Another lionair overrun

[babemagnet]

Lion Air overrun just happend at Gorontalo.

Dont have more details just yet

[Zeffy]

Photos: Lion Air 737 Overruns Runway, Strikes Cow at NYCAviation (http://www.nycaviation.com/2013/08/lion-air-737-overruns-runway-strikes-cow)

[jarvis123]

Just how many MAJOR incidents has this airline had?

[Capt. Inop]

Just how many MAJOR incidents has this airline had?

A few, but in this case one should cut them some slack as cowstrikes are difficult to avoid. :cool:

[oceancrosser]

Lion killing a cow. Pretty usual. Lionair off runway. Unfortunately pretty usual as well.

Question is, was the cow on the runway or did the Lion chase it off the runway. Would'nt the carcass have been left on the runway if hit there instead of being stuck under it in the mud?

[brit767]

Will be interesting to see if hitting the cow caused the overrun, or they hit the cow during a routine overrun.:hmm:

[golfyankeesierra]

And a cow-strike... pretty usual as well:

Edit: seems I can't embed the video.
Take a look on youtube: Tiger Moth Clips Cow! - YouTube (http://youtu.be/NrGnAu1BSvg) Priceless!

[Ultra Glide]

I'm wondering if over-runs were always this common but we just never heard about them because of no internet etc. back in the day?

I get a lot of aviation accident / incidents from a buddy who forwards stuff from Simon Hradecky and it seems like at least 70% of them are airplanes coming to rest somewhere off the paved surface and it seems like it's almost a daily occurrence somewhere in the world.

Very often, they were landing in rain but the METARS don't look that bad on most of them.

I've landed on lots of wet runways in rainy conditions and I haven't really experienced any handling problems. (Except on DC-9's / MD-80's the ground spoilers would not immediately auto-deploy on touchdown like it would on a dry runway.)

Of course, I can't recall landing on a seriously wet runway or in any significant amount of rain with a significant cross-wind, maybe that would make things more interesting.

Braking action was always more than adequate.

[jetjockey696]

welcome the indonesian jungle speed hump....

Its common for animals and people to wander onto the runway..

a couple of years ago a NZ pilot (Susi Air) was injured " A deaf person walking across a runway in Indonesia moments before a plane was about to land is believed to be responsible for a horrific crash involving a New Zealand pilot.

Jesse Becker is understood to be in a serious condition in hospital after the Susi Air plane he was piloting crashed in West Papua, Indonesia on Wednesday (local time).

Local media reported that, as the Cessna Grand Caravan approached the runway at Sugapa, a deaf person wandered across its path, causing the pilots to abort the landing. " stuff.co.nz



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ps3YMeoWk2U


Lion Air Jet Skids Off Runway After Hitting Cows


Three cows idling on an airport runway in Gorontalo caused a Lion Air jet carrying 110 people to skid off of the landing strip, a report issued Wednesday said.

Iwan Permadi, the pilot of the plane, told the Antara news agency that as he was landing on the runway he saw animals on it.

The plane, which was arriving in Gorontalo from Jakarta, proceeded to slide off the landing strip while touching down at Jalaluddin airport at around 9:00 p.m. on Sunday.

“There were three cows passing on the runway while the landing procedure was being conducted,” Iwan said.

“Fortunately, the ground near the runway was wet and muddy, and the airplane was able to come to a stop. The atmosphere in the cabin was under control, although there was some smoke present.”

No casualties were reported after the incident, but Iwan added that some of the passengers exited through the emergency doors and windows before the pilot gave official instructions to evacuate the airplane which led to two passengers spraining their legs.

The cows, however, were killed.

“When we tried to turn the aircraft around, it turned out that there was a cow carcass blocking the left wheel,” he said.

Iwan said that he had previously seen cows near the grounds of other airports, but never on a runway.


JG 7/8/2013

[jetjockey696]

Gorontalo Governor Rusli Habibie said Jalaluddin Airport was temporarily closed after a Lion Air aircraft skidded on the runway on Tuesday evening.

“The plane is still on the runway. Therefore, the airport must be temporarily closed,” he said in Gorontalo on Wednesday, as quoted by Antara news agency.

Rusli said the plane could not be removed from the runway unless the National Transportation Safety Committee (KNKT) issued a recommendation.

“I have talked with Pak Tatang [KNKT chief Tatang Kurniadi] and he has dispatched a team to Gorontalo via Manado. They will first carry out an examination and after that, they will issue a recommendation,” said Rusli.

The governor hoped that Jalaluddin Airport could resume operations as Idul Fitri-related travel peaked today.

Responding to a question on animals wandering around the airport’s runway area, Rusli admitted he often received reports that the airport’s fencing was not optimal.

“Lion Air management has just told me that animals, particularly dogs, are often seen on the runway. This problem should be immediately resolved,” said Rusli.

The Gorontalo administration is scheduled to hold a meeting with the KNKT and the Jalaluddin Airport management to seek ways of preventing such an accident from happening again.

Earlier, Lion Air pilot Iwan Permadi said his aircraft skidded on the runway after it hit three cows that had crossed the runway.

The aircraft, with flight number JT-892, was carrying 110 passengers, including five babies and seven crew members including pilot Iwan and co-pilot Faisal Hasnan.

The incident occurred at around 9 p.m. local time on Tuesday. (ebf)


Jakarta Post 7/8/2013

[smiling monkey]

The Gorontalo administration is scheduled to hold a meeting with the KNKT and the Jalaluddin Airport management to seek ways of preventing such an accident from happening again.

It's really not rocket science to prevent objects as large as cows from entering the airport environment. :rolleyes:

And whilst they're at it, can they also look for ways to stop people from crossing the runway at Biak when aircraft are on short final there?

