Hong Kong airlines infos

[arrighi]

Hi all,
Is there anybody in hk airlines with infos on salary, leaves tickets, commuting, roster, pension etc...
Thanks

[captncannot]

He just said Pension hahahaha

Just ignore the 100+ pages already written here, your case will be special.

[DUSKY DOG]

HKA is run by very dishonest management within Flight Ops that have been under investigation by HKG CAD
BEWARE

[mr Q]

Maybe he/she means Hong Kong airlines not HKA ...

[crwkunt roll]

Safety questioned at Hong Kong Airlines | South China Morning Post (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1287104/safety-questioned-hong-kong-airlines)
Nice parting shot.

[hka_historian]

Poor standards:eek:
Inept management:eek:
Questionable safety:eek:
Cover ups:eek:
Firing people with standards and integrity:eek:

CAD showing no spine with under-table deals influenced by mainland politics :eek:

Is anyone here surprised to see this article? :confused:

This has been going on since day one, and will be going on as long as it is HKA/E is in operation. The Singaporeans started this slow spiral downwards and the mainland managers have ensured it gets worse and worse.

One thing is for sure. HKA and HKE are SHlT, and always will be. What will it take before the CAD protects the paying public from this menace of a company by imposing more sanctions or closing them down all together?

Shame on you CAD for allowing this to happen, and allowing this company to drag down Hong Kong standards from what they once were.

[Fly Dego]

Hey guys, a few questions for you. I know HKA is not the most favoured airline here, but they do accept NTR pilots. A lot of data I found on these forums where ~3 years old so here goes.

-What is the current payscale like on the A330?
-What is the rostering like?
-Is there a current HKA A330 (expat pilot) who wants to share his oppinions about this company in it's current state.

Cheers!

[twotigers]

"Not most favoured?

They are one of the ****tiest, slimiest operators in Asia.

Take a serious look at yourself and maybe find a new career if you think joining there is good idea.

Also, NO.. They used to take NTR, but they have found many others who have been fired, or failed out of other companies that have type ratings they can hire.

No shortage of bad pilots it seems

[Fly Dego]

I'm just trying to make a fair assessment here and I value all opinions equally. It's not so much that I want to join, I'm just looking at all the companies that are presently hiring and I figured I know the least about this airline. Even on PPRuNe most of the threads are ~3 years old and I thought they might have changed over the time (how long can an airline really run like this). I guess I'm just a positive thinker.

It's like they say: "an optimist is nothing more then a badly informed pessimist"

[Boeing Europe]

They are currently advertising for non type rated A320 positions I have applied

[twotigers]

I hope you get it.

Only then will you realise how pathetic the airline and by virtue of working there, you, truely are.

[squarecrow]

@ boeing now you understand my answer to your post on the HKA A320 thread, I don't work for them either BTW.

[twotigers]

It appears BoeingEis busy trying to get on all sorts of **** carriers if you look at all his posts.

Grow a pair man, and get a proper flying job. If you can't, then get another job.

Working for Orient Thai, HKA or whoever is not going to help your resume at all.

[twotigers]

Dork.. lovely.

Yea, I do ok now.. but it took work and years of experience.

Some of the jokers @ HKA have fabricated license' and credentials.
They would never pass a sim here, so no.. They don't deserve it, and YES they are employed by a **** airline with NO standards, low pay, lower moral, and in fact no long term stability.

[squarecrow]

I heard they hired at least 1 Immature bitter and twisted F;heads from a certain loco in Malaysia who cant go anywhere else for starts.

[320busdriver]

Twotigers you really are a prat:ugh: how does a fo earning nearly 80000hk or nearly 10k USD constitute as low pay even in HK, ok that includes MBA for housing, get your small brain out of the sewer. You obviously hate them, thats your prerogatives but spreading utter garbage is something else :mad:. If you really want to talk about low pay look at airasia X heard from my buddy there that everyone has to buy an ipad since company moving to jeppesen charts but company will only reimbursed slightly more than half of the cost of the ipad, now thats freaking low pay and cheapskate:yuk:. Now those guys there need to standup for their rights.:(

[twotigers]

You sir, are a LIAR

LIAR

HKA salary is MUCH lower than you posted. Its almost half that. There is a NEED to fly X number of hours to get productivity pay.. sadly most months the flying isn't even available. Your number includes Housing.. which.. BTW.. similiar flats to mine for $50,000 and its not flash, not huge and not in Central.

