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axefurabz
15th May 2013, 22:29
From the school of you-couldn't-make-it-up, via the Daily Telegraph:

A local council decided against flying the flag of St George after concerns were raised that it would offend the town’s 16 Muslim residents.

Eleanor Jackson, a university lecturer, said the red and white symbol could cause upset in Radstock (pop. 5,600), Somerset, because it was used during the Crusades 1,000 years ago.

The Labour councillor voiced her concerns at a meeting called to discuss which flag should be purchased to fly atop the town's repaired civic flagpole.

She said: “My big problem is that it is offensive to some Muslims, but even more so that it has been hijacked by the far right.

"My thoughts are we ought to drop it for 20 years."

500N
15th May 2013, 22:33
Were the town's 16 Muslim resident alive when the crusade happened ?

Does that mean we all stop eating Pork and drinking alcohol ?

It's the thin end of the wedge :O

pigboat
15th May 2013, 23:08
Eleanor Jackson, a university lecturer, said the red and white symbol could cause upset in Radstock (pop. 5,600), Somerset, because it was used during the Crusades 1,000 years ago.

It's been a thousand years ffs. Get over it already.

TBirdFrank
15th May 2013, 23:15
http://www.baneslabour.org.uk/images/eleanor_jackson.jpg

To quote the famous Monty Python sketch - "Say No More"!!! :yuk:

TWT
16th May 2013, 00:04
The Muslims aren't offended !

Council vetoes flag of St George after concerns raised about links to Crusades - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/10059873/Council-vetoes-flag-of-St-George-after-concerns-raised-about-links-to-Crusades.html)

Fox3WheresMyBanana
16th May 2013, 00:10
Next thing you know, Harry won't be allowed to dress as a Nazi any more!

Airborne Aircrew
16th May 2013, 00:35
Sorry... Bollux, I'm not...

You lot over there have become such an utter bunch of [email protected] you deserve all you get...

Grow some, please!!! Show me you are still the country that once ruled the world...

Of course, the problem lies here... Anything to make the case...

but even more so that it has been hijacked by the far right

Dushan
16th May 2013, 00:38
but even more so that it has been hijacked by the far right.

Isn't this the real reason?

CityofFlight
16th May 2013, 00:42
If a few Muslims don't like it, Shirley, they can feel free to move?

sisemen
16th May 2013, 01:09
Yeah. Let's also scrap the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight on account that it might give offence to the odd German chappy.

At least with a boat race like that she's unlikely to get any muslim to pork her. :E

PukinDog
16th May 2013, 03:37
Looks like the only crusader in this story is Eleanor Jackson, so could someone please give her a helmet with a closed visor to wear for any further pictures? Thanks.

500N
16th May 2013, 04:27
I think she just about epitomises exactly what I hate about
Left wing do gooder wankers in the world, of which the UK
and Australia seem to have a high number :O

toffeez
16th May 2013, 04:48
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdCzY8wigu98yvh4RMLuLrsdocqZNBGHltO0PmpPU sHXb2aV-g

'The rainbow flag of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender pride movement will be flown at “appropriate” times
of the year while an In Bloom flag will celebrate the town's achievements in the gardening competition.'
.

TractorBoy
16th May 2013, 06:38
'The rainbow flag of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender pride movement will be flown at “appropriate” times of the year
while an In Bloom flag will celebrate the town's achievements in the gardening competition.'


Given Islams opinion of homosexuality, I thought they'd have banned that flag as well :ugh:

500N
16th May 2013, 06:47
toffeez

Was that really on the council web site ?


If it was, Tractor boy is spot on and makes a joke
out of them over the St George Flag.

StressFree
16th May 2013, 06:58
Airborne Aircrew,

Spot on sir, spot on!!!!! :D:D:D

As a proud Englishman I'm so ashamed of what we've become, looking at the great Empires of the World the fall from grace of the British is the steepest ever. We went from greatness to hopelessness in just a few generations....

Not all our fault admittedly, the Germans had something to do with it, but a steeper decline has rarely been seen.

And now we have apologists like this idiot saying we shouldn't fly the flag of St.George....... Honestly you couldn't make it up.