[Dungdang]

Lion Air Jet Skids Off Runway After Hitting Cows - The Jakarta Globe (http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/lion-air-jet-skids-off-runway-after-hitting-cows/)

[fox niner]

So hold on.
This overrun incident was actually NOT caused by a typical Lion Air style - unstabilized appoach????
It was caused by something that was completely beyond their scope of responsibilities?????
Incredible. I was expecting that they hit the cow AFTER they had generously exited the airport perimeter by means of a 200 kts touchdown or similar. But not so apparently.

[Heathrow Harry]

sounds like the pilot kept his head, had a bit of luck and everyone walked away - apart from the cow

[oceancrosser]

“When we tried to turn the aircraft around, it turned out that there was a cow carcass blocking the left wheel,”

Riiiight. Was that before or after it got stuck in the mudbank?

[Ye Olde Pilot]

He saw the livestock too late?

Iwan Permadi, the pilot of the plane, told the Antara news agency that as he was landing on the runway, he saw animals walking on it.

He said he thought there were dogs in front of the plane as it came into land, “but it turned out there were three cows wandering in the middle of the runway.”

How could anyone in the tower not notice that there were three cows on the runway? :=

[HEALY]

Because the incident happened at 9pm? Just a thought, I wouldn't imagine ATC have a lot of light to play with other than some sporadic working lights dotted around some of these strips

[Heathrow Harry]

monkey wrote
"It's really not rocket science to prevent objects as large as cows from entering the airport environment.2

yeah but as your post re Biak points out this is Indonesia- all that lovely grass going free and hardly anything happens all day so of course any decent farmer is going to let his cows roam - and since he's probably related to the guys who run the airport who will stop him?

TBh they don't really need the tunnel at LHR - just let people zoom across 27N in between the flights - there's about 45 seconds each time after all

[Hogger60]

http://www.straitstimes.com/sites/straitstimes.com/files/20130807/LionAirJet0708e.jpg

Must have gotten some cow DNA on the 737, as it looks like it just wandered off the runway for a graze.

[reynoldsno1]

the airport’s fencing was not optimal.
Not optimal = it's got a hole in it.
How could anyone in the tower not notice that there were three cows on the runway?
The incident occurred at around 9 p.m. local time. Dark night, dark cows.

[Its the Pleats]

Sorry, I call BS. How would hitting a cow on the runway cause it to overrun? Even if it hit the MLG and took out brakes on one side it the 73 should still stop fine. Does it seem odd to anyone that the pilot involved is making statements this early? Arse covering by Lion air for sure!

Wait for the report, blah blah but I reckon we'll find that the overrun was caused by something else and the cows were grazing off the end of the runway and were hit by the plane then.

[flyboy_nz]

Sorry, I call BS. How would hitting a cow on the runway cause it to overrun? Even if it hit the MLG and took out brakes on one side it the 73 should still stop fine. Does it seem odd to anyone that the pilot involved is making statements this early? Arse covering by Lion air for sure!

I am with you on this one. They would rather blame the cow than the pilot/ATC/Lion. Normal for animals and people to wander on to the runway is not a acceptable fact considering an airport such as Biak which handles 737s. Up in the mountains where the Porters operate, maybe.

What's also interesting is why hasn't the DGCA done a safety audit of Lion after the string of accidents? Their AOC should be hanging on a thread by the second/third incident especially at the frequency Lion does it at! And let's not talk about the poor service of Lion Air. But in most Asian countries, I guess DGCA stands for Deposit Gifts Cash and Ayams!

[Pucka]

How lion air even retains an AOC is beyond belief but I guess it's all about the greasy wheels of corruption again..Bang Bang???

[ATC Watcher]

Easy on the G&T guys, look at the photo on post #19 (if that is the correct one ) , clearly this 737 is besides the runway, not at the end of it.

It is not the fisrt time aircraft land on cows, ( AF330,in Lagos comes to mind)
For me it looks more an airport fence problem than a Lionair one. But let's wait and see for more facts.

[jandakotcruiser]

Sigh...we have idiots casting aspersions and irresponsible remarks before checking up the facts. If you want to put in some adverse comments, do try to look up the facts from other sources before putting your foot in your mouth.

[NEWYEAR]

The amazing thing about these cases is that prevent land animals -wild or domestic- access the airport area does not depend on sophisticated technology, but only a few kilometers of fencing and adequate monitoring.
Something that in the XXI century should be available to countries like Indonesia, aspire to leave the Third World label to embark resolutely on the select group of emerging economies in the Asia-Pacific arc.

[deptrai]

final report by Indonesia NTSC is out:

http://www.dephub.go.id/knkt/ntsc_aviation/baru/Final%20Report%20PK-LKH.pdf

Short report: Airport perimeter fences were found to be broken (up to 500m stretches). Runway incursion. Cows getting bigger, suddenly. Impact 550m down the runway, at 120 kts. Remains of 2 cows found on left main landing gear. Hydraulics damaged, ineffective brake repsonse. A/c comes to a stop 2,100m down the rwy, after veering off to the left shoulder

Reversers and spoilers were deployed on touchdown, cavok, uneventful flight, no indications of unstable approach, airworthy aircraft, experienced pilots (both local, so no need to speculate about p2f here...).

Two pax suffered a sprained ankle after they decided to exit through the right over wing emergency exit, without being instructed to do so :ugh:

Other pax disembark uneventully through right fwd and aft doors, using stairs, as instructed by PIC :ok:

recommendations: fix the fence


http://s16.postimg.org/ngjiha5tx/cows.png