So if you even somehow could get that 80,000 number as a FO at HKA (and folks.. it just doesn't happen with regularity) and you got a really ****ty place for 25-30 K , then you're back down to 50ish HK, or a little over 6,000 usd..

But wait there's more.. theres FOOD, transport.. hope you don't have kids, as you won't be able to afford to put them in school... literally. The fees will be higher than your remaining cash.

No.. as I'll stick by my statement that ANYONE working at HKA is not employable at a real company due to low time, bad experience / incident accident, or simple fraud, of which a number have been discovered.

You sir, are a liar.

[320busdriver]

Twotigers I stand by what I wrote and will challenge you any time of the day. The figures I quoted are for senior first officers with more than 3000hrs under their belt and most of them fly more than 50hrs a month, by any stretch of the imagination 80000hkd is a very decent salary even in lofty hong kong. I know you are super pissed with them:ugh: but please don`t let that fog up the real figures, sure if you have kids and they go to international school you might be tightening your belt once awhile:( but you can live comfortably well on that scale.
Maybe if you were not so freaking angry all the time you might just be able to see the blue skies from the clouds and stop insulting the guys working there whom like the rest of us are just trying to get by doing a job they love:ok:

[goldwing2006]

You Sir, TT should get your facts right before spouting forth.
The FO's contract are based on 50 hrs per month guaranteed pay therefore whether one does one hr or 50 hrs it matters not a jot. There's no need to fly more then 50 hrs however anything over that amount will be extra pay.Your bitter twisted dislike for HKA has totally clouded your judgement for the right facts.:ugh:

[ChinaBeached]

I looked at HKA a while ago. The systems, their reputation and very low standards made me decide to not apply. But for the record the figures quoted by 2Tigers is wrong and very misleading. No, not a "liar" but just ill informed. Sorry mate, but here are the facts from HKA's CoS 11 which I have in front of me courtesy of some friends.

An A330 FO with > 3000 hrs jet experience earns $81,250 HKD per month based on a min 50 hrs per month. Work 50 hrs and get $81,250. Work 1 hr and get $81,250. Work > 50 hrs and "overtime" pay goes $450 per hour from 51-75 hrs = $450 HKD per hour. > 76 hrs = $650 HKD per hour.

So an A330 FO working 84 hrs a month (the CX magic number) earns $81,250 plus (75-51).450 + (84-76).650 = $97,250 HKD per month.

No idea of the average monthly hours guys are doing..... Anyone?

No housing. Pathetic Provident Fund. No schooling. Minimal overnight allowances. Dangerously bad health insurance. CAD restrictions due safety concerns. Senior TRE's resigning due standards and safety concerns (as per that newspaper article (http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbour/519713-safety-questioned-hong-kong-airlines.html).

Close to CX B-Scale? No way. Comparable to the rest of the world not in the cocoon of self adoring CX sell outs (who rolled over to allow C-Scale, CoS 08, RA 65, mutter "Contract Compliance" every now and then but no balls to back it up....49ers anyone?).... yes. But based on the CAD's restrictions, management practices, upgrade honesty and probability, their history and present issues and direction - I'd stay right away!!!

My point is, unlike the CX C-Scalers, know what the ENTIRE deal is before committing to it. Salary is but ONE factor.

2Tigers - I believe you should do the right thing and retract your accusation of "liar". CX-esque B-Scale is dead thanks to you all at CX looking after your own self interest, protecting your own contracts and not giving a damn about the future: that includes your AoA who also covet their own back pockets above the next generation's. When you allowed C-Scale you (at CX) lost all credibility to voice an opinion about integrity or morals.

HKA - stay away from what colleagues say based on their past, present and future direction, as well as my own research. Ask yourself why are they recruiting when they are unable to expand? People are running. A LCC FO might see that salary as great, but it comes at a severe cost to your career and future. I did, as I did when I turned down CX C-Scale. No regrets and a better career as a result.

VNA and Air Pacific are recruiting for 330 pilots on far better conditions and terms than HKA.

[Baron Captain ?]

