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Vilner
4th Aug 2013, 15:17
Today I checked my mail to find an email from Cathay pacific.
It's been a year and a half since I applied and haven't heard a word from them, but now they "request" applicants that are still interested.

Is this simply an 'update your CV' mail, or are they really that low on suitable applicants?

"


4 August 2013



Dear Mr. ***********

Cathay Pacific Airways requests applicants who remain interested in the Second Officer opportunity to re-submit their on-line application within six weeks of receiving this email via the following link https://www.cathaypacific.com/fcer/RecruitServlet?actionCode=deNewApply.

Once you have completed the application you will be allocated a new Personal Reference Number (PRN) and a Password to allow you to update your application information on-line. Please note that updates in any other format will not be accepted.

We recommend that you continue to update your information every six months or when there are significant changes to your personal and/or professional details. Kindly note that if you do not update your on-line application within 24 months of submission, it will be deleted from the database in accordance with Cathay Pacific Airways personal data policy

Should you have any queries, please do not hesitate to contact the Flight Crew Recruitment office by email at [email protected].

Thank you for your interest in Cathay Pacific Airways.

Yours sincerely
for Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd.,


Kelly Crawford
Flight Crew Recruitment Manager

People. They make an airline. www.cathaypacific.com"

Did anyone else receive this mail just now?

mothwing
5th Aug 2013, 05:14
same here, got a mail this morning.

ETCT
5th Aug 2013, 11:46
They have updated their online application system so need to re apply again to get the new reference number..:ok:

Bathurstwalla
5th Aug 2013, 12:35
I received this email too mate. It was sent to everyone as I have seen on other forms. So have they just deleted the entire database of applicants?:hmm:

pilotchute
5th Aug 2013, 15:10
To everyone thinking of Cathay. Non local Second Officer recruitment has been on hold for around 8 months and isn't due to start again until well into next year. You also have to remember that when recruiting for non HKID card holders was suspended, there were people who had been waiting for flight grading for 8 months and other who hadn't got a flight grading date even. So even when they do decide to start again they will have a backlog of about 100 or so people to get through first.

Even if you get an interview tomorrow, it will be at least 12 months just to get a flight grading spot.

flyer_spotter
6th Aug 2013, 01:31
This is interesting because I guess they just sent this to everybody, including those still in the selection process.

I just received this email from Cathay Pacific too but I haven't been rejected (no rejection email). To those that just checked their emails but haven't got a clue of what it is, don't freak out. I just called Cathay and apparently they have a "new" database...to me what seems more like a way to clean up their mess...

orangeboy
6th Aug 2013, 03:55
its probably so people can update their applications now without having to email them all the time.

attitudeFlying
6th Aug 2013, 08:06
I am trying to log in using my user-id but getting an error msg:
"System Error
The online application system is currently unavailable, please update your application information later."

I have been get this error every time I try to log in.
I have emailed Cathay regarding this, let see what reply I get from them.
Other than this, any suggestion/advice would be welcome.
Thanks.

orangeboy
6th Aug 2013, 08:52
do you have a crn or prn?

when i had the crn i would get the same message as you. now that i have a prn i can update whenever i like.

Luxury Villa
6th Aug 2013, 10:42
The email is interesting. Does anyone know for sure whether Cx is going to hire anymore non HKID card holders in the near future? The strong rumours swirling are as long as there are enough permanent HKID card holders applying, they won't be hiring others. Has anyone else heard this?

suntorytimo
6th Aug 2013, 11:51
Ok, there has been a bit of a shake up in recent months in the aircrew department at Cathay, so things might well be changing. The nature of things with Cathay I find, is that nothing is ever certain, and that goes for both ends of the scale.

Some things I found interesting about this new email.

1. In all likelihood they have wiped the old database as it is years old, and starting from scratch is easier than reviewing applicants who no longer want to be part of the programme, this is good. (Edit - for a bit more clarification, I think it is good because I don't think they have much difficulty getting HKID card holders through the process. Revamping the database would certainly help them sort through the enormous number of non HKID card holders.)

2. They say to make the application within six weeks, this is very good.

3. Within the new application, there are some changes, including the two essay type questions. (I much prefer the new questions). It seems to be an indication that they are ramping up recruitment.

Any one of these points doesn't mean much by itself, but all together it is quite encouraging. Hopefully they are starting a new recruitment drive so they can hit the ground running as the new orders start rolling in.

Bathurstwalla
6th Aug 2013, 12:26
Yes my hunch was that they were just clearing out the old database of people who have since moved on. There was probably thousands in there, who no longer have any interest in Cathay. No point asking them to interview and having no-shows.

flyer_spotter
6th Aug 2013, 13:52
Just a quick question, I know no one here would know the answer for certain but I am curious to see what you guys think.

For those of us who are half way through the selection process, will our applications be put on hold until we have resubmitted our applications? :E

pilotchute
6th Aug 2013, 14:36
Define half way?

If you didn't get an invitation to re submit your application then you are in the "manila folder section", ie your stuff is now printed out and filed.
They don't need your details again. If you did get an email then you will have to re submit and wait with everyone else. Lots of people waiting for flight grading and some who have done flight grading waiting for course spots.