So to you Eleanor Jackson I say this - F off and live elsewhere, it's poisonous people like you who undermine us all, including the Muslims who you purport to be standing up for. In my experience they want no special treatment and just want to be left alone to live their lives without being highlighted as 'different' and needing special consideration. Clearly some want a Jihad but the massive majority just want to live in peace. They don't need you stirring up 1000 year old troubles. Do the decent thing and resign, you're unfit for public office.

Rant over.

sisemen
16th May 2013, 07:10
Should you wish your feelings to land at the right pair of feet:

Contacts & Useful Info - Bath and North East Somerset (BANES) Labour Group - Your local Labour councillors (http://www.baneslabour.org.uk/contact.php?Message=Your+message+has+been+sent+-+Thank+you)

I'm sure the leader of the "labour group" (now why doesn't that surprise me) would welcome your comments.

500N
16th May 2013, 07:11
I did a search on "The rainbow flag of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender pride movement will be flown at “appropriate” times of the year"

In the newspaper articles about the council, no one seemed to pick
up on the fat that Muslims do not approve of Homosexuality.

But more importantly, the Muslim Council of Britain said they
disagreed with the Council and wanted the St George Flag to
be flown.

So where the hell these people get these ideas from, god only
knows but they really are barking up the wrong tree.

felixflyer
16th May 2013, 07:29
Comments like this are made in order to try and sound superior to others, as if they are somehow on an intellectually high plane than everybody else. Most of the PC brigade are the same, they can achieve nothing of any worth on their own merit so come out with this kind of thing as a way of boosting their ego and getting themselves known.

The problem is they are allowed to get away with it because everybody is too scared to argue with them, they will use taboo subjects such as race, religion, disabilities, homosexuality etc. to boost their own profile knowing that nobody dare argue with them and if they do those people are called right wing and mocked.

It is people like this and their ability to control the way we live which are undermining our whole society IMO, we know the Muslim people do not agree with her and were probably not even asked, this is all about her.

Capetonian
16th May 2013, 07:30
The Muslims generally don't give a toss about these things. They have lives to get on with, businesses to run, and children to educate.

It's the self-righteous, priggish, sanctimonious self-important, pompous little clerks in offices who dream up these things who are to blame for the rifts in society caused by this type of nonsense.

Edit to add ........: Who are mostly white Anglo-Saxons who should learn to keep their snouts out of other peoples' business, then we would all be better off.

500N
16th May 2013, 07:35
Capetonian

Thanks, you just have me some more words to add to my normal
"lefty socialist do gooder latte sipping" rant :O

I agree with both you and Flexi, they are spot on posts :ok:

angels
16th May 2013, 08:09
Has anyone read the full story? The headline is classic pandering to people's prejudices.

The debate in the council was whether or not to fly a Union Flag or the Cross of St. George on certain days. If they'd chosen the Cross of St George the headline would have read, "Council vetoes Union Jack."

The piece also goes on to explain that local Muslims are not offended at all by either flag.

Don't let one daft old bat's comment -- which the council says wasn't liestened to -- convince you that Blighty has gone down the drain, bring back hanging, UKIP's got it right, anyone who disagrees will be flamed, drone drone drone.......

Tankertrashnav
16th May 2013, 08:15
Just my twopennorth, but other than on St George's Day I'm not sure when it would be appropriate to fly the cross of St George on a public building. Our national flag is the Union Jack (ok, Union Flag to forestall the pedants) and that's the one that should be flown.

It's a much less boring flag anyway. Still I have no doubt that the JB outrage bus, fuelled on hot air, will run and run :*

tony draper
16th May 2013, 08:17
I suspect a lot of these people afflicted with a face like a frogs arse and the personality of a whelk operate under the premise of 'If you cant be loved be hated'
:)

Lord Spandex Masher
16th May 2013, 08:18
Out of curiosity when is it appropriate to fly the Rainbow flag?

tony draper
16th May 2013, 08:52
I'm thinking of starting up a Crusader reenactment society in my town,we will be available for Church Functions,Agricultural Shows Mosque openings and such.
:rolleyes:

Lon More
16th May 2013, 09:00
What's wrong with the Cornish Flag

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article205657.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/cornish-flag-generic-823592121.jpg

or would that upset the rabid right little engerlanders?