I guess getting extra pay by the hour is the reason the HKA aircraft are taxing so god damn slow:ugh:
I've heard HKG-ATC yell at them to please hurry up a few times in the past week!!!.. Clearly these guys are going as slow as possibly can:ugh:
All about the $$$ or lack of....

[Adam Nams]

No housing. Pathetic Provident Fund. No schooling. Minimal overnight allowances. Dangerously bad health insurance...

13JK5kChbRw

You were lucky!

[BTC-GC]

interesting... BC

haven't you ever seen any KA or CX aircraft taxiing at 2kts after leaving 25R from the very last high speed to the gate... and you never suspect any of those Crews are in their overtime?

[Madp1lot]

I back up what ChinaBeached wrote.
I also have HKA CoS and the numbers he posted are correct.
I also know that the pay's the same for A320 guys and they'r doing about 75h/m. It depends only on your flying CV.
FO base pay depend on your Jet time:
<1500h = 25.000
1500-3000= 35.000
>3000h = 45.000
Then add:
50h garanteed pay = (~13750)
50h-75h = 450
>76h = 650
(+11250 for 75h monthly)
MBA = 20.000
CNY Productivity Bonus of 30k 1st year, 45k on the 2nd and 60k on the 3rd.

That's an average monthly gross salary of:
<1500 jet h = 70.000
<3000 jet h = 80.000
>3000 jet h = 90.000
Plus the yearly CNY BONUS.

KA pays better? How long you have to wait for a shot at a LH positionin KA? What about CX?
What if you're not a 26y old pilot and can't afford another decade (or 2) for a career upgrade?

Just guiving out some food for your brains to digest.

Cheers.

[Lowkoon]

Off topic for a minute, BTC-GC, I cant speak for CX, but KA are limited to single engine taxi, hence the slow speed. Just another way we are giving back to all the people who voted us the worlds best regional airline! :ok:

[goldwing2006]

Lowkoon what a load of crap you're spilling!! I've seen your KA A320 zooming at breackneck speed on taxiway H only to slow to a walking pace halfway way down the taxiway! What were you trying to give back to the people that voted for you "Fast and Furious" Say it like it is, you guys are not whiter then white:=

[Dan Winterland]

KA pays better? How long you have to wait for a shot at a LH positionin KA?

Basic, a bit better - yes. Then factor in additional benefits such as duty pay, education allowance, 13th month, gratuity the difference increases a lot. DEFOs getting commands currently have been in the company about 6 years, but this is reducing quickly at the moment.

[Dan Winterland]

I've seen your KA A320 zooming at breackneck speed on taxiway H only to slow to a walking pace halfway way down the taxiway!

KA A320s are equipped with the IAE engines which have much greater residual thrust at idle than the CFMs. The recommended taxi technique for the 320 with that engine is to let the aircraft accelerate to 30 knots before slowing it down in one to to 10/15 knots before letting it accelerate again. Riding the brakes heats them up and wears them quickly.

[Baron Captain ?]

Anyway guys you are all missing the point.... If you had experience you wouldn't join HKA nor CX nor KA... Why?
HKA...Is crap money
KA...8 years to command to fly an A320 around China
CX.....12 years + to command?

Why not goto Emirates or Etihad?
I know for a fact its 3.5 years to Command at Etihad on a B777....

Crap money or not crap money, no experience or no experience or crap management running the airline...why would u waste your time in HKG unless you really really wanted to live here??...The good days of this industry are all but gone.. You need housing allowance and education allowance to survive as a married with children situation in hkg....And none of the above seem to cut it at moment...

[DUSKY DOG]

Whatever salaries and conditions are on offer,the stories around the Harbour is that they lack a lot of wide-body experience,in LVO,Etops,long haul,basic airmanship, as incidents have shown since the start.
As a young F/O ,you don't want to pick up bad habits for the sake of hours, and with an HKA background for any length of time you are more than likely NOT to be accepted by a reputable airline in the future.
Be careful, it isn't worth it.

[fala-serio-HKE]

HKA's culture and management are the worst in Aviation and that includes the mainland airlines north of the border.

If you enjoy being treated like sh1t, have your contract changed at any time, and hearing the words "if you do not like it there is the door" (in CRM class by the infamous WuWu):rolleyes: Then join HKA or HKE.

