondue" incident of 2015.

I have no idea what he meant but it didn't sound good!

[fl610]

A mate of a mate just told me that the place is just not the same after the big "fondue" incident of 2015.

I have no idea what he meant but it didn't sound good!


Ramble my sauces (pun intended):E tell me that it was ‘fondant ‘

Also heard that there have been five Chief Pilots, three Chief Engineers and twenty plus resignations in the last few years! :eek:

Looks like it’s Woolies for me. :{

[StickWithTheTruth]

Also heard that there have been five Chief Pilots, three Chief Engineers and twenty plus resignations in the last few years! :eek:

Looks like it’s Woolies for me. :{

Yes, however how many people work for them in that dept....?

[ramble on]

Please can answers include a count of multiple personalities twice - some advance warning if you like?

[josephfeatherweight]

Does anyone speak English in this industry?

[fl610]

Yes, however how many people work for them in that dept....?

No idea, however they have three aircraft and presuming that they have two crews per aircraft (unlikely being corporate in Australia :rolleyes:) that is still a very high turnover............. of course this is assuming that the rumours are true.

[ramble on]

High turnover of staff you are suggesting......? Hang on I'd better check....

Google: "What causes a high turnover of staff?" Top Answer:
While some turnover can be expected, poor management can cause the normal turnover to climb to an excessive level. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, turnover can cost an organization 33 percent of an employee's total compensation, including wages and benefits.

Google: "How does Poor Management Cause Staff Turnover?": Top Answer:
There are several ways poor management affects turnover rates in a small business. Managers who operate like dictators, refusing to take other people's opinions into consideration, run off good employees. Companies who do not have 360-degree feedback tools, or performance reviews that ..." etc

Who'd have thunk it? Eager dictators who would like to put everyone up against the wall?? I don't believe it!

[LeadSled]

Folks,
Today's Australian reports one Global Express sold to Harold Mitchell, the reported sale price suggests somebody has taken a bath, compared to the advertised price new??
Tootle pip!!

[fl610]

Rumour has it that yet another Chief Pilot has quit! :sad:

[gerry111]

Folks,
Today's Australian reports one Global Express sold to Harold Mitchell, the reported sale price suggests somebody has taken a bath, compared to the advertised price new??
Tootle pip!!

Was that to the advertising guru: Harold Mitchell?

[fl610]

Was that to the advertising guru: Harold Mitchell?

Ad man Harold Mitchell joins high rollers with purchase of Crown jet - Canberra Times - Discussion on Topix (http://www.topix.com/aircraft/2018/02/ad-man-harold-mitchell-joins-high-rollers-with-purchase-of-crown-jet?fromrss=1)

[StickWithTheTruth]

the reported sale price suggests somebody has taken a bath, compared to the advertised price new??
Tootle pip!!

You're not wrong LeadSled, the Global Express doesn't quite hold its resale like the venerable Holden Statesman.

[gerry111]

I look forward to Harold Mitchell's next article in the Sydney Morning Herald.

(He's apparently currently overseas and supposedly didn't respond to a Fairfax Media enquiry.)

"This was a plane that was no longer being used. It was quite an old aircraft," said Crown's chief number cruncher Ken Barton.

Harold's right-hand man, Greg Solomon assured CBD "Mr Mitchell is not buying a plane for private use."

[ramble on]

Reckon the shareholders should be asking some hard questions and peeling back some layers!

[john_tullamarine]

What ? Surely he isn't still going about in the old 414 ? Chauffeured him hither and thither on a number of occasions many years ago in the old bus. A pleasant enough aeroplane to fly.

[ramble on]

Two posts here with the word "Barnaby" got deleted over the weekend.

It appears you cant say "Barnaby" or "doing a Barnaby" on the Crown Casino thread!

I wonder why that is considering he was deputy leader and a public figure. And HE was man enough to fall on his sword!
Personally, though, I think he had it coming after that silly performance over Captain Jacks dogs.

[FohnDew]

So....after all the discussion about the use of Triple in a callsign, the original question got lost.
FO jobs have just been advertised and I'm wondering what the pay and conditions are like?
Anyone able to answer that question?

[umop apisdn]

I've had a chat with then a while ago. This is second hand information so may be unreliable.

Apparently the pay is great. The clients usually smoke in the aircraft all the way to their destination in Asia. You could have 3 or 4 flight plans in and never really know where you'll be going or for how long. Hard to make plans for your days off because the schedule can be dynamic.

[machtuk]

I've had a chat with then a while ago. This is second hand information so may be unreliable.

Apparently the pay is great. The clients usually smoke in the aircraft all the way to their destination in Asia. You could have 3 or 4 flight plans in and never really know where you'll be going or for how long. Hard to make plans for your days off because the schedule can be dynamic.

That about sums it up perfectly, it's not a glamorous job at all despite what most think! You don't have a life in corporate aviation, you are not meant to have one !

[FohnDew]

Thanks for the replies. Any ideas of flying hours per annum? Days away per month? And approx pay?