Cacophonix
16th May 2013, 09:05
I love the smell of outrage, smells like another Daily Mail article in the morning.

Fly the Union Jack and let nay sayers be damned say I.

Caco

toffeez
16th May 2013, 09:30
If the Scots become independent there will be no reason to keep their contribution to the union flag.

Since the Irish left long ago, the flag of St George should become the official one everywhere in England.

The Welsh can go for a leek.
.

Mac the Knife
16th May 2013, 10:28
"The objections raised about the flag of St George were branded “oversensitive” by the local Muslim community while the Muslim Council of Britain said England's patron saint should not be associated with “any hatred of Muslims”.

Spokeswoman Nasima Begum said: "St George needs to take his rightful place as a national symbol of inclusivity rather than a symbol of hatred.”

Rizwan Ahmed, spokesman for the Bristol Muslim Cultural Society said: "I think they are going a bit far here.

"It is political correctness going a bit too far.

"Use by the far right is one thing, but to say that Muslims are offended I don't think is correct. We understand the flag is part of this country's heritage, and in fact many many Muslims will identify as being British themselves.

"In actual fact we are normal people. We have a sense of humour and have the same concerns as everyone else – we are not just some single group." "

Fascinating how the luvvies are so ready to take offense on other people's behalf - and thereby create strife when there was none.

Perhaps that is their objective - so that they can then wax even more righteous in the wake!

Mac

:ok:

felixflyer
16th May 2013, 10:37
So the Muslim people are not offended. It does however have the capacity to get people worked up about race and take things the wrong way where there is no issue in the first place.

I think the woman should be charged with 'Stirring Racial Hatred'. That will teach people like her to maybe ask those that she thinks may be offended, before speaking out on their behalf and creating more tension in the community.

DX Wombat
16th May 2013, 10:48
The Welsh can go for a leek.I think you will find they much prefer this:

http://ak4.picdn.net/shutterstock/videos/431359/preview/stock-footage-seamless-looping-high-definition-video-of-the-welsh-flag-waving-on-a-flag-pole-with-luma-matte.jpg

But if you still insist on something from the plant kingdom then this is the preferred option. ;)

http://www.wales-calling.com/culture/daffodil.jpg

The best way to deal with madam would be to refuse to vote her back onto the council the next time she comes up for election.

angels
16th May 2013, 10:52
Interesting point felixflyer, but as you say, there was no issue in the first place -- until the Torygraph stepped in.

They're deliberately stirring things up by running what is a non-story (apart proving that silly old bats still exist in the countryside) with an inflammatory and misleading headline.

cdtaylor_nats
16th May 2013, 10:54
That would be St. George the patron saint of Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine and Israel?

So by refusing to fly the flag they are anti-semitic, anti-Palestinian and anti-Greek.

Cacophonix
16th May 2013, 10:56
They're deliberately stirring things up by running what is a non-story (apart proving that silly old bats still exist in the countryside) with an inflammatory and misleading headline.

The press being tendentious, surely not?.

The Telegraph becomes more like the Daily Mail by the day... all that is now missing is the obligatory Mail story of some chavish crime and the cute animal tale...

Caco

Hydromet
16th May 2013, 10:59
I think you're all being a bit harsh on Ms Jackson. I can understand a dragon not wanting to fly St. George's flag.

bluecode
16th May 2013, 11:00
She quite right even if the Muslims themselves seemed to fail to be offended. They could be offended if someone told them they should be.

Over here in Ireland I'm lobbying to have the Irish tricolour removed from public buildings in case it offends British visitors. Particularly those from Northern Ireland who seem particularly sensitive to such matters.:ok:

It's the least we can do.

stuckgear
16th May 2013, 11:03
Over here in Ireland I'm lobbying to have the Irish tricolour removed from public buildings in case it offends British visitors.

Whoa there Paddy..

you know it'll get replaced with the EU flag... if there's anything to rile up the British visitors, as well as the home team.. it'll be that frigging blue flag with the gold stars in a circle.:}

Davaar
16th May 2013, 11:19
What's wrong with the Cornish flag?