One thing will never change, that is it's is a great place to get a type rating then Pi$$off to a better airline. :ok:

[Killaroo]

Dusky Dog "airmanship"

Airmanship?
:mad:
Airmanship is not required to fly an Airbus.
In fact it is highly discouraged!

You fly the book.
End of.

[Intruder One]

I know HKA does not get very many positive comments here,but I do like HK.I think they need A-320 Capts but I get nothing from them...nada...zilch.Do they have the 55 age cutoff there like mainland?

[DUSKY DOG]

Make sure you can read the checklist in Tagalog:eek:

[Killaroo]

Tagalog?
Mine is in Franglaise.

Speaking of which - is there anything more bizarre in aviation than a Portuguese/Kraut/Filipino 'instructor' telling native English speakers how to interpret Franglaise?

[Scott_T]

Could someone please provide me with a Hr phone number for Hong Kong airlines/express, or even an insider e-mail, I know they are not the most popular crowd but for family reasons I need a HK job

[Mantaray]

Scott t I don't think they will reply to personal email.

[Scott_T]

Even a phone number? They have never responded to any of my e-mails I have sent to the recruitment e-mail address despite meeting all the minimums.

[DUSKY DOG]

Not surprised, even the office staff are leaving its that bad.Unless you are Phillipino, forget it, as they are the only ones getting promoted and taking over.
Better join Cebu Pacific and take advantage of cheaper housing and nicer weather.:sad:

[jowong1]

Any more latest info on HKA? Particularly hiring, training and flying

Thx

[boocs]

Not quite HK Airlines, but same group...

Avalon's Hainan Airlines deal could attract more carriers | Plane Talking (http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2014/04/11/avalons-hainan-airlines-deal-could-pull-more-in-more-carriers/)

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[hijack]

FYI CO JOs applying for direct entry FO's. This is what they said, there will be no upgrades event if you have loads of hours on type.

Second, as I feel, this is not a hong kong company. Was interviewed and felt disgusted. 4 guys on the panel. 1 Chinese, 1 Philipino (Baldy), 1 Malaysian, and the last one, I don't bother. Point is that these ppl are just lack of confidence.

Question is, Does HKA really knows what they HK ppl wants? Politically speaking, Hong kong and philipines don't really have a good relationship after the bus hijack incident. Why put a Flip there? And the dispute of spraty islands... LOL this is going to be interesting.

Not a single white guy in that interview and not a single hong kong chinese in that interview. I am not impress.

[JulyBlue]

- The company culture is punitive, requiring strict compliance. There are many rules the employees must follow to avoid punishment or disadvantages. Many deficits in leadership style and training philosophy.
- Unacceptably high command failure rate in a very lengthy upgrade assessment. This entails a high attrition rate.
- Airbus procedures are perverted by many company modifications and policies which increases the complexity of daily life as pilot significantly. No room for common sense. Their excuse: "we have many nationalities on the flight deck."
- There is no training, it's all checking.
- One has low influence on her/his individual duty plans, many restrictions. Their excuse: "lack of manpower." As a consequence expect many changes in shift and therefore a high level of fatigue.
- Hong Kong has a very liberal jurisdiction and is one of the most expensive cities in the world. Imho its people are not the friendliest.

--> It is a terrible airline, it is a terrible region. You are nothing but a working slave. Avoid, if you are not desperate.

[JMock]

level 3 at the ICAO, hijack?

was HKA. not impress?

[sewerpiper]

Working for Orient Thai, HKA or whoever is not going to help your resume at all.
Just to try to counter some of this negativity here, I worked at HKA for three years. There is no question that the experience I gained there lead to my career job I’m at now. I was happy at HKA and am very happy at my new airline. Is HKA a career job? No. Is it a horrible place like the others say here? No. Does it look bad on your resume?? No!

[Below the glide]

Just to try to counter some of this negativity here, I worked at HKA for three years. There is no question that the experience I gained there lead to my career job I’m at now. I was happy at HKA and am very happy at my new airline. Is HKA a career job? No. Is it a horrible place like the others say here? No. Does it look bad on your resume?? No!

well said mate. The airline has come a long way and is run fairly well.

They offer quite a bit now for the pilots, especially upgraders. Quality has changed and the Managment are quite good now. (80% you could say).

Good luck on your careeer move.