As Suntorytimo said things change quickly at CX. I was told in my stage 2 interview that they were taking 200 cadets in the next 12 months and 4 weeks later I get a congratulations email and a "sorry we aren't recruiting for 12 months" email at virtually the same time. Most people wait from between 6 months to 18 months for an interview.

Seriously though even if you got a stage 1 interview in 3 months time and a stage 2 three months after that and flight grading 3 months after that you would still not even be starting course for 12 months. That would be a record breaking run for a non HKID card holder. Factor in 6 months course and 6 months to check to line, you might be an FO in say, 7 years from now?

I don't think aviation in North America and Europe is going to stay dead for that long. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

attitudeFlying
7th Aug 2013, 05:46
Orangeboy:

I have a CRN. Can you tell me how/when do we get a PRN?

orangeboy
7th Aug 2013, 06:22
resubmitted my application and then got a prn, like what the email said.

gachu
7th Aug 2013, 13:48
I applied the cadet programme 2 weeks ago n i got this email today, which says i need to re-apply as a SO… then i found that the application section in the cadet programme website doesnt exist anymore… what is going on with their system? Too many people applied as cadet?

flyer_spotter
9th Aug 2013, 05:55
Read the previous posts. Cathay has a new database and thus needs you to reapply. Just bad timing on our parts. :ugh:

greatbattle
10th Aug 2013, 06:39
It's interesting to see how you guys react to that email. Just so you know, there will be another change again, probably by the end of 2013 or the beginning of 2014, this time they ask you for application re-submission. Next time they're gonna ask you to PAY. What is it? Can't tell. You will soon find out. All i can say is NOTHING is FIXED in CATHAY.

Bathurstwalla
10th Aug 2013, 11:22
Pay for a new application? Or assessment like a Loco?

suntorytimo
10th Aug 2013, 11:48
They're not going to ask people to pay... I've never heard anything so ridiculous

greatbattle
10th Aug 2013, 12:38
Nah. They're not gonna charge you for an application fee nor ask you to pay for the training. Don't worry. It's the other thing. Sorry! this is how far how i can go. I'm not trying to encourage or discourage anyone, but it is just the whole "new data base" thing reminds me of another story. And by the way, I didn't make this up. It is the guy who hires and fires people told me. So you can choose what to believe.

Bathurstwalla
10th Aug 2013, 13:02
What else could they possibly ask an applicant to pay for? On-board Oxegen?

Arthur_Grob13
10th Aug 2013, 13:17
Anyone here will be going to stage 2 on coming 28th Aug?

CodyBlade
10th Aug 2013, 16:38
So you guys don't get it do you: the 4th floor have realized there are suckers out there who will pay [up to US$200k] for their license/rating/ATPL.

i.e if you want to hire a car driver, why must the Co. pay for his lic.?

Its already happening in a city state south of HK.

Bathurstwalla
10th Aug 2013, 17:46
Say it aint so Cody. I guess with Qatar charging £105,000 for a MPL its only a matter of time.

Is this actually going to be announced?

flyer_spotter
11th Aug 2013, 00:40
Well, with the ex-cadets not receiving any housing allowance and other benefits and signing a contract to work for the company for six years, isn't this the same as saying, they are paying for the training?

As far as I know, Cathay is saving a lot of money already by training its local cadets. But I wonder if requiring the cadets to pay for the training, like what Qantas has been doing, would help filtering those that are not so serious about the program in the initial selection process and make those that are in the program to work harder, making it more efficient?

pilotchute
11th Aug 2013, 04:24
The difference between the Qatar and the City State South of HK schemes compared to CX is that once you finish training you go straight to a RHS position on full FO pay once released to line. I'm pretty sure the Qatar guys get full expat benefits also.

CX cant possibly make you pay 100K to sit on the jump seat for 4-5 years and expect to get many quality applicants. They will get takers but of what calibre? How absolutely desperate would they be to take the deal? The only reason they get local applicants now is because you don't have to pay up front.

You certainly wont get any foreigners who already have a licence and 250 hours to pay again for a job surely?

Bathurstwalla
11th Aug 2013, 12:13
Considering the droves that signup to Lion air and the likes it unfortunately would not surprise me.
Although reading the Qatar thread they had to merge two mpl classes into one due to a lack of "suitable"(rich) candidates:D

pilotchute
12th Aug 2013, 02:42
Hey Bathurstwalla,

Do you mean they had so many bomb out during training that they had to merge the classes or they just couldn't fill two classes worth of students? Either way that is some funny you know what!

As a side note I thought CX allowed non ID card access to the AE and AB courses simply through a lack of suitable applicants in HK? When I say lack of suitable I mean in numbers not aptitude.

Bathurstwalla
12th Aug 2013, 11:26
This is the comment I noticed,
I have also been given the September start date and want me, and 3 others to be inducted in Qatar over the next few weeks.
The reason for the delay is that they do not have enough people to fill the August course (according to CTC) so will be looking to fill the Sep with these cadets.

From the same guy:
In all seriousness i am one of the few fortunate candidates who have willing parents to put a house on the line. Personally i don't feel comfortable with it and dont want to be 'another one of those cadets' that completely takes advantage of their parents.:hmm:

If the current pilot body of CX think current hiring practices result in subpar pilots, wait until this starts happening.

Mods I have problems with the quoted posts not the poster.