Not much, I think:

A good sword and a trusty hand!
A faithful heart and true!
King James's men shall understand
What Cornish lads can do!
And have they fixed the where and when?
And shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!

Chorus
And shall Trelawny live?
And shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!

Out spake their Captain brave and bold:
A merry wight was he:
Though London Tower were Michael's hold,
We'll set Trelawny free!
'We'll cross the Tamar, land to land:
The Severn is no stay:
With "one and all," and hand in hand;
And who shall bid us nay?

Chorus
And shall Trelawny live?
And shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!

And when we come to London Wall,
A pleasant sight to view,
Come forth! come forth! ye cowards all:
Here's men as good as you.
'Trelawny he's in keep and hold;
Trelawny he may die:
Here's twenty thousand Cornish bold
Will know the reason why

Chorus
And shall Trelawny live?
And shall Trelawny die?
Here's twenty thousand Cornish men
Will know the reason why!

But nevertheless, and being myself from North of the Border, it pains me to read of a stunned Englishwoman ashamed of England and England's flag.

AlpineSkier
16th May 2013, 11:24
or would that upset the rabid right little engerlanders?

Absolutely incapable of mentioning England without sneering.

angels
16th May 2013, 11:40
Caco - know what you mean but the 'Torygraph Totty' is of a much more superior standard than the Wail.

Most days the Torygraph has un-warranted pictures of totty on their front page. Today it is of one Carey Mulligan (never heard of her) who has a plunging neckline in Cannes. The 'story' to accompany the picture is on page 5.....

Disappointment alert - there isn't really much to plunge between if you see what I mean.

OFSO
17th May 2013, 13:25
A Crusader reenactment society Mr D. ? OFSO's already ahead of you ! (Yes I know the jeans aren't very authentic but I had an accident in my tights that day...as one does...)

http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu287/ROBIN_100/Robinandjan_zpsc3952f60.jpg

toffeez
18th May 2013, 07:58
Cross dresser?

OFSO
18th May 2013, 08:23
No, I was quite happy at the time !

sisemen
18th May 2013, 08:26
Bit old to be a hoodie aren't you OFSO?

Lon More
18th May 2013, 08:44
Tofeez wrote Since the Irish left long ago, the flag of Saint George should become the official one everywhere in England.

Try telling that to the Rev. Ian Paisley.

Absolutely incapable of mentioning England without sneering. No, I reserve that for bigots like you.

Tankertrashnav
18th May 2013, 08:49
Davaar The Song of the Western Men or Trelawney as it is popularly known, was the Flower of Scotland of its day, with its fictitious account of a historical event with the dastardly English supposedly suppressing a minority. It was written by a Devon parson called Robert Stephen Hawker in 1824.

In 1688 Bishop Trelawney, a Cornishman, had been imprisoned for opposing King James who wanted to give Catholics freedom to practise their religion. The song mentions a crowd of 40,000 Cornishmen besieging The Tower of London demanding Trelawney's release. In fact Trelawney was tried and acquitted by the time the march had reached Bristol, a victory for the prevailing mood of anti-Catholicism.

I'm always puzzled by the line:

"We'll cross the Tamar land to land, the Severn is no stay"

Why anyone would attempt to cross the Severn on a journey from Cornwall to London is mystifying - I've always assumed that Hawker was geographically challenged!

Still, like Flower of Scotland, Trelawney is very popular at rugby matches. Never let historical facts get in the way of a good tune, I suppose.

sisemen
18th May 2013, 08:55
No, I reserve that for bigots like you.

Looked to me like the line was generic and not aimed at anyone in particular

or would that upset the rabid right little engerlanders?

Mind you it would be too much to expect a gracious back-down wouldn't it? Far too much fun can be had in perpetuating the bigotry.:yuk:

charliegolf
18th May 2013, 09:03
The Welsh can go for a leek.

We do save it up and splash it all over the green and pleasant land see, innit. Whooz coat is this jacket then?

More seriously, (well not really), might not the face veil thingy muslim women wear remind us whiteys that muslims treat women like shit? Should the council not ban them?

Really seriously, this is it is not one pig-ugly batty old **** at work here, it's a whole council. THAT is the worrying thing. If true, and remotely as reported.

CG

toffeez
18th May 2013, 09:40
I am not a bigot.

Cacophonix
18th May 2013, 09:45
I have always wondered why St George is not the patron saint of Health and Safety... I mean all the stuff he did for fire safety should surely make him top of the pyre (er I mean pile)... ;)

Caco

Edited to say that whenever I see that chilling image of OFSO I am apt to think he should have had a starring part in either The Name of the Rose or The Da Vinci Code.

toffeez
18th May 2013, 09:51
When foreigners ask me where I'm from I normally say England. Not Britain or UK.

I quite fancy being a citizen of England, if it were possible. That's why I'd encourage the N Irish to join Scotland in their great adventure.

Standard Noise
18th May 2013, 17:16
Fer dear sake lads, this is Somerset we're talking about here, the land of six toes and 'yer ma is yer da's brother'!

Blacksheep
18th May 2013, 18:44
Where is it appropriate to fly the cross of St. George? Anywhere you like in England. It's our flag. The Scots fly their Saltire, the Welsh their Dragon and it is a symptom of our decline that we are ashamed of our flag. As to the Union Flag, that should be flown from every public building from dawn to sunset, like every other national flag in the world, but we've grown too ashamed of that as well. :(

OFSO
18th May 2013, 20:08
that chilling image of OFSO

I heard that, Caco. And I know where you live. And I'll be there next week. Remember what happened to Hercules Grytpype-Thynne in series 7 episode 1 of The Goon Show, and be afrayed.....very afrayed.

Cacophonix
19th May 2013, 02:12
OFSO

I see that you are here on the 23rd... ;)

I am apt to drink with you...

No flying like men for 24 hours after that though...

Would that be appropriate...?

Caco

Victor Inox
19th May 2013, 12:24
Eleanor Jackson, who professes to be a "university lecturer", is actually a [email protected]

Muslims have no problems emigrating to countries with flags that incorporate the Christian cross, e.g. Denmark, Sweden Norway, and England etc.

Islam is not indigenous to England, so if you don't like the flag, just leave and go where the flag has your precious crescent.

It's so simple, and pseudo-academics like this Jackson broad are a menace to common sense.:mad:

belfrybat
19th May 2013, 12:39
That Jackson [email protected]'s face is a good argument in favor of the veil. Her overall body shape is a natural for the wearing of burqas.

bigfatsweatysock
19th May 2013, 13:14
Islam is not indigenous to EnglandNor is Christianity, Judaism, Buddism, Hinduism, Sikism or Jedaiism.

Pagans and druids are probably the best you can do for an indigenous religion.

G&T ice n slice
19th May 2013, 13:45
Pagans and druids

are these the ones where young maidens celebrate the summer solstice dancing "sky clad" between sunset & sunrise?

OFSO
19th May 2013, 17:28
Rather an interesting question: when did the first religions start ? When some cold shivering flea-bitten wreck of a cave dweller pulled himself out of a load of straw in a muddy hole* in the hillside after a freezing and sleepless night, saw the sun, felt the heat, and thought to himself "something that good must be a god" ?

*Or on the other hand.......

* http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu287/ROBIN_100/T2eC16dw0E9szNF2BQptGuBwrg60_1_zpsd1d36a60.jpg

Solid Rust Twotter
20th May 2013, 05:50
Or some con artist made himself a silly hat out of a cabbage and told the tribe only he could bring the sun back from its winter holiday, as long as they obeyed him and kissed his arse enough.

Blacksheep
20th May 2013, 07:06
I like the Druids. Medicine men and healers, scientists, poets, minstrels and priests all rolled into one. The Roman records suggest they weren't a bunch of fluffy dancers-round-the-stones-at solstice twits like those who gather at Stonehenge. They were appalled at their habit of eating people - especially Roman people it seems. :suspect:

ShyTorque
20th May 2013, 11:04
Please don't use any more photos of that woman as I found it offensive... :eek:

No, I'm not talking about the one of Raquel... ;)